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ton80 09-15-2025 10:34 AM

Pressure Regulator Only works on Flowing Water
 
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Originally Posted by Nova Filtration (Post 2461164)
We truly value your trust in our water filtration systems and take product concerns very seriously. We would always want to clarify the cause of any isolated canister leaking and ensure you the customer has the right guidance to keep your system running safely.

Canister leaks are not the result of faulty product but rather excessive incoming water pressure or in instances hot water expansion tanks. All filter canisters are designed and tested to withstand normal residential water pressure upto 90PSI; however, if water pressure exceeds recommended levels, it can place undue stress on the housing.

Our recommendations: We strongly advise installing a pressure regulator if your homes water pressure is higher than the recommended range (typically 40-80 PSI). This not only protects your filtration system but also helps extend the life of other plumbing fixtures in your home.

Please rest assured that our products are manufactured with high quality materials and undergo rigorous quality checks. When installed with the proper pressure regulation, they provide safe, long-lasting performance.

If you have experienced an issue, our customer support team is here to help troubleshoot and provide replacement guidance. All of our systems are under a one year warranty with an available five year warranty.

Thank you for being one of our valued 25,000+ customers and allowing us to provide you with properly filtered purified, safe water for your home.

Bob, Brad & Shane

A Pressure Regulator Only works on Flowing Water. It will not reduce pressure when the supply line has a check valve installed, the water heater is working, and the expansion tank diaphragm is not functioning correctly. You have to go back to plumbing code designs 20 to 30 years ago when there were thermal relief valves on the water lines that relieved excess pressure to the outside via the discharge lines through the walls. These were eliminated by changes in the plumbing code when expansion tanks were required. However, the problem is that expansion tanks can fail and the hot water pressure can rise to the heater safety valve setting which is 125 psig or more.
One way to minimize the pressure build up during no water usage is to shut off the water heater when you are away and or keep a few drops dripping from a faucet. This way the internal water pressure should not increase above the water supply pressure even if the expansion tank is not functioning. There is no closed volume being heated up resulting in expansion of the closed section of water which would increase the house internal water pressure.
Alternatively, the filter housing etc. must be designed to withstand the pressure equal to the water heater safety valve setting just as the water heater is designed.

retiredguy123 09-15-2025 11:35 AM

Typically, the T&P relief valve on a water heater is set to open if the water temperature exceeds 210 degrees Fahrenheit or if the pressure exceeds 150 psi. When the relief valve opens, it doesn't take much water to be expelled to reduce the pressure, maybe a cup or so. So, if you see a small amount of water in the overflow pan under the water heater, it could be that the relief valve has tripped. If the Nova canisters are only designed to handle up to 90 psi of pressure, it is very possible that a defective expansion tank can cause the canister to leak, even if you have a pressure regulator on the water supply pipe to your house. A defective expansion tank will not necessarily caused the water pressure to increase. But, what can happen is that you use all of the hot water in the tank, and then you shut off all plumbing fixtures. This causes the tank to fill up with cold water, and the water heater heats it up causing thermal expansion of the water and a huge increase in the water pressure because the water has nowhere to go. Note that older houses with one or two drippy faucets will not experience this pressure increase, or if your ice maker calls for water while the tank is heating up. Also a very high temperature setting on the water heater and a very cold water temperature will exasperate the problem.

jrref 09-15-2025 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2461177)
Typically, the T&P relief valve on a water heater is set to open if the water temperature exceeds 210 degrees Fahrenheit or if the pressure exceeds 150 psi. When the relief valve opens, it doesn't take much water to be expelled to reduce the pressure, maybe a cup or so. So, if you see a small amount of water in the overflow pan under the water heater, it could be that the relief valve has tripped. If the Nova canisters are only designed to handle up to 90 psi of pressure, it is very possible that a defective expansion tank can cause the canister to leak, even if you have a pressure regulator on the water supply pipe to your house. A defective expansion tank will not necessarily caused the water pressure to increase. But, what can happen is that you use all of the hot water in the tank, and then you shut off all plumbing fixtures. This causes the tank to fill up with cold water, and the water heater heats it up causing thermal expansion of the water and a huge increase in the water pressure because the water has nowhere to go. Note that older houses with one or two drippy faucets will not experience this pressure increase, or if your ice maker calls for water while the tank is heating up. Also a very high temperature setting on the water heater and a very cold water temperature will exasperate the problem.

And to add to this good information, when Nova came to install my system 4 years ago, before they did anything they checked my hot water expansion tank. The problem is 1) some installers never charge the expansion tank to the water inlet pressure and it fails prematurely and 2) many don't know or ever check the expansion tank. So, it's very possible many of these filter housing failures could be caused by over pressure due to expansion tank problems. But in my house, I regularly check the expansion tank and I pressurized it myself to the water inlet pressure so I know this couldn't have caused my filter housings to show signs of cracking. In addition, as mentioned, only two out of the three filter housings showed signs of cracking. Why was one OK?

polirudb 09-15-2025 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nova Filtration (Post 2461164)
We truly value your trust in our water filtration systems and take product concerns very seriously. We would always want to clarify the cause of any isolated canister leaking and ensure you the customer has the right guidance to keep your system running safely.

Canister leaks are not the result of faulty product but rather excessive incoming water pressure or in instances hot water expansion tanks. All filter canisters are designed and tested to withstand normal residential water pressure upto 90PSI; however, if water pressure exceeds recommended levels, it can place undue stress on the housing.

Our recommendations: We strongly advise installing a pressure regulator if your homes water pressure is higher than the recommended range (typically 40-80 PSI). This not only protects your filtration system but also helps extend the life of other plumbing fixtures in your home.

Please rest assured that our products are manufactured with high quality materials and undergo rigorous quality checks. When installed with the proper pressure regulation, they provide safe, long-lasting performance.

If you have experienced an issue, our customer support team is here to help troubleshoot and provide replacement guidance. All of our systems are under a one year warranty with an available five year warranty.

Thank you for being one of our valued 25,000+ customers and allowing us to provide you with properly filtered purified, safe water for your home.

Bob, Brad & Shane

Thank you for your reply.
Can you tell us how big a problem this is right now?
How many customers has this affected?
Does it happen when the cartridge reaches a certain age?
Does it matter whether you have tank or tankless heaters?
What is the replacement policy/process?

Thank you.

Mrprez 09-15-2025 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jrref (Post 2461156)
Can you explain? Is Nova replacing the cannisters with a new version of the cannister? If they are that's a good thing and should be mentioned.

I can tell you, before all this happened, I did try to replace one of my filter cannisters with one of the Big Blue ones and it wouldn't seal properly in the Nova manifold. My guess is the Nova manifold is different and will only support a specific type of cannister/housing.

Yes, the new canisters have thicker walls at the bottom where the cracks were occurring. They have also changed the manifold where the gauges connect to brass fittings rather than plastic. The new canisters also use 2 O rings rather than one.

I could have moved on to a different supplier but I trust Nova and see no reason to change.

Nana2Teddy 09-15-2025 12:06 PM

Thousands of us south of 44 have tankless water heaters so no expansion tanks. I wonder if we’re less likely to see canisters cracking eventually? Our Nova system is less than 3 years old, and so far it’s okay.

Normal 09-15-2025 12:08 PM

Hopefully they honor the change with current customers
 
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Originally Posted by Mrprez (Post 2461187)
Yes, the new canisters have thicker walls at the bottom where the cracks were occurring. They have also changed the manifold where the gauges connect to brass fittings rather than plastic. The new canisters also use 2 O rings rather than one.

Hopefully they honor the change and retrofit out the major issues with all their current customers who are stuck with junk.

So many say “Tough luck Charlie” and move on.

Mrprez 09-15-2025 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nana2Teddy (Post 2461188)
Thousands of us south of 44 have tankless water heaters so no expansion tanks. I wonder if we’re less likely to see canisters cracking eventually? Our Nova system is less than 3 years old, and so far it’s okay.

I have a tankless water heater as does my neighbor. He replaced his canisters last year. He did not upgrade. Looking at the difference in price between old and new (~$100) the decision to upgrade was a no brainer. My system was put in sometime in 2018. So, 7 years use.

Nova Filtration 09-15-2025 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by polirudb (Post 2461185)
Thank you for your reply.
Can you tell us how big a problem this is right now?
How many customers has this affected?
Does it happen when the cartridge reaches a certain age?
Does it matter whether you have tank or tankless heaters?
What is the replacement policy/process?

Thank you.

Not age related we have systems that have been in service over 12 years here in TV

I don't have an exact number of system issues it has been isolated out of 25,000+ installs

Both, more issues with tank systems due to bad expansions tanks on them (not our product)
when we do filter changes our tech's do a quick tap/sound check to tell if it full of water.
They also check for any abnormalities in the system.

The water system in TV is not pressure regulated at each home like other municipalities, they are designed with different size pipes in the street to in theory control pressure.

We have personally seen pressures over 100 =120 psi at times in different villages.

These pressure spikes also effect the rest of the plumbing in your home, the under cabinet water hoses, washing machine etc

We recommend adding a pressure regulating valve on the incoming water pipe.

Replacement policy is 100% first year and and optional 5 year extended plan

Nova Filtration 09-15-2025 03:13 PM

Out phones are temp out of order
text works 352.566.2649

or email novafilterstv@gmail.com

Kelevision 09-15-2025 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jrref (Post 2461077)
Sorry to hear about your experience with Nova. I’m sure the Pegasus will work fine but that Pegasus analysis is a scam. Unless you had something dramatically wrong with your Nova system there is no way you should have had any sediment and or chlorine in your water especially since you were changing your filters regularly. Just curious when Nova came out to look at your leak did they do anything to fix it? Did they charge you $300 just to come out and look at the problem and left it leaking? I thought they were charging $65 for a new canister?

I definitely had chlorine. Yes, I do know that the sediment is just the minerals breaking down but the water is really hard.

As for Nova. I don’t like to bash businesses and that’s not what I’m trying to do. Since I put in the system in 2021, I’ve had to call them out for leaks more than this latest time. When we decided on putting in the new system, he did some sort of temp fix for the leak just until the new system could get put in. Unfortunately, the next available appt they had was sept 30 and I’m leaving for out of state surgery on sept 25. I’d have to wait until Nov to get the new system put in so I needed to just bite the bullet and get the pagusus. It’s good Nova is obviously super busy so they won’t miss me. Lol. So yes, I guess the 283.00 was for coming out and the temp fix. No canisters were replaced and no new system. That was sort of the icing on the cake to go through with Pagusus. Reading their replies… out of the times they’ve come out to fix leaks including this time, not once did anyone question or mention water pressure.

jrref 09-15-2025 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrprez (Post 2461187)
Yes, the new canisters have thicker walls at the bottom where the cracks were occurring. They have also changed the manifold where the gauges connect to brass fittings rather than plastic. The new canisters also use 2 O rings rather than one.

I could have moved on to a different supplier but I trust Nova and see no reason to change.

OK that's very good news since that's similar to the Express Water system The only thing the Express Water has in addition to that is a metal frame to keep everything more secure. That's an added bonus but i'm sure this new Nova system will work fine.

One other thing I forgot to mention, when changing the filters on my old Nova system, when I turned the water back on I could hear the filter canisters "creaking" a little as the pressure built up. Now with the new system, the Express Water filter housings are thicker so I don't hear that.

It would be really nice if Nova would give a discount to replace an old system that is showing signs of failure.

jrref 09-15-2025 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2461228)
I definitely had chlorine. Yes, I do know that the sediment is just the minerals breaking down but the water is really hard.

As for Nova. I don’t like to bash businesses and that’s not what I’m trying to do. Since I put in the system in 2021, I’ve had to call them out for leaks more than this latest time. When we decided on putting in the new system, he did some sort of temp fix for the leak just until the new system could get put in. Unfortunately, the next available appt they had was sept 30 and I’m leaving for out of state surgery on sept 25. I’d have to wait until Nov to get the new system put in so I needed to just bite the bullet and get the pagusus. It’s good Nova is obviously super busy so they won’t miss me. Lol. So yes, I guess the 283.00 was for coming out and the temp fix. No canisters were replaced and no new system. That was sort of the icing on the cake to go through with Pagusus. Reading their replies… out of the times they’ve come out to fix leaks including this time, not once did anyone question or mention water pressure.

Now that we have all the background story, you made the right decision.

I know the Pegasus system is a good system but their sales people can be very deceptive. A year ago, a neighbor was talking to a Pegasus sales person looking to buy a system and of course they asked if any neighbors were interested. I had the Pegasus sales guy come by just to help out my neighbor. So, he takes some of my water from the tap and puts some chemicals in it and tells me I have Chlorine and my water is very hard and lots of sediment. So, I then fill a glass of water from the tap and take my pool chemical test kit out and show him there is no chlorine then I took out my water hardness kit and showed him my water had zero hardness. I then explained I had the Nova three stage filter with a forth 1 micron filter stage that I added on my own and the Nova water softener. He then packed up his stuff an left without saying a word.

Kelevision 09-15-2025 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jrref (Post 2461231)
Now that we have all the background story, you made the right decision.

I know the Pegasus system is a good system but their sales people can be very deceptive. A year ago, a neighbor was talking to a Pegasus sales person looking to buy a system and of course they asked if any neighbors were interested. I had the Pegasus sales guy come by just to help out my neighbor. So, he takes some of my water from the tap and puts some chemicals in it and tells me I have Chlorine and my water is very hard and lots of sediment. So, I then fill a glass of water from the tap and take my pool chemical test kit out and show him there is no chlorine then I took out my water hardness kit and showed him my water had zero hardness. I then explained I had the Nova three stage filter with a forth 1 micron filter stage that I added on my own and the Nova water softener. He then packed up his stuff an left without saying a word.

I didn’t have the Nova water softener. I only had that 3 blue canister whole house filter. Apples and Oranges.

Fenster 09-15-2025 05:40 PM

We can’t all be having a water pressure at the same time! Obviously there’s a defect in their canisters now. I suppose!


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