Poster #2 above is completely missing the more important point. It’s not about how the database is populated, it’s about the information contained within the database.

Consider two residents that both have a history of 200 guest passes.

Resident one’s 200 guest passes were for a total of 20 people, who each visited the villages 10 different times over the last 8 years.

Resident two’s guest passes were for 196 different people over the last 10 months.

Which one of these residents appears to be having family members and friends occasionally visit, and which resident is very obviously running a short term revolving door business out of their home? The answer is about as obvious as it gets!

If it's the boogeyman landlord that you are after, a hard limit is the only way. They will just pass the $10 to the tenant. Problem with a hard limit is when a non-landlord villager hits that limit and then simply can't have guests.

This is all a made up problem to me. None of it will reduce our amenity fee and guests, while they certainly have impact on the amenities don't impact them substantially. The vast majority of amenity cost and maintenance are fixed costs.

Why call a landlord names?
 

I disagree with your assessment. But you have a right to an opinion.

Wear and Tear is a cost and a mathematical absolute. Additional users do cost additional funds. Extra money collected can offset costs.

There is nothing wrong with charging a landlord who exploits the loopholes of an antiquated system for their own personal gain.

Most of us could care less if a landlord has to charge a higher price for their rental. All of us should care about our neighbors who have problems with the current amenity fee or costs.

radrxman
 

Owners of rental homes and winter residents actually subsidize the amenity fees for homeowners who live here year round. We pay amenity fees every month even if the home is empty. You are welcome.

Is that a denial that SOME short term rentals are a problem? Because we have heard from those living next to an "imaginary nightmare" what their lives have turned into. I can also guess that those two posts suggest a perspective from someone who runs STR's.

From my perspective, a friend or family member who stays in my home FOR FREE is a guest. Someone who is paying to stay is a RENTER. I would simply deny guest passes to any RENTER who is staying less than 30 days and end the "AirBNB nightmare."

Best to end short term rentals. One month should be the minimum rental duration. We can do this. Many communities have banned short term rentals.

Here’s a novel thought. Full time residents are not having that many guests.
As for renters, charge ALL renters a fee regardless of length of stay.
There is no reason why us full timers should be inconvenienced with so many outsiders. And we will be.

The guest pass system costs plenty, and so do the people who monitor the recreation centers and pools and check ID cards. I disagree about twenty free guest passes a year. I’d say $10 for EACH guest pass for all of us. That’s pretty much what guest passes cost Villagers through our amenities fees. I don’t mind paying $10 for a guest pass if someone comes to visit me.

It would be nice if we could also charge $5 or $10 to those without an ID card or guest pass to get into the enclosed areas where the bands play. But I know that wouldn’t work. Self-defeating.

Perhaps golf only guest passes would be free and those passes would not be able to enter rec centers, pools, wood shops etc? Or, does getting guest passes to reduce golf fees hurt the rest of us? Generate income vs generate less income.
Either way guests I would think help to stimulate our bars and Resturant economy.
Hmmm. 🤔

Guests are not allowed in sport pools

Right on. Yours is also a right. We don't have to agree and it seems like we don't here.

On this we agree. Wear and tear is a real thing. I'm just saying that it is not substantial compared to the fixed cost portion of the cost.



Definitely nothing wrong with it. My point is you aren't charging the landlord, the guest will pay it so it will do nothing (or very little) to dissuade renting and will increase the cost for your non-renting neighbors to have guests.

I've weighed in on it before. Everything I hear is about the proverbial friend that experienced some problem. I think problems should and can be handled individually. I don't see a proliferation of nightmare AirBNB rentals and parties. I see a ton of worry about them.

You can guess anything you want but if you kept score on your lifetime guesses I bet you are wrong more than you are right. My two posts simply indicate that I don't see a huge problem with guest pass use and I don't see a huge problem with rentals in The Villages. I just see a lot of worry about them. For me, the Amenity fee is what I bargained for when I bought, the increases are based on CPI. When I use facilities, I am able to use them and the others there are treating everything respectfully.

For this issue, if I had a vote, today that vote would be to leave it how it is. Others feel differently.

Music in the squares is not a Villages Amenity. It's open to the public. I *think*, but someone smarter than me can chime in, that it is paid for by the merchants and possibly subsidized through some county tourism grants.

I think a limit on guest passes per household is a great idea for mitigating short term rentals. My guess is 10 passes per year. No extras at any cost, or else it'd still be too easy to put that cost onto short term visitors.

Here's an idea, piggybacking on your comments:

The Rec dept. can sell guest passes for registered guests for $10/week, or $25/month, per person. If a pass ends up not being used, then the money is refunded. If it's used even once, no refund. And all guest passes must be presented with a photo ID, so someone can't just use someone else's guest pass to get away with free amenity use. That would need to be actively enforced. That means if some unknown people are in the pool and the ID checker person comes by, they can order those people to get out of the pool and show their ID. If they refuse, the police can be called.