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Serenoa 10-10-2014 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ditka41 (Post 950156)
I observed it twice just to be sure. NO vest (which could be phony anyway). She didn't even have a cart, so couldn't have been buying much. Do hope they tossed her and the dog out. I did not say anything to her personally because who knows what somebody that goofy is packing.

Would be good for the new management to become acquainted with oddities to be encountered here in The Villages and do the right thing for the organization. I will discuss it directly with the manager Thursday and contact HQ if the response is not correct.

Oh good grief. When we finally move to TV I sure hope I have better ways than this to occupy my time. How exactly did a lady carrying a small dog through a store adversely affect you?

gomoho 10-10-2014 05:21 PM

Oh Serenoa - I suggest you take cover immediately.

Wandatime 10-10-2014 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Serenoa (Post 951056)
Oh good grief. When we finally move to TV I sure hope I have better ways than this to occupy my time. How exactly did a lady carrying a small dog through a store adversely affect you?

You will, and probably will have a lot more fun too.

champion6 10-10-2014 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 949717)
<snip> One of the employees told me another one was going to be built 4 miles or so up the road on 44.<snip>

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Originally Posted by champion6 (Post 949811)
If "4 miles or so up the road on 44" means "about 4 miles east," that is the area where Morse and 44 will intersect. Could there be another shopping area planned near the Morse & 44 intersection?

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Originally Posted by Phanatic Luvr (Post 950224)
<snip>I saw one of the managers that used to be a Colony and struck up a conversation. He told me there was another new Publix being built around Morse and 44. Said it will be open in 6 months.<snip>

I drove by the Morse & 44 intersection today. There is definitely commercial space being developed there. The shells for one or two stores are already up. I didn't see signs identifying any stores by name, but maybe another Publix is on the horizon.

champion6 10-10-2014 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by champion6 (Post 951100)
I drove by the Morse & 44 intersection today. There is definitely commercial space being developed there. The shells for one or two stores are already up. I didn't see signs identifying any stores by name, but maybe another Publix is on the horizon.

Stop the presses ... I just looked at the 2014 $5 map. What I saw under construction is probably the Rohan Regional Rec Center. Time will tell.

SouthOfTheBorder 10-10-2014 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by champion6 (Post 951124)
Stop the presses ... I just looked at the 2014 $5 map. What I saw under construction is probably the Rohan Regional Rec Center. Time will tell.


We have a bingo! Rohan RRC construction is well under way. :agree:

Oak Hammock Plaza is scheduled to be constructed east of Rohan RRC. IF it contains a grocery store, Publix could be the the tenant.

Don

Barefoot 10-10-2014 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ditka41 (Post 950156)
I observed it twice just to be sure. NO vest (which could be phony anyway). She didn't even have a cart, so couldn't have been buying much. Do hope they tossed her and the dog out. I did not say anything to her personally because who knows what somebody that goofy is packing.

Would be good for the new management to become acquainted with oddities to be encountered here in The Villages and do the right thing for the organization. I will discuss it directly with the manager Thursday and contact HQ if the response is not correct.

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Originally Posted by Serenoa (Post 951056)
Oh good grief. When we finally move to TV I sure hope I have better ways than this to occupy my time. How exactly did a lady carrying a small dog through a store adversely affect you?

You are a breath of fresh air. :ho:

KeepingItReal 10-11-2014 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 950267)
Unfortunately, that would be illegal. Service dogs and so -called "comfort" dogs must be allowed by law, and you may NOT ask what service the critters provide. This is spelled out in the ADA.


Publix is a great store but there is a lot of incorrect information about them having to allow certain dogs inside being presented as law when it is not, this explains it very well..

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...tuOsgcQB1kY0lg

Emotional Support Animals (ESA), Therapy Dogs & Rights
POSTED BY SPLINTERFL

Emotional Support Animals(ESA)


Are Emotional Support Animals (ESAs) the same as Service Dogs (SDs)?

No, Emotional Support Animals (ESAs) are not the same as Service Dogs (SDs).


ESAs are Therapeutic Pets, usually prescribed by a therapist or psychiatrist or doctor, that help the disabled with emotional difficulties or with loneliness. They may include cats and birds.



Under the US Federal Laws, Emotional Support Animals (ESAs) cannot go into no-pets-allowed places, BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED to live in “no-pet” housing and in the cabins of airplanes when accompanied by a note from their handler’s doctor.


ESA Info for Landlords
Although not trained to do work or tasks, ESAs can be greatly beneficial to their owners just by their comforting presence, company, companionship and love.
Dogs used for emotional support, that are not task-trained, are called
emotional support animals. They are not service dogs.
“The Department is proposing new regulatory text in § 35.104 to formalize its position on emotional support or comfort animals, which is that
‘‘[a]nimals whose sole function is to provide emotional support, comfort, therapy, companionship, therapeutic benefits, or promote emotional wellbeing are not service animals.’’
The Department wishes to underscore that the exclusion of emotional support animals from ADA coverage does not mean that persons with psychiatric, cognitive, or mental disabilities cannot use service animals. The Department proposes specific regulatory text in § 35.104 to make this clear: ‘‘[t]he term service animal includes individually trained animals that do work or perform tasks for the benefit of individuals with disabilities, including psychiatric, cognitive, and mental disabilities.’’ This language simply clarifies the Department’s longstanding position.”


Revised ADA Regulations Implementing Title II and Title III

Can an Emotional Support Animal go in public areas, restaurants, stores, etc?

Usually NO. It can go where pets are allowed to go. Most restaurants and businesses are off-limits to pets, so are also off-limits to ESA’s. Some hotels like, Motel 6 and La Quinta are pet friendly. The only special rights that the ESA handler has is that it can LIVE in “no-pet” housing and travel in the cabin of an aircraft.

Other than theses two extra rights, it is just a common pet.

Isn’t an ESA a Service Dog, and protected under the ADA, so it can go anywere a service dog can go?
NO. An ESA has no rights under the ADA and does NOT have public access rights in “no-pets” areas.

2010 The ADA now defines a service animal as:Service animal means any dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual, or other mental disability. Other species of animals, whether wild or domestic, trained or untrained, are not service animals for the purposes of this definition.The work or tasks performed by a service animal must be directly related to the handlerīs disability. Examples of work or tasks include, but are not limited to, assisting individuals who are blind or have low vision with navigation and other tasks, alerting individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing to the presence of people or sounds, providing non-violent protection or rescue work, pulling a wheelchair, assisting an individual during a seizure, alerting individuals to the presence of allergens, retrieving items such as medicine or the telephone, providing physical support and assistance with balance and stability to individuals with mobility disabilities, and helping persons with psychiatric and neurological disabilities by preventing or interrupting impulsive or destructive behaviors.
The crime deterrent effects of an animalīs presence and the provision of emotional support, well-being, comfort, or companionship do not constitute work or tasks for the purposes of this definition.


Service Dogs have thousands of hours of documented training, ESA’s however have little, if any, training and behave much like pets in public. It is a crime, felony fraud, to claim your pet, or ESA, as a Service Dog with ADA rights.
If you are interested in getting your ESA dog certified through SDFL, click here.




Therapy Dogs

Are Therapy Dogs (TDs) the same as Emotional Support Animals (ESAs) or ADA Service Dogs (SDs)?

No, Therapy Dogs (or therapy animals) are not Service Dogs nor are they Emotional Support Animals. TDs are anyone’s pets that have been trained to behave properly in a wide variety of environments and who are exceptionally gentle and well-mannered with a wide variety of human beings. Their “job” is to bring a higher level of social functioning to people in nursing homes, schools, hospitals, hospices, etc.

They cannot go into no-pets-allowed places unless they are invited.

A therapy dog is an individual’s pet which has been trained, tested, certified and insured to work in hospital, nursing home, school, and other institutional settings. The therapy dog and their handler visit to cheer patients, to educate the community, to counter grief and stress, and generally be good canine ambassadors within the community. Many therapy dog partners are volunteers. Therapy dogs are not service dogs.

Under U.S. law, persons with therapy dogs are NOT granted the right to enter businesses with their dogs which do not permit pets. They do not get to fly in the cabins of aircraft because they are therapy dogs, nor do they get to live in “no pets” housing because they are therapy dogs.

If you are interested in getting your dog certified, click here for Therapy Dog International.

For landlords and others who may still be confused about ESA’s and Therapy dogs.

Emotional Support Animals (ESA) and Therapy Dogs (TD) are different, be sure you use the proper title. Many confuse the two, they are two different animals, and different laws that apply to them. Neither of them are ADA Service Dogs (SD).

The Therapy Dog is a working animal, owned by a NON-DISABLED person. When working it VISITS hospitals, schools and nursing homes to brighten the spirits of the people it visits.

It has no ADA RIGHTS and the FHA rules do not apply to it.

An ESA (Emotional Support Animal) is an animal owned by a DISABLED person. An ESA is a therapeutic pet, but has special rights under the FHA to allow them to live in “no pet” housing, and rights under the Air Carriers Act so that it can go in the cabin of an aircraft. As it is a PET you will have to stay in a pet friendly hotel. It however does not have any ADA protections like Title I (Work place), Title II (Transport) or Title III (Public Access in businesses).

So your ESA can not go to work with you (unless invited) or go shopping in Walmart or other businesses that ban pets.

The requirement to have an ESA are: Be legally disabled under the FHA or State law and/or a letter from your doctor prescibing an ESA for your mental well being.
REF: Guide for Landlords about ESA’s
If you are disabled and have a pet that assists you in the home, do not call it a ‘Therapy Dog’.


Why is it so bad if pets pretend to be service dogs?

Simple, the rights of the disabled are being infringed. Just as pretending to be a Law Enforcement Officer infringes the rights of the police. Both are viewed the same way. It’s a Felony in many states to do either. There are laws in place to punish such people with fines, prison terms, and/or loss of future benefits (such as Medicare, Social Security Benefits, Food Stamps, etc.). Do you really want to risk your Social Security later, so you can bring a pet with you in public?


karostay 10-11-2014 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 948547)
Regardless of what Public would build, posters on TOTV will find fault. They wanted another store now they got one.....................but

:bowdown: Exactly

dotti105 10-11-2014 09:13 AM

We love the new Publix! Clean, close by, good selection and good customer service! Happy to never go through the "Crazy Colony Congestion" again.

Rumor has it that a new Publix is also planned for the corner of Morse and 44. Smart. Very smart!!

Oh, and we realize that crazy, entitled pet owners are likely to show up anywhere. That's a given in TV. Goes with the territory. Just ignore them.

shelljoe7169 10-11-2014 10:57 AM

Some ppl will love it and some will be negative about it. Same as your opinion about the villages. Change your zip code. We appreciate being in this one'

shcisamax 10-11-2014 11:19 AM

Although it is further from our home than the Colony Publix, we went yesterday and what a difference! Oh my gosh...We could actually get through the aisles without bumping into people. The lines for check out were....well there were no lines! There were open checkout counters. What a complete joy. It definitely took less time to shop and get home than it would have at the Colony Publix.

ditka41 10-11-2014 02:59 PM

Publix is a great store but there is a lot of incorrect information about them having to allow certain dogs inside being presented as law when it is not, this explains it very well..

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...tuOsgcQB1kY0lg

Emotional Support Animals (ESA), Therapy Dogs & Rights
POSTED BY SPLINTERFL

Emotional Support Animals(ESA)


Are Emotional Support Animals (ESAs) the same as Service Dogs (SDs)?

No, Emotional Support Animals (ESAs) are not the same as Service Dogs (SDs).


ESAs are Therapeutic Pets, usually prescribed by a therapist or psychiatrist or doctor, that help the disabled with emotional difficulties or with loneliness. They may include cats and birds.



Under the US Federal Laws, Emotional Support Animals (ESAs) cannot go into no-pets-allowed places, BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED to live in “no-pet” housing and in the cabins of airplanes when accompanied by a note from their handler’s doctor.


ESA Info for Landlords
Although not trained to do work or tasks, ESAs can be greatly beneficial to their owners just by their comforting presence, company, companionship and love.
Dogs used for emotional support, that are not task-trained, are called
emotional support animals. They are not service dogs.
“The Department is proposing new regulatory text in § 35.104 to formalize its position on emotional support or comfort animals, which is that
‘‘[a]nimals whose sole function is to provide emotional support, comfort, therapy, companionship, therapeutic benefits, or promote emotional wellbeing are not service animals.’’
The Department wishes to underscore that the exclusion of emotional support animals from ADA coverage does not mean that persons with psychiatric, cognitive, or mental disabilities cannot use service animals. The Department proposes specific regulatory text in § 35.104 to make this clear: ‘‘[t]he term service animal includes individually trained animals that do work or perform tasks for the benefit of individuals with disabilities, including psychiatric, cognitive, and mental disabilities.’’ This language simply clarifies the Department’s longstanding position.”


Revised ADA Regulations Implementing Title II and Title III

Can an Emotional Support Animal go in public areas, restaurants, stores, etc?

Usually NO. It can go where pets are allowed to go. Most restaurants and businesses are off-limits to pets, so are also off-limits to ESA’s. Some hotels like, Motel 6 and La Quinta are pet friendly. The only special rights that the ESA handler has is that it can LIVE in “no-pet” housing and travel in the cabin of an aircraft.

Other than theses two extra rights, it is just a common pet.

Isn’t an ESA a Service Dog, and protected under the ADA, so it can go anywere a service dog can go?
NO. An ESA has no rights under the ADA and does NOT have public access rights in “no-pets” areas.

2010 The ADA now defines a service animal as:Service animal means any dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual, or other mental disability. Other species of animals, whether wild or domestic, trained or untrained, are not service animals for the purposes of this definition.The work or tasks performed by a service animal must be directly related to the handlerīs disability. Examples of work or tasks include, but are not limited to, assisting individuals who are blind or have low vision with navigation and other tasks, alerting individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing to the presence of people or sounds, providing non-violent protection or rescue work, pulling a wheelchair, assisting an individual during a seizure, alerting individuals to the presence of allergens, retrieving items such as medicine or the telephone, providing physical support and assistance with balance and stability to individuals with mobility disabilities, and helping persons with psychiatric and neurological disabilities by preventing or interrupting impulsive or destructive behaviors.
The crime deterrent effects of an animalīs presence and the provision of emotional support, well-being, comfort, or companionship do not constitute work or tasks for the purposes of this definition.


Service Dogs have thousands of hours of documented training, ESA’s however have little, if any, training and behave much like pets in public. It is a crime, felony fraud, to claim your pet, or ESA, as a Service Dog with ADA rights.
If you are interested in getting your ESA dog certified through SDFL, click here.




Therapy Dogs

Are Therapy Dogs (TDs) the same as Emotional Support Animals (ESAs) or ADA Service Dogs (SDs)?

No, Therapy Dogs (or therapy animals) are not Service Dogs nor are they Emotional Support Animals. TDs are anyone’s pets that have been trained to behave properly in a wide variety of environments and who are exceptionally gentle and well-mannered with a wide variety of human beings. Their “job” is to bring a higher level of social functioning to people in nursing homes, schools, hospitals, hospices, etc.

They cannot go into no-pets-allowed places unless they are invited.

A therapy dog is an individual’s pet which has been trained, tested, certified and insured to work in hospital, nursing home, school, and other institutional settings. The therapy dog and their handler visit to cheer patients, to educate the community, to counter grief and stress, and generally be good canine ambassadors within the community. Many therapy dog partners are volunteers. Therapy dogs are not service dogs.

Under U.S. law, persons with therapy dogs are NOT granted the right to enter businesses with their dogs which do not permit pets. They do not get to fly in the cabins of aircraft because they are therapy dogs, nor do they get to live in “no pets” housing because they are therapy dogs.

If you are interested in getting your dog certified, click here for Therapy Dog International.

For landlords and others who may still be confused about ESA’s and Therapy dogs.

Emotional Support Animals (ESA) and Therapy Dogs (TD) are different, be sure you use the proper title. Many confuse the two, they are two different animals, and different laws that apply to them. Neither of them are ADA Service Dogs (SD).

The Therapy Dog is a working animal, owned by a NON-DISABLED person. When working it VISITS hospitals, schools and nursing homes to brighten the spirits of the people it visits.

It has no ADA RIGHTS and the FHA rules do not apply to it.

An ESA (Emotional Support Animal) is an animal owned by a DISABLED person. An ESA is a therapeutic pet, but has special rights under the FHA to allow them to live in “no pet” housing, and rights under the Air Carriers Act so that it can go in the cabin of an aircraft. As it is a PET you will have to stay in a pet friendly hotel. It however does not have any ADA protections like Title I (Work place), Title II (Transport) or Title III (Public Access in businesses).

So your ESA can not go to work with you (unless invited) or go shopping in Walmart or other businesses that ban pets.

The requirement to have an ESA are: Be legally disabled under the FHA or State law and/or a letter from your doctor prescibing an ESA for your mental well being.
REF: Guide for Landlords about ESA’s
If you are disabled and have a pet that assists you in the home, do not call it a ‘Therapy Dog’.


Why is it so bad if pets pretend to be service dogs?

Simple, the rights of the disabled are being infringed. Just as pretending to be a Law Enforcement Officer infringes the rights of the police. Both are viewed the same way. It’s a Felony in many states to do either. There are laws in place to punish such people with fines, prison terms, and/or loss of future benefits (such as Medicare, Social Security Benefits, Food Stamps, etc.). Do you really want to risk your Social Security later, so you can bring a pet with you in public?



__________________
KeepingItReal correctly states the law on dogs and where they do and don't belong. Those who don't understand it, should review the post. It is really quite clear and exists for obvious reasons --(to most people).

cquick 10-11-2014 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dotti105 (Post 951328)
We love the new Publix! Clean, close by, good selection and good customer service! Happy to never go through the "Crazy Colony Congestion" again.

Rumor has it that a new Publix is also planned for the corner of Morse and 44. Smart. Very smart!!

Oh, and we realize that crazy, entitled pet owners are likely to show up anywhere. That's a given in TV. Goes with the territory. Just ignore them.

never had any trouble at Colony myself. no Crazy Colony Congestion for me

CFrance 10-11-2014 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cquick (Post 951493)
never had any trouble at Colony myself. no Crazy Colony Congestion for me

We sure have! Won't go there during the winter season.


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