Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 891313)

I just find it very silly that the same people post over and over their opinion(?) on roundabouts.
Give it up!

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 891332)

What is the value in posting over and over (50+ times) that the roundabouts should be one lane. Does anyone really believe that one dime will be spent on tearing up the streets and making them one lane?

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 891332)

What is the value in posting over and over (50+ times) that the roundabouts should be one lane. Does anyone really believe that one dime will be spent on tearing up the streets and making them one lane?

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 891334)

Well, they got the dogs out of the postal centers, didn't they? They got a wall removed, didn't they?

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 891323)

Maybe we're there at different times. I go through at "rush hour" in the a.m. and two more times during the day. I see at least one a week, sometimes two. More than I see at 466A and BV and 466A Morse, combined, although the ones there tend to be more noticeable.

However, full disclosure: my husband disagrees with me.:boxing2:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 891313)

I just find it very silly that the same people post over and over their opinion(?) on roundabouts.
Give it up!

Originally Posted by ajbrown (Post 891355)

If I may be so brazen, I find it very silly that the same people post over and over their opinion(?) on what other people should enjoy posting.....:duck:

PS. I apologize for an off topic post

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 891447)

Is it now over?

Originally Posted by Skybo (Post 891185)

Fewer accidents than what? How many accidents have you seen or heard about in roundabouts here? And of any roundabout accidents you know of (if any) how many have been serious? There have been many, many serious accidents caused by red light runners at lighted intersections on Buena Vista, Morse, 466 & 466A. And the traffic backups that would be caused by lights or stop signs all the way up Morse and Buena Vista would be crazy



What "never ending problems"? Large volumes of traffic have been successfully maneuvering through the roundabouts in The Villages for years, with very few incidents. I feel totally comfortable in roundabouts, as does everyone I know who have been here for awhile and are half-decent drivers. You're right about one thing, traffic lights are safe unless someone runs them...which happens much more frequently, and with much more serious results than the occasional fender bender in a roundabout.

The traffic engineers got it right.

And for all of the folks out there who are thinking about moving here, and might be worrying about roundabouts...don't worry. They work, and once you get the hang of them, they are easy and efficient.

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 891447)

Is it now over?

Originally Posted by SantaClaus (Post 891237)

We used to have a plain stop sign intersection at the end of our road, which teed into a more heavily travelled road. It would sometimes back up 20 cars deep because someone was trying to make a left and just couldn't get a break. They have since replaced it with a roundabout and traffic never backs up and I can't remember the last time I even had to come to a full stop before entering.my biggest problem is the folks who completely ignore the 15mph signs and barrel through at 35-40! But even with such dolts the roundabout is better since accidents are prone to be glancing blows instead of right angle impacts.

The best multi-lane roundabouts I've seen are at Hilton Head, they keep the right turn traffic completely isolated:
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...chmentid=36749

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 891250)

That is the way some helpful person on this forum taught me to think of roundabouts several years ago when we first came, and I have noticed the broken lines allowing you to cross over the outside lane to get to the gate. It IS an intersection, and if people would think of it as one, they would find themselves in the correct lane, yielding to everyone, not just the person in the lane they want to be in, and not using so much sign language.

I still think they're a dumb idea.

Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 891519)

Originally Posted by SantaClaus (Post 891526)

I guess the "'Nuff said" was meant to close the conversation, but I wanted to add that though Hilton Head is a bigger circle than the typical one at TV, the basic idea, segregating right turn traffic, works well in even smaller circles. The last picture is another Raleigh circle, that works like Hilton Head, but in a much smaller space than at TV. It looks confusing overhead, but it's quite easy at ground level. I really think the circles at TV could be vastly improved with new stripping (and maybe a tiny bit of new asphalt). I think the general idea that the inner lane has the option to exit while the outer lane has the option not to is a serious design flaw. Attachment 43239Attachment 43240Attachment 43241

Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 891514)

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist (Post 891706)

Cyndy,
I'm learning as much as I can. There is abundant research yet to tap nationally. Haven't had time to talk to the sumter co. dept of transportation, who I hope will know more than anyone, and of especial interest, the ambiguous, and weird significance of dotted lines that don't universally mean the driver may cross at will.

If something needs to change with roundabouts, let's back it up with data. So far, all research I find, even internationally, granted it's highly technical and contains formulas I don't understand, but the data supports roundabouts as a safer option than stops and highly recommended option.

but something is missing when there are numerous accidents here, no one agrees on rules, deputies throw up their hands, the regulations to not change lanes conflict with the resident lane designation...I'm not done, Bogie.

Originally Posted by LndLocked (Post 891835)

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Originally Posted by kittygilchrist (Post 891849)

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 891783)

I'm not sure I understand what the problem is. Are there really thousands of accidents at these roundabouts? I've never seen one. is traffic back up on a regular basis? I don't think I've come to a roundabout where there was more than one or two cars waiting to enter.
Sometimes I think that when people are retired and have too much time on their hands they sit around and imagine problems that don't exist.
I agree with Kitty. Let's get some hard data on the number and frequency of accidents. It would be nice to have a study done to show whether or not the roundabouts are clogging up streets and slowing down traffic.
Frankly I don't see either of these, but if you're interested go and see how these kinds of studies can be done.

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist (Post 891967)

Gimme data, Dr. B, which exits do you use that are in effect a 270 degree turn?
Asking because you have no problem doing it and don't see accidents. Let's compare with the infamous St. James.

ps no time today to chase down answers to previous ???s

Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 890699)

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist (Post 891967)

Gimme data, Dr. B, which exits do you use that are in effect a 270 degree turn?
Asking because you have no problem doing it and don't see accidents. Let's compare with the infamous St. James.

ps no time today to chase down answers to previous ???s

Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 891979)

Years ago I traveled to New Jersey and was confronted with one of these intersections (Round about). I thought they were dangerous then and I still believe they are dangerous. Today all of them that I saw in New Jersey no longer exists. They are standard intersections.

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 891974)

I see these accidents every single week at St. James gate. Every. single. week. You must live north of 466

Somewhat unrelated question: Why is there a traffic light at Bailey Trail and St. Charles, two busy streets, instead of a roundabout? I go past there four times a week, all year long. There's never a backup. The backup occurs at BT & BV with people trying to get into that roundabout.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 891981)

At least once a week and usually twice I exit Morse onto either O'Dell or Stillwater Trail. Every time, I enter enter the roundabout, going southbound, in the left hand lane and I move into the right hand lane as I'm exiting or just after I exit. I've never had a problem. I do have to watch for cars entering from northbound Morse and of course I am always aware of any cars in the roundabout on my right.

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 891974)

Somewhat unrelated question: Why is there a traffic light at Bailey Trail and St. Charles, two busy streets, instead of a roundabout?

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 891974)

I see these accidents every single week at St. James gate. Every. single. week. You must live north of 466

Somewhat unrelated question: Why is there a traffic light at Bailey Trail and St. Charles, two busy streets, instead of a roundabout? I go past there four times a week, all year long. There's never a backup. The backup occurs at BT & BV with people trying to get into that roundabout.

Originally Posted by George Bieniaszek (Post 890714)

The easiest fix would be to make the roundabouts one lane only. Traffic should have no issues during the non-snowbird season when The Villages is not at full capacity.

I do understand that they were designed as two lanes due to the traffic volumes.

I do understand your concern and my wife and I had many discussions when we come back "on campus". We drive 466A to BV Blvd north and take the ST. James gate to enter The Villages. We legally go into the inner or left lane and 3/4ths around change over into the Residents gate. Lots of times, due to traffic and yielding to some cars that don't know or are a bit more aggressive, we just stay in the left lane and go thru the Visitor gate.

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist (Post 892136)

Question for those who have witness accidents or aftermath, does this describe the focal point of most accidents? A mix up between incoming traffic to the roundabout and a resident attempting to exit the roundabout into the resident lane?

Lots of residents have posted that they get into the resident lane while (not after) exiting the circle, and some say they think they are allowed to change lanes there because there is a dotted line.

Neither of those practices is in keeping with the guidelines of the official TV brochure (which is based on federal highway administration research)...

Originally Posted by mikeod (Post 892149)

To me, the bulk of the problems are due to two mistakes. One, people not entering the RAB in the proper lane for their destination leaving it. The signs are clear as to which lane to use. The second is people failing to yield to ALL traffic to their left already in the RAB no matter which lane they occupy. If these two errors did not occur, there would be no problems exiting into either lane at the gates.