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army one 09-12-2011 05:28 PM
Sorry TH, I disagree
 
In this case I must disagree with you TH. The rules were in place when people purchased here. If you can't abide by the rules that were in place when you purchased then you should move. Reminds me of a housing development being built in a farming community then the new development residents complaining about the smells and dust etc. associated with farming. Rules are in place for a reason and because of these rules and others like it is the major reason I purchased here. Sorry I can't agree with you on this one but to change this rule to appease the few is not what the majority wants or paid for.

red tail 09-12-2011 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 393595)
Courts all across the land are ruling that local ordinances or prohibitions against political campaign signs or campaigning in general are unconstitutional. They've ruled that the American political process is the purest form of freedom of speech. The principal is that office seekers have a limited window in which to tell voters what they stand for and that local restrictions have a chilling effect on our representative form of government.

Think about it, no yard signs, no billboards, no television ads, no radio ads. How will we know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are? The voter cop-out is "they're all bad guys." We know that's not true. No door to door, no contact with the office seeker, how will we know who to vote for? How will we know who represents our own personal philosophies and morals and who doesn't?

In countries where there is no political process, there are dictators and ayatollahs running things.

Be careful about revelling too much in the fact that The Villages doesn't allow office seekers to contact the voters. Which do you want to do away with first, yard signs? Television commercials? Radio ads? Billboards? Bumper Stickers? Newspaper Ads? When was the last time you went to a town meeting to hear the candidates speak?

I've noticed that the developer has no problem bringing candidates inside the Villages boundries. You try it and see what happens.

Outlaw too many of our freedoms and we may end up with something that we didn't bargain for. I personally can put up with it for 90 days every two or four years. I feel it's my investment in our country.
if inane ads and signs are important to you and you feel important then make sure you live where they are allowed. im here because i dont want them !

Posh 08 09-12-2011 06:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 393595)
Courts all across the land are ruling that local ordinances or prohibitions against political campaign signs or campaigning in general are unconstitutional. They've ruled that the American political process is the purest form of freedom of speech. The principal is that office seekers have a limited window in which to tell voters what they stand for and that local restrictions have a chilling effect on our representative form of government.

Think about it, no yard signs, no billboards, no television ads, no radio ads. How will we know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are? The voter cop-out is "they're all bad guys." We know that's not true. No door to door, no contact with the office seeker, how will we know who to vote for? How will we know who represents our own personal philosophies and morals and who doesn't?

In countries where there is no political process, there are dictators and ayatollahs running things.

Be careful about revelling too much in the fact that The Villages doesn't allow office seekers to contact the voters. Which do you want to do away with first, yard signs? Television commercials? Radio ads? Billboards? Bumper Stickers? Newspaper Ads? When was the last time you went to a town meeting to hear the candidates speak?

I've noticed that the developer has no problem bringing candidates inside the Villages boundries. You try it and see what happens.

Outlaw too many of our freedoms and we may end up with something that we didn't bargain for. I personally can put up with it for 90 days every two or four years. I feel it's my investment in our country.
I don't think it is political but just a restriction like cars in the yard.

Talk Host 09-12-2011 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by red tail (Post 393598)
if inane ads and signs are important to you and you feel important then make sure you live where they are allowed. im here because i dont want them !
What's more important to me than your distain for our political process is that our men and women are fighting, being wounded and are dying, not only to protect our political process but also to allow other countries the opportunity to have this precious freedom.

If they are so objectionable to you, I suggest that it should be you who moves to a country where they are not allowed. I see that you don't even like my right to post my opinion because it differs from yours. Do you see a pattern developing here?

CaliforniaGirl 09-12-2011 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 393595)
Think about it, no yard signs, no billboards, no television ads, no radio ads. How will we know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are?
Unfortunately, we don't know who the good guys and the bad guys are based on advertising. We just know who has the most money to spend on advertising. And, generally speaking, the more money to spend, the more "favors" they are going to owe if elected. Which is why we get "bridges to nowhere", and why Medicare will approve $70,000/yr nursing home care for someone who doesn't need full-time care but will not approve $8,000/yr for a part-time home health care worker. Until lobbyists are outlawed and we have serious campaign contribution reform, when election time comes we get to choose between the very corrupt and the not-quite-so corrupt. Unfortunately, the not-yet-corrupt generally doesn't have the funds to make it past the primaries.

angiefox10 09-12-2011 06:32 PM
Getting my fix
 
I was thinking that when I feel the need to see campaign signs... I can go to Ocala! :1rotfl::1rotfl:

red tail 09-12-2011 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 393613)
What's more important to me than your distain for our political process is that our men and women are fighting, being wounded and are dying, not only to protect our political process but also to allow other countries the opportunity to have this precious freedom.

If they are so objectionable to you, I suggest that it should be you who moves to a country where they are not allowed. I see that you don't even like my right to post my opinion because it differs from yours. Do you see a pattern developing here?
just because i dont agree with you i should move???? i never did like your opinions.!

Uptown Girl 09-12-2011 07:01 PM
[QUOTE=CaliforniaGirl;393615]Unfortunately, we don't know who the good guys and the bad guys are based on advertising. We just know who has the most money to spend on advertising.

My sentiments exactly.

Talk Host 09-12-2011 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by red tail (Post 393621)
just because i dont agree with you i should move???? i never did like your opinions.!
I see now. You are not only annoyed by the American political system, you are also annoyed by those who defend it. Hmmmmmm!

villagegolfer 09-12-2011 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 393635)
I see now. You are not only annoyed by the American political system, you are also annoyed by those who defend it. Hmmmmmm!
What do our brave soldiers have to do with restrictions that are in place before you buy your house?
AS a veteran I do not like someone using them as some pawn for your argument. . You can do it because of our free country.

Bogie Shooter 09-12-2011 08:09 PM
The tone of this thread is beginning to sound like the political forum. No?

villagegolfer 09-12-2011 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 393661)
The tone of this thread is beginning to sound like the political forum. No?
Yes it is and I am sorry that I took Talk Host's bait.

villagegolfer 09-12-2011 08:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 393613)
What's more important to me than your distain for our political process is that our men and women are fighting, being wounded and are dying, not only to protect our political process but also to allow other countries the opportunity to have this precious freedom.

If they are so objectionable to you, I suggest that it should be you who moves to a country where they are not allowed. I see that you don't even like my right to post my opinion because it differs from yours. Do you see a pattern developing here?
Political process, huh?

Posh 08 09-12-2011 08:17 PM
It's about trashin up the place, take your politics to the ballot box or send in your letter to the editor. IMHO sign restriction is not violating peoples rights. :spoken:

BobKat1 09-12-2011 08:55 PM
The phrase, Tempest In A Teapot, comes to mind.

How big of an issue/concern is this? If it were a big deal to a sizeable number of residents and perspective residents wouldn't we have heard about it before now and wouldn't there be all sorts of outcry etc.?

Interesting to note that the OP hasn't weighed in since posting his/her concern.

ilovetv 09-12-2011 09:36 PM
"Homeowner, condo associations: different situation

Although cities and other government entities are constrained by the First Amendment in regulating political yard signs, there is no similar restraint imposed on private homeowner and condominium associations.

Cities are considered state actors subject to the provisions of the U.S. Constitution. Homeowner associations are private parties that do not qualify as state actors. The First Amendment generally protects people only from government interference with speech.

For example, a Pennsylvania state court ruled in Midlake on Big Boulder Lake, Condominium Association v. Cappuccio (1996) that a condominium association did not violate the First Amendment by removing political yard signs in accordance with a section of the association’s declaration of rules prohibiting the posting of signs at individual units. The court reasoned that there was no state action, because the association was a private party...."

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.com/...pic=yard_signs

Chi-Town 09-12-2011 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 393613)
What's more important to me than your distain for our political process is that our men and women are fighting, being wounded and are dying, not only to protect our political process but also to allow other countries the opportunity to have this precious freedom.

If they are so objectionable to you, I suggest that it should be you who moves to a country where they are not allowed. I see that you don't even like my right to post my opinion because it differs from yours. Do you see a pattern developing here?
Wow,I remember this line of reasoning back in the Viet Nam war era. Here's the flashback... 'America, love it or leave it'.

nitehawk 09-13-2011 07:05 AM
just wondering if the talk host (founder) has left the villages - i thought i read this in a prior post - maybe - too much noise -
'the villages', love it or leave it'.

tainsley 09-13-2011 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by CaliforniaGirl (Post 393615)
Unfortunately, we don't know who the good guys and the bad guys are based on advertising. We just know who has the most money to spend on advertising. And, generally speaking, the more money to spend, the more "favors" they are going to owe if elected. Which is why we get "bridges to nowhere", and why Medicare will approve $70,000/yr nursing home care for someone who doesn't need full-time care but will not approve $8,000/yr for a part-time home health care worker. Until lobbyists are outlawed and we have serious campaign contribution reform, when election time comes we get to choose between the very corrupt and the not-quite-so corrupt. Unfortunately, the not-yet-corrupt generally doesn't have the funds to make it past the primaries.
:agree: Well said...get rid of the lobbyists. Our so called representatives are supposed to represent we the people! I never pay attention to political ads, signs, buttons, etc. they don't sway me but I really don't like to see them littering neighborhoods, streets, etc. (I have beautiful yard art that I will have to keep in my backyard...but that is ok with me!) I chose to move to TV because I love the lifestyle, the beauty of it, and the wonderful, happy people I have met both here on TOTV and while I was visiting! If there are rules to follow so be it. :)

LivingLarge 09-13-2011 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 393595)
I personally can put up with it for 90 days every two or four years. I feel it's my investment in our country.
When is it ever 90 days? More like 8-10 months in a prez year.

tpop1 09-13-2011 11:04 AM
My guess is ....
 
I would venture a bet that every rule here in The Villages upsets someone at sometime.

Reading this web site one can find many rule that they wish were not in effect….Golf Cart Speed limits, dog issues, etc.

One of the things a democracy is supposed to insure is “All for the common good!”

Here in T.V I have not been surprised by any restrictions; not surprised because I would never buy a home without thoroughly reviewing and understanding the restrictions and feeling that I could live with them.

By the tone of the majority of the replies, and isn’t “majority “ the hallmark of democracy, it’s clear that political signs are not desirous here.

Someone mentioned “freedom of speech” …. last I heard there are some restrictions in a democracy on “freedom of speech” ; restrictions which are in place “for the common good.”

2BNTV 09-13-2011 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 392440)
I think Specteron was just being a mite surprised.

This place has rules pretty much like the place we lived in before. It really is VERY nice once you acclimate to the change.

I read all of Specterons posts and she is a nice person.
Gracie:

Very perceptive and to the heart of the matter. Always the "sage". :)

GeorgeT 09-13-2011 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 393613)
What's more important to me than your distain for our political process is that our men and women are fighting, being wounded and are dying, not only to protect our political process but also to allow other countries the opportunity to have this precious freedom.

If they are so objectionable to you, I suggest that it should be you who moves to a country where they are not allowed. I see that you don't even like my right to post my opinion because it differs from yours. Do you see a pattern developing here?
No one said to move to another country just to a place where trash on the lawn is acceptable. I don't need a sign to make a decision.

And I think that is is in very, very poor taste that you dragged our military into this discussion. What are you trying to prove?

BigLew 09-13-2011 04:52 PM
I'm sorry but in addition to being grammatically unsound
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 393613)
What's more important to me than your distain for our political process is that our men and women are fighting, being wounded and are dying, not only to protect our political process but also to allow other countries the opportunity to have this precious freedom.

If they are so objectionable to you, I suggest that it should be you who moves to a country where they are not allowed. I see that you don't even like my right to post my opinion because it differs from yours. Do you see a pattern developing here?
these statements are politically absurd. no DISDAIN was shown for our political process, lawn signs are not part of our political process. Lawn signs are just a point of contention in every neighborhood in which they appear. You agreed to the restrictions of your own FREE WILL, live with it. Oh and the 'if you don't like it move business' , really? is that how the 'process' works? it seems to me that your own statements are very unamerican. Enough said.

hedoman 09-14-2011 05:07 AM
Great! I don't need anymore political infighting in the neighborhood over who's who. Nobody drives past my house anyway.....

tainsley 09-14-2011 05:21 AM
Ha...I will do a drive by just as soon as I get back!:)

graciegirl 09-14-2011 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tainsley (Post 394196)
Ha...I will do a drive by just as soon as I get back!:)
Tainsley. Your are funny and sweet.

I cannot wait to meet you.

tainsley 09-14-2011 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 394199)
Tainsley. Your are funny and sweet.

I cannot wait to meet you.
Good morning! I am looking forward to meeting you too! We will be down the end of October for a visit (if my home sells here, for good!). Have a fabulous day!:)


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