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buggyone 05-01-2014 03:02 PM

I just re-read the original post. It is stated that the 100 pound dog ran up to a passing neighbor. Can we assume barking? The neighbor obviously is unnerved by a big, strange dog running and barking at him. I know I would be! The OP states categorically that the dog did not actually come close to the man.

He then says that man called Animal Control, Community Watch, and the CDD regarding the unleashed dog and a trailer in the driveway. Did the neighbor and the OP have a shouting match to precipitate those calls after the OP got his dog under control? The OP does not say if all 3 entities responded to those calls and, if so, how those encounters went. That is all important information.

Sounds as if tempers on both sides might have flared under the heat of the moment.

Definitely, a peace offering on the part of the OP is warranted (sincere or not) and good neighbors restored.

Indydealmaker 05-01-2014 03:30 PM

Once a "rear orifice" always a "rear orifice". The neighbors attitude has little or nothing to do with a big dog. Apology if it makes the apologist feel better, but it won't change the dynamic.

ricthemic 05-01-2014 03:42 PM

New or Preowned
 
OP has not yet replied. My guess. Preowned

kittygilchrist 05-01-2014 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 871276)
It looks like the opinion is 50/50 about apologizing. I based my opinion on the assumption that you already apologized when the incident occurred, and the neighbor didn't accept it. In which case I still think you've done enough and can just be as friendly as possible from here on out, keeping your dogs on leashes and NOT letting them stray onto anyone's lawn while walking them.

That's a big-ticket item here. Have your dogs do their business on your lawn before taking them out for walks, especially since it seems like you have landed in one of those neighborhoods whose property owners are touchy about that.

I hope things will settle down from here on out.

CF, The OP didn't say he apologized. He said the neighbor called authorities before he had a chance to apologize. You can read that either way, I took it to mean all hell broke loose and the OP holed up in the house afraid of what might happen. It's really not a scary place to live, but I'm sure it seemed like it.

Deseylou 05-01-2014 04:03 PM

OP HERE
The dog did not get too near the neighbors wife
He stopped a driveway before
We tried to apologize, but neighbor was screaming and cursing at us
The trailer issue has been taken care of.
We're both working FT and trying to move
I admit the trailer was pushed to the back burner
And we honestly didn't realize it was a problem
Thanks for all your kind words
I have been a wreck and not sleeping since this all happened

CFrance 05-01-2014 04:06 PM

Okay, kitty, thanks. Maybe OP did not have a chance to apologize, in which case an apology might be helpful.

Buggy, the only thing I can say is that we've had two goldens, dog-sat two before that, frequently, and have known a ton of them... and they are not barkers. Most likely tail was wagging, mouth was open with tongue hanging out, and dog was bounding in joy over his freedom, as opposed to zeroing in for a fight.

I'm not saying someone not familiar with goldens shouldn't be frightened. I totally understand that. I'm just saying my bet is the dog was not presenting in an aggressive manner. It's just not in their nature when interacting with humans.

It's unfortunate that the dog got out, and a good lesson to whoever (whomever?) didn't shut the door properly.

gerryann 05-01-2014 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 871462)

Buggy, the only thing I can say is that we've had two goldens, dog-sat two before that, frequently, and have known a ton of them... and they are not barkers. Most likely tail was wagging, mouth was open with tongue hanging out, and dog was bounding in joy over his freedom, as opposed to zeroing in for a fight.

So funny. My golden also rarely barked. Just wanted to be everyone's friend. Had a beautiful golden across the street from me here in TV. He got out once in a while and always galloped over to visit me......loved, loved that dog. I will admit though, if one is not a dog lover, a large dog like a golden can be intimidating.

Worthy pond 05-01-2014 04:28 PM

Shouldn't happen
 
So sorry this happened! Not the norm in the Villages...I think there are more dogs thn residents!! Move on, the majority are reasonable friendly folks...it will work out! Welcome to the Villages!

kittygilchrist 05-01-2014 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deseylou (Post 871461)
OP HERE
The dog did not get too near the neighbors wife
He stopped a driveway before
We tried to apologize, but neighbor was screaming and cursing at us
The trailer issue has been taken care of.
We're both working FT and trying to move
I admit the trailer was pushed to the back burner
And we honestly didn't realize it was a problem
Thanks for all your kind words
I have been a wreck and not sleeping since this all happened

thanks for checking in here. I once hit someone with my car. It was my fault. While I asked if she was ok, she screamed "You HIT me!!"....
I can see where she was coming from. It was not a time she could hear an apology. All her buttons were pushed and I was the person who threatened her survival. Little ol' innocent kind well-meaning me. I made a mistake and she was bent out of shape. Bottom line is I did threaten her survival.

rockyisle 05-01-2014 05:48 PM

So, for what it's worth - after reading your original post and your latest explanation... here's what I'd do. I would follow the advice of our "sages" here on TOTV. I would take this dog for a walk in the neighborhood often - waving to neighbors and saying hello. I would also stop by your neighbor's house (without the dogs) and offer a formal apology. That's really all you need to do. Put a big smile on your face - bring cookies or a box of chocolates - explain that it was a mistake and that the dogs really are friendly and sweet - that you understand that it would have been frightening to have a big dog run up without introduction. I think we all wish you luck in your new home and neighborhood. We'll hope that in the coming months you all become good friends and can laugh about this...

kittygilchrist 05-01-2014 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rockyisle (Post 871517)
So, for what it's worth - after reading your original post and your latest explanation... here's what I'd do. I would follow the advice of our "sages" here on TOTV. I would take this dog for a walk in the neighborhood often - waving to neighbors and saying hello. I would also stop by your neighbor's house (without the dogs) and offer a formal apology. That's really all you need to do. Put a big smile on your face - bring cookies or a box of chocolates - explain that it was a mistake and that the dogs really are friendly and sweet - that you understand that it would have been frightening to have a big dog run up without introduction. I think we all wish you luck in your new home and neighborhood. We'll hope that in the coming months you all become good friends and can laugh about this...

and that's really what we're all about. good synopsis.

travelguy 05-01-2014 06:50 PM

dont let it get to you. those neighbors seem like jerks. rather than act civilized and find out what went on they immediately went nuclear. be glad they were not carrying a firearm!

Maryc7878 05-01-2014 09:37 PM

You made a mistake, you apologized. You meant no harm and no harm occurred. Let it go. There are so many more wonderful people here. Ignore the bad and enjoy the good. And if you want a great place to run your Golden go to Doggie Do Run Run. It is a park off of 466, take a turn at CVS onto CR 101. Go about a mile it will be on your right. Cost $3 or $25 per month. It is about 10 acres and lots of great dogs and owners go there daily. And if you see a big black lab named Robbie, say Hi.

Bonanza 05-02-2014 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA (Post 871206)
Some people have a fear of dogs especially large dogs. May be they have gotten bit or attacked in the past. Other people look for things and people to complain about. I agree that you should at least confront your neighbor and apologize. At least you will know for sure where you stand with them.

Your neighbor's behavior was complete overkill by calling all those authorities. I can guarantee that there are others close by, who have had problems with this same person.

I would knock on their door and apologize one time, not because you actually owe them this. I agree with TNLAKEPANDA that then -- you will know exactly where you stand and will have insight into the kind of person (s?) they are.

I hate saying this, but you may have to walk on your tippy toes when you see them. Just be aware and consider the source.

kittygilchrist 05-02-2014 05:29 AM

Lots of ways to look at this..

The new neighbor: broke rules for how long to leave trailer, broke rules for dogs running loose, posted a complaint on TOTV against his community in first week living there.

The old neighbor: did not bother to go meet the neighbor moving in, reported two violations of rules.

We don't know who started what in the shouting match or the tone people took.
to date, as far as we know, neither neighbor has apologized.

This is just my perspective, mind you, and is based entirely on one side of the story: one neighbor reported to authorities for infractions of rules, the other reported said neighbor to the public as a bad neighbor...

rubicon 05-02-2014 06:01 AM

Time is a healer and I believe the OP should give her neighbor space and let nature take its course.

Having said that my reaction would have been the same in some ways but not others. I won't bore you with details but my life experiences taught me to be alert around dogs not known to me. so I would have been upset and concerned about a large dog charging at me and since I have a fear of dogs I wouldn't know if the approach by this animal was friendly or not. I do not curse and I do not shout at people. However, I would stay away from this dog owners household.

Like most people here I take extra measure to keep my property in pristine shape. I deplore seeing vehicles parked outside and I follow rules that I agreed to when I moved here.

In other words I am sensitive to the concerns of people around me and do not wish to offend in anyway.

CEWLLW 05-02-2014 03:37 PM

I am so sorry you received this kinds of welcome. Anyone unable to befriend a golden probably isn't worth being friends with. All the feedback you are receiving is correct; there are people just looking for problems. Hopefully you'll find other neighbors who will embrace you and your dogs.

Lauren Sweeny 05-02-2014 06:05 PM

There is one on every block ( even in The Villages) We have had bad experiences from un named neighbor but took the high road and basically are civil (when not ignoring) We continue to be courteous and friendly (if not down right charming ) to all the surrounding neighbors. We always walk dogs around the block,talking and waving to anyone. Contact us for dog loving new friends!

ilovetv 05-02-2014 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lauren Sweeny (Post 872028)
There is one on every block ( even in The Villages) We have had bad experiences from un named neighbor but took the high road and basically are civil (when not ignoring) We continue to be courteous and friendly (if not down right charming ) to all the surrounding neighbors. We always walk dogs around the block,talking and waving to anyone. Contact us for dog loving new friends!

No, there's not one on every block in our neighborhood and many others in TV. The o.p.'s situation is not the norm. I think that neighbor was waiting for something to pounce on and the dog was just what she'd been hoping for.

And we've only heard one side of the story as Kitty said. It does sound like the neighbor is more aggressive than the o.p.

Barefoot 05-02-2014 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist (Post 871485)
.... I once hit someone with my car. It was my fault. While I asked if she was ok, she screamed "You HIT me!!"....
I can see where she was coming from. It was not a time she could hear an apology. All her buttons were pushed and I was the person who threatened her survival. Little ol' innocent kind well-meaning me. I made a mistake and she was bent out of shape. Bottom line is I did threaten her survival.

Kitty, you never fail to amaze me with your posts.
You've had some very interesting life experiences, which you're forthcoming enough to share with us.

Lynn222 05-02-2014 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 871005)
Oh dear! So sorry you have a neighbor like that! Perhaps you should take cookies and apoliziged, though you really don't owe one.

Great suggestion!

rubicon 05-03-2014 06:05 AM

It causes one to pause to see that some people actually believe that animals and humans are equal in all ways and as such everyone just has to tolerate their misbehavior. And yet some of these same people have said on this very thread rudeness by people shouldn't be tolerated.

Logic would dictate that the animal's behavior mimics that of its owner.

coconutmama 05-03-2014 07:33 AM

A few years ago, one of our new neighbors had a Rottweiler (sp?) that got loose while I was out gardening in my yard. She is a love, but I did not know that at the time when she came bounding over to me. Being a dog owner myself, I was not panicked, but was a bit nervous because of her breed & because I had not met her yet. It was just a slice of life that ended well, but may not have...

I agree with both of Patty55's posts & also one of the others that recommended being friendly to all the neighbors with a wave. I would not bother to apologize now. It is water over the dam at this point. Just move forward showing all that you are a friendly, responsible neighbor.

Welcome to The Villages. You will love it here!

George Bieniaszek 05-03-2014 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 871005)
Oh dear! So sorry you have a neighbor like that! Perhaps you should take cookies and apoliziged, though you really don't owe one.

If the cookies and apology doesn't work, mail them a box of EXLAX!! :)

CFrance 05-03-2014 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tracy&Jeff (Post 872175)
I like Patty55's idea too, and also agree that you don't owe anymore apologies. I just moved here too, and have 'vocal' dogs when I am walking them.. I have been told by more than one person their behavior wasn't acceptable. I wish you lived close to ME.. we could take our dogs for walks together! Your big ones and my two little ones (that bark at everyone) would REALLY be the talk of the neighborhood!

People complain to you because your dogs are barking while walking? Sheesh. That's utterly ridiculous. It's not like you're parking them at the end of their driveway so they can bark incessantly.

There's a couple of doxies around the corner and down a street from us who, when they pass Crosby on his walk, go into a fear-aggressive attack frenzy. At first we would stay on our side of the street and just keep moving. After learning that they're not going to get used to him, we now take a different route. Life is too short for all this angst.

robertj1954 05-03-2014 08:14 AM

Sorry to learn about your first impression that was NOT so good. But give it some time and the over whelming majority of Village friendliness will put that memory in the distant past. Too many good things here in the Villages to allow for one negative encounter to ruin your happy retirement. Best wishes!

buggyone 05-03-2014 09:34 AM

The OP has not mentioned if Community Watch, Animal Control, or CDD responded to the calls the neighbor made and what, if anything, they said to do.

Was there any two way confrontation between the OP and the neighbor when the dog was back in control of the OP?

Just wondering - no accusations either way.

CFrance 05-03-2014 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 872283)
The OP has not mentioned if Community Watch, Animal Control, or CDD responded to the calls the neighbor made and what, if anything, they said to do.

Was there any two way confrontation between the OP and the neighbor when the dog was back in control of the OP?

Just wondering - no accusations either way.

Yes, please tell us the rest of the story. I'm particularly interested in what CW would do. I'm guessing just an admonition, like--watch your dog more carefully?

Barefoot 05-03-2014 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deseylou (Post 871002)
We've all ready had a major run- in with our down the street neighbor.
Our youngest dog, a 100 lb golden retriever saw someone new and went running to say hi. He NEVER EVER got close to her or touched her,
The neighbor called neighborhood watch, animal control and the cdc because we are still moving in and haven't moved the trailer.
I'm hearing from our direct next door neighbors that we are trouble makers and my dog actually bit her
If that had happened, he would be at animal control and she would have had to go to the ER.
I know the dogs should not have escaped, but he didn't give us a chance to apologize before he went ape crazy
I don't want to have enemies, but he has me so rattled that I'm afraid to step outside because I feel like he's spying on me

Please let the TOTV readers know how you decided to handle the situation with your irate neighbor.
We are interested and supportive.
I hope the rest of your neighbors have been welcoming,
and that you're feeling more comfortable in your new home.


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