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Mama C 10-13-2022 06:13 PM
You moved here with a card system in place--you moved here knowing that the developer has a business and a family to support.

If you don't like it, you have the option to move to another community.

Altavia 10-13-2022 06:32 PM
Fyi

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 2145839)

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As I mentioned in the initial email, in order for the District to pursue advancements in how the gates are operated (such as bar codes, proximity readers etc.) , we have to upgrade the software to support it. These are upgrades that the AAC and PWAC have requested updates on once this initial phase is complete.
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fdpaq0580 10-13-2022 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2146265)
Someone up-thread referred to that as "tailgating". I don't think so. I see plenty of cars exiting through the gates in a line of cars and the gates do not come down between cars. It's like there is no gate. I'm one of those who "tailgates" behind the car in front of me and does not let the gate come down as I exit. I would much prefer the exit gates be removed completely and let the golf carts wait until it is clear to proceed.
That may have been me. I was referring to someone tailgating on the way IN, not out. Didn't know about the red button? Didn't have a card? Just to lazy or prissy to roll down their own window? This one I could forgive, had a broken arm?

fdpaq0580 10-13-2022 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2146585)
Why so much effort to get more cards or clone cards etc. when all one has to do is push the button.

I look forward to finding out what the $270,000 upgrade accomplishes that the existing system can not handle.
Why don't we all put the cards away and just hit the button. Unless our individual movements are being traced for some reason, what function do the cards really serve??? If the button/camera is good enough security for the general public, why do residents need extra I'd/card to enter?

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-13-2022 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2146634)
Why don't we all put the cards away and just hit the button. Unless our individual movements are being traced for some reason, what function do the cards really serve??? If the button/camera is good enough security for the general public, why do residents need extra I'd/card to enter?
One possible situation where these cards come in handy:

Someone commits a crime at the Target plaza right outside the Villages on 441, and they took off in a dark grey Buick 3000. Your next door neighbor notices that YOUR Buick 3000 has been gone for three days, but you haven't been home to move it. You live in DelMar, which is - right near Target Plaza. You call community watch. They check the card history and see that SOMEONE used that card just yesterday, at the Boone gate off 441.

Well now, it's possible you've just helped the police solve TWO crimes - the theft of your car, and the license plate of the car driven by the criminal at Target Plaza - and maybe even possibly you've helped them figure out WHERE your car is now - since they went into the Historic Section - and there's really nothing there except people who live there. It's not a neighborhood that leads to anywhere else.

cromlich 10-14-2022 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by I'm Popeye! (Post 2145835)
I'm sure those that have these "gate card" illegally (landscapers, etc..) will also be upset. :coolsmiley:
They have a red button to get in......how much of our money is being spent on this? Anyone has access to getting in with the red button so why are we doing this at all? It's wrong on so many levels

cromlich 10-14-2022 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 2145836)
The response seemed logical and reasonable to me.

As far as duplicates - What prevents a resident from giving a duplicate to friends in other communities? I can understand the districts stand on duplicates.
What does it matter? All they have to do is push the red button. This is insane.

HoosierPa 10-14-2022 05:37 AM
Don’t worry. Be happy.

retiredguy123 10-14-2022 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by HoosierPa (Post 2146674)
Don’t worry. Be happy.
I think you're on the wrong thread.

HoosierPa 10-14-2022 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 2146514)
I sent this to Brittany Wilson _>

Hi Brittany,

I still have these two questions.

To give me a total picture of the costs, what are the total costs? I understand about the cost savings per year.

Do you know if the current cloned gate cards will still work?

Maybe this is much ado about nothing yet could have been avoided if better/more public information had be given out beforehand in my opinion.

I received this reply back from Brittany Wilson ->

ood morning,

The recurring annual cost for gate maintenance is $97,884. The one time cost to upgrade the system software is $270,255. These costs are split proportionately between Village Center, Sumter Landing and Developer owned gates.

The only cards that will work in the new system are those that are active in our current system when they are migrated over.

Thank you,
Brittany

then I sent ->
Hi Brittany,

When will this migration take place? Is it one gate at a time or when all gates has been migrated that the cloned cards will not work?

Rick

received from Brittany -->

Good afternoon,

This project will take approximately 24 weeks, with a six week lead time on equipment. Each gate will be converted one at a time, and we will run the two systems as the work takes place. With that said, both systems will not be operated at the same location at the same time – each gate will be on one system or the other.

my last message and waiting on a reply from staff (Brittany)->

Are you going to let the Villagers that have cloned cards and the people that are selling them know about your stopping their cards from working? And, is there a gate that I can test my cloned card on to make sure it doesn't work?

Now everyone knows as much as I do about this situation. Please note that all of the communication took place in a public domain messaging system maintained by the District.
Be careful or Brittany may block you when her boss finds out here work isn’t getting done because of all the emails with you and others

retiredguy123 10-14-2022 06:14 AM
I haven't heard a logical explanation of why a gate card has a better function than the red button and a camera.

And, if you want security, why not have a 24-hour surveillance camera at every gate? No cards or buttons needed. Just a time delay to open the gate and to prevent two vehicles from going through at the same time.

twoplanekid 10-14-2022 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by HoosierPa (Post 2146676)
Be careful or Brittany may block you when her boss finds out here work isn’t getting done because of all the emails with you and others
:icon_wink:
😊

District staff are very good people and dedicated to helping the Villages be the best place for us to live in during our remaining years. When discussing this issue with Bruce after an NSCUDD board meeting, he suggested that I contact Brittany to find the answers to my questions. If you ever attend a NSCUDD board meeting, you will discover that I do ask a lot of questions trying to be as well informed as I can be.

Even Kenny her boss is a good person.:)

Altavia 10-14-2022 06:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2146634)
Why don't we all put the cards away and just hit the button. Unless our individual movements are being traced for some reason, what function do the cards really serve??? If the button/camera is good enough security for the general public, why do residents need extra I'd/card to enter?
Interesting question.

Why the concern over the duplication of a key that opens an unlocked door?

What is your info linked to the card being used for?

Bill14564 10-14-2022 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2146688)
I haven't heard a logical explanation of why a gate card has a better function than the red button and a camera.

And, if you want security, why not have a 24-hour surveillance camera at every gate? No cards or buttons needed. Just a time delay to open the gate and to prevent two vehicles from going through at the same time.
I haven't heard or read an explanation but I've seen one in action. I watched while the driver in front of me took off their seatbelt and stepped out of the car because they weren't close enough to reach the red button. This was amusing once or twice but I fear it would become a regular occurrence if the red button was the only option.

A security camera taking photos and a delayed gate would be more convenient. I wonder what the cost would be to implement that at 200+ gates. Maybe that is one of the upgrades they are considering after the new controller boards are installed.

NoMoSno 10-14-2022 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2146688)
I haven't heard a logical explanation of why a gate card has a better function than the red button and a camera.

And, if you want security, why not have a 24-hour surveillance camera at every gate? No cards or buttons needed. Just a time delay to open the gate and to prevent two vehicles from going through at the same time.
Cameras do run 24/7 on a loop.
A common misconception is that cameras are activated by pushing the red button.
That's how they catch gate crashers that don't push the button.


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