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CFrance 02-15-2017 01:22 AM

And don't take a baton to the dog park. Be nice, then be direct, then call whoever's in charge.

rustyp 02-15-2017 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by hulahips (Post 1360098)
We recently moved to a new neighborhood, on a nature preserve for the quiet and nature. We have only one lanai behind us and don't want to make enemies with new neighbors but don't know what to do. It's 10:20 pm and all night and Still now they are loud, laughing and carrying on. It doesn't end. We will speak to them politelly and ask them to keep it down however I have a feeling it won't matter to them. They know they have new neighbors and don't seem to care. Other neighbors across the street mentioned to us the couple who lived here Prior go us had a problem with them. Why can't people be considerate of others. We love it here except for this situation. Help??


This situation is called kissing lanai's. Many a homeowner has sold and purchased another house due to their lack of research with the first home purchase. Only one way to solve this - get the checkbook out.

fred53 02-15-2017 06:56 AM

The suggestions of going over, inviting them over, etc. can often be a bad idea as the police explained to me. Let the police do their job. As to them finding out....I am sure there are others who hear the noise as it's not like your house would block it from going past. If you live with it it will just raise your anger to levels that will want to make you move. You can't be a good neighbor if you have lousy ones. And you can NOT please everyone.

Nip it in the bud.

Barefoot 02-15-2017 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Retiring (Post 1360383)
Always try honey before vinegar.

:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by fred53 (Post 1360583)
The suggestions of going over, inviting them over, etc. can often be a bad idea as the police explained to me.

:confused: Why would the Police discourage a polite approach?

TheDude 02-15-2017 12:27 PM

Don't know if this helps.

3 Ways to Deal With a Noisy Neighbour - wikiHow

Basically if it bothers you so much, take notes, video tape, get everything down for proof. Do remember that the villages is unique as it is a retirement DisneyWorld. Its a place of happiness. Remember once you make it official as a complaint you will NEVER be able to do anything wrong or you may get reported.

Another thing personally I didn't like is to bring up they are lesbians. I'm Catholic and don't agree with the lifestyle (but that isn't for here), but labeling them isn't a reason they are loud to you. Straight people are loud too. Dogs and birds are loud. You don't have to agree with their lifestyle, but it doesn't mean they aren't a good person.

What if they are deaf? What if they are serial killers looking for a set up? What if you did something to them and they are pushing your buttons. maybe they just retired a year ago after working in the mean world of 12 hour days with 4 hour travel, every day, and they are showing their wild side.

Take preventive measures first, if it doesn't work, act, see if there are mediators in the villages.

I don't know, I just wanted to rant for a moment.

graciegirl 02-15-2017 12:32 PM

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graciegirl 02-15-2017 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fred53 (Post 1360583)
The suggestions of going over, inviting them over, etc. can often be a bad idea as the police explained to me. Let the police do their job. As to them finding out....I am sure there are others who hear the noise as it's not like your house would block it from going past. If you live with it it will just raise your anger to levels that will want to make you move. You can't be a good neighbor if you have lousy ones. And you can NOT please everyone.

Nip it in the bud.

HUH? I so disagree. You may get what you set out to get...quiet. But you may get more. The best defense for our security here in The Villages are people around you looking out for you. It is possible that these folks might be selfish, but that is not as likely as their being nice if approached with diplomacy and respect and true kindness.

You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

John_W 02-15-2017 02:27 PM

If I had a situation like that, in fact I live in a CYV and never hear my neighbors unless I step out into my lanai. However, if you're hearing neighbors while inside your house, I would close my sliding glass doors and turn on the ceiling fans if you're hot. Second I would put a radio on my lanai, turn it on and put it at the same volume as the neighbors noise. Go back inside and watch TV or whatever else you do. The next night, go outside and see if they are still making noise, if they are, in which case turn the radio slightly louder. Continue this until they have closed their sliding doors and the noise has gone away.

Bonnevie 02-15-2017 02:45 PM

maybe the previous owners tried the retaliatory approach and they just got their backs up and didn't cooperate. it's a whole new day. figure out what you'd like.....quiet after 9pm, 10pm on most nights (remember you may want to entertain and may go beyond that time too) letting you know when they are having a group over so you're prepared? and you do the same? try being a little self deprecating...."we old folks need our sleep" keep it light. then invite them to dinner. should you have to do this? no. but you can only control your actions and by allowing them to amend their ways will probably be more successful than forcing them. who knows, you may become fast friends.

permanentvacation 02-15-2017 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1360843)
If I had a situation like that, in fact I live in a CYV and never hear my neighbors unless I step out into my lanai. However, if you're hearing neighbors while inside your house, I would close my sliding glass doors and turn on the ceiling fans if you're hot. Second I would put a radio on my lanai, turn it on and put it at the same volume as the neighbors noise. Go back inside and watch TV or whatever else you do. The next night, go outside and see if they are still making noise, if they are, in which case turn the radio slightly louder. Continue this until they have closed their sliding doors and the noise has gone away.


Yes do you have any Metallica CD's?:evil6:

John_W 02-15-2017 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by permanentvacation (Post 1360867)
Yes do you have any Metallica CD's?:evil6:

Yes, I have the 'Black Album'. They might even start dancing to 'Enter Sandman'.

Barefoot 02-15-2017 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1360858)
maybe the previous owners tried the retaliatory approach and they just got their backs up and didn't cooperate. it's a whole new day. figure out what you'd like.....quiet after 9pm, 10pm on most nights (remember you may want to entertain and may go beyond that time too) letting you know when they are having a group over so you're prepared? and you do the same? try being a little self deprecating...."we old folks need our sleep" keep it light. then invite them to dinner. should you have to do this? no. but you can only control your actions and by allowing them to amend their ways will probably be more successful than forcing them. who knows, you may become fast friends.

Very sage advice.

lafoto 02-15-2017 09:58 PM

Personally I am amazed that you even asked for advise. Treat them like you want to be treated! Golden rule!
Go talk to them, make friends and then slowly introduce the subject. Work it out like adults.
ps mentioning their sexual preference is appalling.

Fraugoofy 02-15-2017 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hulahips (Post 1360187)
No it's to the right of us and yes behind us. Only one. They sit up higher which makes it worse for us as noise carries. They live here full time and we always believe in inviting the neighbors over too as to keep all happy however they are a bunch of gay women. No we have No problem with that as long as your considerate we don't care. I imagine we need to speak to them first out of courtesy but honestly my gut tells me they won't care at all. Any advice, appreciated??

I am not sure how their sexuality has anything at all to do with their noise level, but I would absolutely speak with them face to face in a very positive manner. Maybe you will get invited to one of their parties and become life-long friends. I would love to have neighbors who stay awake past 9pm as I am a night owl and don't go to bed until well after midnight. Being kind and respectful has no gender. P.S. I prefer Ozzy over Metallica any day and love "Crazy train"...

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Yung Dum 02-15-2017 11:51 PM

I find it quite disturbing to see how many people would call the police as the first resort on a matter they know so little about. Is this "racket" an every night thing? Does it always go on til the wee hours of 10:20? I'm sure this can be resolved without making yourselves miserable for years to come. It's not a perfect world, and calling the police surely will not make it so.

Barefoot 02-16-2017 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by lafoto (Post 1361028)
Personally I am amazed that you even asked for advise. Treat them like you want to be treated! Golden rule!
Go talk to them, make friends and then slowly introduce the subject. Work it out like adults.
P.S. Mentioning their sexual preference is appalling.

I wish this had been my response, it's a good one! :thumbup:

TheDude 02-17-2017 11:10 PM

Ozzy Osbourne & Dweezil Zappa - Staying Alive (Tribute To Bee Gees) - YouTube

thelegges 02-18-2017 08:45 AM

It's been 5 days since the gathering, so not a nightly issue. For us once in awhile party does not upset us. We have over 20 people over couple times a month, as do others in our neighborhood, no one gets up set about noise, did have one neighbor ask when are they going to be invited to swim in the pool. Now that's odd request from a just met while out walking our street.

jalopy54 02-18-2017 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Retiring (Post 1360383)
I add my vote to inviting them over for coffee rather than calling police. This serves you well on many levels. First, you get to know your neighbor. Second, you may find they are oblivious to the noise they are making and will cut it back immediately. Third, it is possible you learn they really don’t care what you think. Fourth, if “third” is the case, you will not feel bad calling the police.

Always try honey before vinegar.

Glad I don't have this problem with my neighbors.

RickeyD 02-18-2017 07:44 PM

We have quiet neighbors all around us, but since sound travels through the "ally" (backyards?) behind us we find ourselves whispering in our lanai just to keep our conversation between us and the dog. We're having our lanai enclosed with glass sliders next Friday. :doggie:

xcaligirl 02-20-2017 04:26 AM

We have a noisy neighbor that rents same time every year, from what I've been told. Not acceptable when the noise goes past a certain hour. Love the response from Fred53...great advice. Thank you

banjobob 02-20-2017 06:37 AM

I would probably ask in a friendly way and if no response I would ask again in a friendly way and if no response I would get the loudest speakers I could find and aim at their lanai and play all night long and let the war begin.

ColdNoMore 02-20-2017 07:26 AM

While I agree with those that say it is better to try and talk to the neighbor before involving the authorities, I also recognize that some people aren't as comfortable talking to their neighbors face-to-face (not a problem with me :D)...and taking the chance of a confrontation.

A possible solution to that, might be to send them a letter anonymously.

You could nicely state something along the lines of... "you may not be aware of it, but there are times when you and your guests voices carry a long distance and can be heard from several homes over." "We're not sure if your closer neighbors have complained, but we thought it was the friendly thing to do to make you aware of it."

While this may not fool the neighbors and they may still know that it came from you, there might be enough doubt that you can keep the peace when you see them in person.

Just a thought, before you have to take more formal actions. :shrug:

Dunner99 02-20-2017 09:56 AM

What I would do if it were me is this:

1. I would go over and introduce myself. Make small talk about how you love the new area and all the great things about living here and the Villages in general. You folks seem like you enjoy it here too(I hear you laughing) and you seem like you like to have fun. It always nice to have good neighbors. We were wondering if you would like to come over for a barbeque? If they agree pick a date right then.

2. I would then invite them plus some of the surrounding neighbors over for drinks and whatever food wise (couple weeks later).

3. For MOST PEOPLE they might be more considerate if they are somewhat friends (I use that word loosely).

4. I always say that you can't expect someone to change their behavior if you haven't told them how you want them to change it(even if they should know without being told)---sooo if you still don't see an improvement you will feel more comfortable gently letting them know that with their patio being up higher their voices really carry etc.

5. If that doesn't work and they are just rude people that really don't have any consideration for you, you have been a good neighbor and gone about everything in a respectful way so then you can follow the other suggestions.

That is how I would handle it. To me I would rather have them friends vs. enemies.(if possible) and if you just call and complain they will know it is you because you are new to the neighborhood----and you didn't even give them a chance to correct the problem.

rustyp 02-20-2017 10:44 AM

And if by some chance all this tip toeing works out for you SURPRISE ! The average new Villager moves 2 -3 times. You will get to start the process all over again. So ask yourself who should move first ? Worse yet what if they decide to rent their home when they buy a new one - new neighbors all the time. Kissing lanai's - Kiss of death.

The Mountaineer 02-20-2017 12:14 PM

As Judge Judy says, "Memorialize it." Video or audio the disturbance as proof so that you have something to show to authorities. Civility on your part is important,, even when the neighbor are not civil. That helps your cause. Good luck.

Barefoot 02-20-2017 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hulahips (Post 1360098)
We recently moved to a new neighborhood, on a nature preserve for the quiet and nature.

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1363077)
Kissing lanai's - Kiss of death.

I don't think this is a Kissing Lanai situation, perhaps it is.
I find it confusing that the OP backs on a nature preserve, yet has a lanai behind her. :confused:
Perhaps it's the property to the right or left of the OP's home, in which case I'd hire landscapers to plant a tall hedge.

justjim 02-20-2017 03:46 PM

First be a friend
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1360255)
It all depends if you want to live in peace or in chaos and always feel uncomfortable. I say take your time, be kind and nice, get to know them and sooner or later the subject will come up and then it can be resolved. A confrontation is not the way.. nor is calling the authorities.

Gracie, as usual a wise and well thought out reply to the problem,

Judith Ann 02-20-2017 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1360255)
It all depends if you want to live in peace or in chaos and always feel uncomfortable. I say take your time, be kind and nice, get to know them and sooner or later the subject will come up and then it can be resolved. A confrontation is not the way.. nor is calling the authorities.

As usual, I am with you, Gracie! Personally, I enjoy hearing people having fun and especially laughing. I love it when we
are going about, and I see people enjoying their lanais and patios. Too often they are just not used. We back up to Bailey Trail. I enjoy the vehicles, people, dogs, etc. going by. If we close our patio door and windows you hardly hear anything.
Perhaps just closing windows and doors would make all the
difference in the world.

GypsyBuddy 02-20-2017 04:36 PM

Back in Virginia years ago we had a college graduation party for my son. Some people were outdoors on the deck. No one on our street heard any noise and didn't even know we were out there. However a person across the pond called police who came knocking on our door. We brought everyone inside of course, but that's when we discovered that sound travels far better over water than across land. If you back up to a preserve, it might be that you hear them more because of being around water. Even so, you need to call the sheriff to bring it to their attention. Especially when it's after 10 PM.

Dunner99 02-20-2017 07:43 PM

I like Cold No More suggestion also.

After reading through these posts I had to snicker when I read comments like --making noise to all hours of the night--just after 10---sorry I found that funny--do you remember when we were just going out at that time? How things have changed!! Not trying to minimize your peace and quiet being disturbed just thinking I guess I am old-P.J's sometimes after dinner-ha!

OhioBuckeye 02-21-2017 09:16 AM

OhioBuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by hulahips (Post 1360098)
We recently moved to a new neighborhood, on a nature preserve for the quiet and nature. We have only one lanai behind us and don't want to make enemies with new neighbors but don't know what to do. It's 10:20 pm and all night and Still now they are loud, laughing and carrying on. It doesn't end. We will speak to them politelly and ask them to keep it down however I have a feeling it won't matter to them. They know they have new neighbors and don't seem to care. Other neighbors across the street mentioned to us the couple who lived here Prior go us had a problem with them. Why can't people be considerate of others. We love it here except for this situation. Help??

I guess I can't tell you what to do in your situation. Maybe they're snowbirds & are here to party. I agree it probably won't make any difference. Everyone around me seem to go to bed around 9:00pm. Good thing because both of our lanai's are only about 20 ft. apart. Living on a Nature preserve sounds like your living pretty good to be able to pay lots of money to have that kind of view. Can't really tell you what to do other than say something to them, move into a neighborhood like mine, or just hope they get tired of partying. You probably can't really do anything other than putting a pillow over your head. Sorry, not much help here!

CindyNah1 02-22-2017 09:54 PM

I had a similar issue when I first moved. wanting to spend time in my lanai in peace and quiet. my neighbors have a tv in their lanai. I made the decision to wait, and not use my lanai until I had a relationship with the neighbors. once established they asked ME if I could hear them. I said yes, and now they are being more quiet. not quite the silence I prefer BUT also not a cold war between neighbors that some of my friends experience.

Do they have a "pattern" of using their lanai? if so, see if you can fit your desire for peace and quiet inbetwen their pattern.

try not to label it "inconsiderate" they are enjoying life in a different way than we do :)

good luck

TheDude 02-22-2017 09:59 PM

TV in the lanai seems normal as at least mine has a cable outlet and power plugs. Personally I don't, however, that is what a lanai is for. Its not a yoga mediation room.

Sorry if I am forward.

Gpsma 02-23-2017 12:13 PM

How much "peace and quiet" do people need? If you wanted such serenity you should have not moved into a development with homes so close.

Mikeod 02-23-2017 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1364478)
How much "peace and quiet" do people need? If you wanted such serenity you should have not moved into a development with homes so close.

It's a two-way street. On one hand, with homes so close together, you can't expect the quiet you may have had with large lot sizes. On the other, recognizing the proximity of the neighbors, you have to be aware of the effect your actions may have on them.

I recall when I had a home theater system installed back in CA and tried it out one night with the Top Gun movie at high volume. Got a knock on the door from the guy behind us asking for a little consideration. Got the message and we remained good neighbors.

Gpsma 02-23-2017 08:51 PM

I agree but what is casual noise to one person is anothers lack of "peace and quiet".

My brothers neighbor was out in his lanai with his step son who had just returned from Iraq. My bro wakes early and was out in his lanai at 4am and they were still talking. He said they werent loud and,although he could hear them talking, could not even make out the conversation.

The neighbor behind did nothing but complain for days because she had her bedroom window open and could hear them talking. If she simply shut the window she wouldnt have heard anything.

I believe many people are just too use to living on large properties and dont understand you will hear noises in a closely built development.

thelegges 02-24-2017 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeod (Post 1364515)
It's a two-way street. On one hand, with homes so close together, you can't expect the quiet you may have had with large lot sizes. On the other, recognizing the proximity of the neighbors, you have to be aware of the effect your actions may have on them.

I recall when I had a home theater system installed back in CA and tried it out one night with the Top Gun movie at high volume. Got a knock on the door from the guy behind us asking for a little consideration. Got the message and we remained good neighbors.

I agree as we age our hearing is well less, and find many speak louder than others. I am up before 5am sitting on my lanai, but I have a road and a pond behind me so only the ducks get mad and fly over if I am too loud. We left kissing lanai behind.

Roll With It 02-24-2017 10:22 AM

Hoping to move to the Villages in a few months. Can someone please explain to me what the difference is between a lanai and a kissing lanai? Thank you in advance.

Barefoot 02-24-2017 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Roll With It (Post 1364877)
Hoping to move to the Villages in a few months. Can someone please explain to me what the difference is between a lanai and a kissing lanai? Thank you in advance.

Unless you back on a preserve or golf course or open space, you will have a kissing lanai.
Kicknamed for obvious reasons.


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