Originally Posted by JeanC (Post 2145966)

Or……did you know the card works without even rolling your window down!!! Just pull up close enough and bam.

Originally Posted by bowlingal (Post 2145989)

FYI.....the cards work right through the closed window. No need to have it installed on your mirror. Try it!!

Originally Posted by BOB396 (Post 2146035)

If it is for traffic control, wouldn't speed bumps work just as well as gates?

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2146073)

OK, all but ONE gate in the Villages has that little red button. (and there is a good reason the one is lacking it)

Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2146176)

I guess I don’t understand why so many people don’t have the ability to open their window.

Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2146176)

I guess I don’t understand why so many people don’t have the ability to open their window.

Originally Posted by TSO/ISPF (Post 2145845)

I use the little red button when driving the cart because we have 2 gate cards for our cars. /QUOTE]

Why are you driving your cart on the street when the cart path does not need a card not gave a button?

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2145902)

I don’t see what the issue is, I am in favor of no duplication of the gate cards issued to residents. Duplicates allow non villagers to enter through the MMP gate in the historic section. Duplicates allow non residents, who don’t pay for the MMP’s, to have easier access to gate passes they have no right to. The particular gate referred to has no red button and is only opened with a gate card, as it should be. We keep one of each of our gate cards hidden in our golf carts specially so we can pass through this gate. We never use a gate card in our car, no need, just hit the red button.

Originally Posted by TrapX (Post 2146168)

I managed prox card access systems and they use old technology. It's a very simple system. The reader sends out a signal continuously, your card (or cloned card) gets powered up by that signal and transmits a very long number to reply. The reader checks that number to see if it is in the list of known good numbers, and open the gate if it is.
A cloned card reply is the exact same number as the original card it copied. If it was your card, the clone transmits your card number. It is not possible for the reader to tell the difference. If TV is not replacing cards, then every clone will continue to work.
Cloned cards (for a resident) has zero impact on the system. If they need the gate arm to open, it is still just one transaction to the system.
Cloned cards to non-residents is also not any additional impact to the system. One transaction - either the clone, or the button. Pay attention to what is being sold to us. Ask yourself why would those we trust be saying misleading things?

There are encrypted cards available. Much harder to clone. Also cost a lot more. I bought cards for about $0.10 in bulk, same ones as TV uses. Encrypted cards were about $5 last time I looked, and the readers were more expensive too. It would be over a million dollars more to change to encrypted cards. And the red buttons are still there because they are county owned roads.

Every swipe is logged - date, time, card number. Nothing prevents saving that data forever. Disk drives are cheap.

Wondering what the replacement controllers will cost us. Plus the labor to install. Annual costs too. The ongoing labor to maintain all those new cards and delete old cards from service. The ongoing cost for the computers and making backups. The ongoing cost for dedicated ethernet lines to every gate.
It will add up. My guess is $350k now, and over $1million yearly. I'm thinking this is money that isn't needing to be spent.

Make the entry gates work like the exit gates. That solution saves money now and in the future. Still slows traffic. Still looks like we are a gated place (for whatever that does).

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2145930)

The exit gates don't close between cars.

Originally Posted by Priebehouse (Post 2145935)

I guess residents have an aversion to rolling down their window and using their access card.:throwtomatoes: Really a strenuous task for sure. I have always been a proponent of using the cards. Perhaps they want to track how often actual residents use the gates. Perhaps they want to prevent "Mirror Clone" card users from approaching the gate terminals too closely or too fast just and potentially damage the equipment because they think it activated and crash through the arm (I have witnessed this three times). I think they should give some type of bonus for residents that use their valid cards for the amount of times they use it instead of pushing the button. Upgrading the technology is a good thing.

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 2146034)

About the sticker: What happens when you get a new vehicle? Wanna bet there's a charge for new stickers? With the card you get rid of the car but keep the card. And, as stated earlier, why even have a card? Automatic gates in just like automatic gates out solves the "problem".