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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2274959)

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Does a quite little meme count as exoneration ?

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2274957)

but he WAS convicted.............which is all my statement indicates.
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Hmmmm, guilty (aka pull strings to falsely accuse and wrongfully convict) until proven innocent is never a good thing. This is a rare instance where I agree with the Bill & Brian show and find Dewi to be totally off base. Arguing the definition and tense of the word convicted doesn’t do justice to the fact that an innocent man was dredged through hell and back.

I didn’t see this story in the Daily Sun. Did I miss it?

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2274989)

I didn’t see this story in the Daily Sun. Did I miss it?

You should see it, along with an apology for defamation of character, but don’t hold your breath.

Someone who is exonerated no longer fits into the category of "felon" - convicted or otherwise. Exoneration means a retcon. It's treated as though the charge never happened. No charge = no conviction = no felony.

Mr. Miller is not a convicted felon.

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2274991)

You should see it, along with an apology for defamation of character, but don’t hold your breath.

It was on the Daily Sun front page a few days ago.

The whole thing seemed like making a mountain out of a molehill. And with a complete disregard for equity. Like something out of a Charles Dickins' novel. Or, maybe, even Franz Kafka.

You can read DeSantis's order suspending, not removing, Miller from office justified by the Florida constitution giving him the option, not the requirement, to suspend an official with a felony indictment

DeSantis Order

The citation in the Florida Constitution is Article 4 section 7(a) you can read that section

ARTICLE 4

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a) By executive order stating the grounds and filed with the custodian of state records, the governor may suspend from office any state officer not subject to impeachment, any officer of the militia not in the active service of the United States, or any county officer, for malfeasance, misfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony, and may fill the office by appointment for the period of suspension. The suspended officer may at any time before removal be reinstated by the governor.

(b) The senate may, in proceedings prescribed by law, remove from office or reinstate the suspended official and for such purpose the senate may be convened in special session by its president or by a majority of its membership.

(c) By order of the governor any elected municipal officer indicted for crime may be suspended from office until acquitted and the office filled by appointment for the period of suspension, not to extend beyond the term, unless these powers are vested elsewhere by law or the municipal charter.

Note that very clearly the Constitution anticipates that a suspended official can be re-instated. And look at section (c) which I will repeat with BOLD

suspended from office until acquitted and the office filled by appointment for the period of suspension, not to extend beyond the term,
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Now I am not a lawyer but my reading is that Miller was suspended because he was indicted. And that once acquitted that suspension should terminate not subject to the whim of the Governor.

So next question is what is the term of Oren Miller's election. That's easy he was elected to a four year term in November 2020 and took office in Nov 2020. So Miller's term is not over. Yes, he was replaced but that seems null and void now as he is clearly by our Constitution given his seat back now that he is acquitted.

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2275004)

I looked at their website under Sumter politics. It has five articles talking about the trial and the conviction. Not a word about the appellate decision.

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2275008)

I looked at their website under Sumter politics. It has five articles talking about the trial and the conviction. Not a word about the appellate decision.

https://www.**************.com/2023/...on-overturned/

I can't find a word in the Daily Sun about Miller winning on Appeal. I searched pretty thoroughly.

I did find this and now I'm curious:

Ethics Commission: Miller didn’t properly disclose his donors | In Today's Daily Sun | The Villages Daily Sun | thevillagesdailysun.com

If I'm not mistaken (& the Sun mentions it), most if not all of funds, were raised after he was removed from his position. If he was no longer an elected official, how did his actions violate the Ethic Regulations for elected officials?

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2275010)

I could not find anything either online for both their website and what they have up on their Facebook page. Lots of old stuff though.

This is a copy of the decision reversing the conviction.

https://supremecourt.flcourts.gov/co...23-0846.pdf%0A

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2274928)

What is the hold up with getting our ELECTED commissioner back to doing the peoples’s work? Commissioner Miller was elected to do a job. We certainly don’t need the governor putting someone in none of us chose. No disrespect intended towards the two, just want democracy not communism.

https://www.**************.com/2023/...be-reinstated/

Why is it that Oren Miller was removed from office but George Santos, who seems to have done all sorts of illegal things, has not been?

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2274953)

Doesn’t overturned and exonerated mean it was determined he was wrongfully convicted and never should have been convicted?

Last I checked…