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cquick 11-24-2013 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 785900)
I think that problems occur when cars enter the round-a-bout at 6:00 go into the left lane, and intend to go straight through and exit at 12:00. A car enters the round-a-bot at 3:00 at approximately the same time stays in the right lane and intends to go straight through and exit at 9:00. The car in the right hand lane will be cutting across the bow of the car in the left hand lane. You have to watch out for this. Both drivers are following the rules, but there could be an issue if the car in the left hand lane isn't paying attention.

This little diagram is nice, but it doesn't address cars entering at close to the same time from different points. It only shows two cars entering from 6:00.

If you are already in the roundabout, the person at 3:00 is supposed to yield to you, so there would be no problem

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 11-24-2013 11:41 AM

Also, look at the diagram posted by Indydealmaker. You can, in fact change lanes in a round-a-bout. That's why there are dashed lines in some areas.

I think that most of the problems occur when people are exiting the round-a-bouts from the left hand lane, which is perfectly legal and in fact the proper procedure in some cases. It might actually be better if the law was that you can only exit from the right hand lane and if you're in the left, you need to change lanes before you exit.

billethkid 11-24-2013 11:47 AM

one just needs to remember that in TV there is a significant part of the population that DOES NOT:

>stop for stop signs
>does not obey the rules of the road in round-a-bouts
>does not do the speed limit
>does not repair ball marks on the greens
>does not (and will not) play ready golf

MAny blame it on the age of the population. I disagree; I don't remember getting less polite or less attentive or less obeying the law than I did 20 years ago.

I do agree some of these things are affected by age. I also believe there are far too many (senior seniors) behind the wheel that should not be.

The biggest culprit in the pile? ATTITUDE!!

Add them all up and there is only one answer.....get there and do it first (just kidding).......

Ave your breath and DRIVE DEFENSIVELY!!!

btk

Eve2278 11-24-2013 12:10 PM

Dotted lines are the issue...
 
The signage going North/ South is clearly marked for roundabouts.

This is not rocket science but certainly agree the dotted lines is what has everyone confused and crossing over

THINK ahead before you get to a circle and simply remember:

Right lane...go straight or exit to right

Left lane....go straight or around circle ...end of story!

NEVER EVER CROSS OVER IN CIRCLE....stay in your lane

CONFUSION is the dotted lines!

Dotted lines applies only to cars ENTERING into circle FROM the side subdivisions.

(Seriously if there were solid lines in a circle, people from the side would think, "well how am I suppose to go around the circle")

Dotted lines apply only for them

The white line is advising the cars coming from the SIDE they are allowed to cross over the circle to go around the circle., therefore a "dotted line"

gomoho 11-24-2013 12:29 PM

IMHO - if only everyone would properly yield the problem would be solved. Woulda, shoulda, coulda.

THE NEWCOMER 11-24-2013 12:38 PM

[QUOTE=Indydealmaker;785861]https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...oundabout1.jpgI think that it might be less confusing for the newbies on the roundabouts to quit thinking in terms of right turn and left turns. Just learn which lane you are supposed to be in to go the direction you choose. Logically, all turns from the circle are "right" turns. The exits are one through four. Regardless of which direction you enter from, your first exit is YOUR number one, the two, etc. The signs posted at the approach to each roundabout are very clear.

Also, no lane changes should occur once you are in the roundabout. You are either inside our outside.

Never enter a roundabout beside another car. Stagger your entry so that you are not T-boned. Also the speed limit of 20 is absolutely necessary. It is not an arbitrary speed.[/QUOTE

According to Lt. Wolfe, (Sumter County Sheriff's Department) a person making a LEFT TURN should use the VISTORS GATE ONLY! No lane changes should occur once you are in the roundabout and that includes changing lanes to go into the RESIDENT GATE! STUDY THE DIAGRAM, a person making a left turn is going into the VISTORS GATE which is always on the left side entering the gate. There is no lane change shown going into the RESIDENTS GATE.

Eve2278 11-24-2013 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 786180)
Also, look at the diagram posted by Indydealmaker. You can, in fact change lanes in a round-a-bout. That's why there are dashed lines in some areas.

I think that most of the problems occur when people are exiting the round-a-bouts from the left hand lane, which is perfectly legal and in fact the proper procedure in some cases. It might actually be better if the law was that you can only exit from the right hand lane and if you're in the left, you need to change lanes before you exit.

Sorry have to disagree. That is exactly what is happening now...and how is that working out for everyone.

Never change lanes in a roundabout.

The dotted or dashed lines apply to the cars exiting from the side subdivisions...

think about it, why would you be in the left lane wanting to go right,

why would you get in the right lane if you were going to go left.

Roundabouts keep traffic flowing by staying in the correct lane..

Dotted/dashed lines have nothing to do with cars already in the circle..

Having said that...we made the same assumption as you posted when we first came to TV...

however..Common Sense prevailed...when we understood the signage...
haven't had a problem since...

Eve2278 11-24-2013 12:50 PM

[quote=THE NEWCOMER;786224]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 785861)
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...oundabout1.jpgI think that it might be less confusing for the newbies on the roundabouts to quit thinking in terms of right turn and left turns. Just learn which lane you are supposed to be in to go the direction you choose. Logically, all turns from the circle are "right" turns. The exits are one through four. Regardless of which direction you enter from, your first exit is YOUR number one, the two, etc. The signs posted at the approach to each roundabout are very clear.

Also, no lane changes should occur once you are in the roundabout. You are either inside our outside.

Never enter a roundabout beside another car. Stagger your entry so that you are not T-boned. Also the speed limit of 20 is absolutely necessary. It is not an arbitrary speed.[/QUOTE

According to Lt. Wolfe, (Sumter County Sheriff's Department) a person making a LEFT TURN should use the VISTORS GATE ONLY! No lane changes should occur once you are in the roundabout and that includes changing lanes to go into the RESIDENT GATE! STUDY THE DIAGRAM, a person making a left turn is going into the VISTORS GATE which is always on the left side entering the gate. There is no lane change shown going into the RESIDENTS GATE.

AGREE you are correct...and do think before you get to the roundabout in which direction your going..

murray607 11-24-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Biker Dog (Post 786037)
Turn signals people....always use your turn signals...PLEASE!!!!!!:swear:

And remember to signal before you make your turn, not while you are making your turn as it is too late then.

It is amazing the number of people that only signal while they are actually making their turn and I have even seen those that turn on the signal light after they have completed their turn. I wonder why?

Matzy 11-24-2013 01:40 PM

If everybody would use the little stick at the left side of the steering wheel, the blinker, more often it would make all much easier.. not just in a round-about. As Europeans have to use it, if you want to go out, means leaving the round-about use the right blinker, if you are on the left lane stay you have to circle until no other car from back (right side) can hit you, give signal (again: blinker to the right) and get out. Actually, it is pretty easy.

ajbrown 11-24-2013 03:17 PM

This is new to me...
 
This AM, our neighbor and good friend was approaching a roundabout on her bike. She saw a car slowing down like they were going to exit, but they did not. Next, they moved to the left lane, so she assumed they missed exit and were going around again. They did not, but instead banged a U-turn and went the wrong way in the roundabout back to the exit it missed ....

I try not to post on roundabout threads, but come on....you must admit this is a new one :shocked:

Since I am already posting on the thread... why not share my opinion on roundabouts?
Much better for traffic flow and I feel much safer in them then a signal light....

jblum315 11-24-2013 04:11 PM

Probably not a new one, just new for you. I agree that roundabouts are safer and better traffic flow - we just have to be alert for drivers that don't follow the rules!

pqrstar 11-24-2013 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 785900)
I think that problems occur when cars enter the round-a-bout at 6:00 go into the left lane, and intend to go straight through and exit at 12:00. A car enters the round-a-bot at 3:00 at approximately the same time stays in the right lane and intends to go straight through and exit at 9:00. The car in the right hand lane will be cutting across the bow of the car in the left hand lane. You have to watch out for this. Both drivers are following the rules, but there could be an issue if the car in the left hand lane isn't paying attention.

This little diagram is nice, but it doesn't address cars entering at close to the same time from different points. It only shows two cars entering from 6:00.

All cars entering a traffic circle are supposed to yield to BOTH LANES of traffic within the traffic circle.

Bogie Shooter 06-11-2014 09:08 AM

Even more about roundabouts.

njbchbum 06-11-2014 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 891303)
Even more about roundabouts.

But it is more old stuff! :(

sailor47 06-11-2014 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 785783)
slow down let the right lane driver enter the roundabout first and leave that driver ahead of you. Then if they do something stupid you will not get whacked.

Bogie...That is the way to do it. I have always done that and saved my car more than once.

Otherwise you would be right but in some cases dead right. Not really dead but a messed up car for sure.

Bogie Shooter 06-11-2014 10:20 AM

Glad posters are posting to these old threads............not!

CFrance 06-11-2014 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 786185)
one just needs to remember that in TV there is a significant part of the population that DOES NOT:

>stop for stop signs
>does not obey the rules of the road in round-a-bouts
>does not do the speed limit
>does not repair ball marks on the greens
>does not (and will not) play ready golf

MAny blame it on the age of the population. I disagree; I don't remember getting less polite or less attentive or less obeying the law than I did 20 years ago.

I do agree some of these things are affected by age. I also believe there are far too many (senior seniors) behind the wheel that should not be.

The biggest culprit in the pile? ATTITUDE!!

Add them all up and there is only one answer.....get there and do it first (just kidding).......

Ave your breath and DRIVE DEFENSIVELY!!!

btk

Hear, hear.

drdodge 06-11-2014 10:46 AM

same way in Boston

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-11-2014 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilovetv (Post 785917)
I've had the o.p.'s scenario happen several times while going north on Buena Vista, in the area of Rainey Trail and Belvedere circles and it is dangerous. What differs from Dr. Winston O Boogie's scenario quoted is this:

While I entered at 6:00 into the inner (left) lane intending to go straight and exit at 12:00, another car entered at 6:00 (not 3:00) and slightly behind me, then sped around in the right lane... and as I was exiting at 12:00, they got slightly ahead of me and cut across to the left to exit at 9:00, nearly swiping my front passenger side bumper or t-boning my passenger side. Fortunately I was on the lookout and held back as they zoomed to the left in front of me.

That is what the o.p. is talking about: turning left from the right lane....translating to: they should not have entered the circle in the right lane at 6:00 with intentions of exiting the circle on the left at 9:00. (Should have entered in the left lane at 6:00.

Mike in Post #6 understood it that way, too, I'm pretty sure.

The car on your right was clearly in the wrong. If he entered at 6:00 and want to exit at 9:00 or back at 6:00 he should have been in the left hand lane. You can avoid most accidents by expecting people to do the wrong thing, but if there was a collision in this case, the other person would have been totally at fault.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-11-2014 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pqrstar (Post 786460)
All cars entering a traffic circle are supposed to yield to BOTH LANES of traffic within the traffic circle.

In my scenario, there were no cars in the circle. Two cars entered at the same time from different points. If a car is on your right and you intend to exit the round about, then you better make sure that it is safe to do so.

cquick 06-11-2014 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrubjay (Post 785774)
I hit a lady Thursday on Moris near 466. I was in the left lane going stright through and she was in the right lane going stright then moved over in my lane.
What a mess she made of the left side of her car.

Sounds like SHE hit you, you were in the "straight" lane, she crossed over and hit you.

cquick 06-11-2014 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 891317)
But it is more old stuff! :(

yes, this IS all "old stuff" to those of us who have been living here for a while, but we are always getting new people moving here to TV, so perhaps it's not old to them.

Miles42 06-11-2014 02:06 PM

I am guessing common sense is not a resident requirement.

Bonanza 06-11-2014 02:18 PM

All of the comments are good and well meaning, even the ones that contradict each other. And speaking of contradictions, the biggest one, perhaps is the large green sign at each circle and the lines that are painted on the street.

The dotted lines painted on the road belie what the green sign is telling you. Anywhere in the u. S., a dotted line means that you can pass -- that it's legal to do so. That clearly is NOT what the sign indicates!


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