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chipd331 04-27-2020 05:49 AM

love your comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DanBrew 04-27-2020 06:39 AM

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PJackpot 04-27-2020 06:44 AM

What taxes? Property?...nope, those do not go to the state. Income?...nope, Florida has no state income tax, and none is coming. Sales and use tax?...possibly, but not likely. Stamp tax?...again, possibly. Florida has no death tax. Florida taxes on stocks and bonds was repealed in 2007. The state will more than likely have to go to the feds if they need to get bailed out. That may result in federal income tax increases, but that's the only thing I see happening, and that would probably be a minor increase. The national debt is what's going to take a big hit.

Dilligas 04-27-2020 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1754183)
What??

Please share how the state has gone about doing that in the past??

Homestead property taxes. Same in all states only a little worse here due to permanent homestead Caps the yearly mil rate increases at CPI. Florida average property tax is slightly under national average. All you have to do is move your permanent residency to Florida and part time in your old home state, and stay in Florida at least 6 months a year.

biker1 04-27-2020 07:06 AM

Not exactly. Increases in the assessed value of your homesteaded property are capped, not the millage rate.

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Originally Posted by Dilligas (Post 1754272)
Homestead property taxes. Same in all states only a little worse here due to permanent homestead Caps the yearly mil rate increases at CPI. Florida average property tax is slightly under national average. All you have to do is move your permanent residency to Florida and part time in your old home state, and stay in Florida at least 6 months a year.


kenoc7 04-27-2020 07:16 AM

Higher Taxes inevitable
 
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Originally Posted by DAN48 (Post 1754220)
Agree, higher taxes at the Federal and State level are inevitable.

And necessary. You can't have the common good, e.g., bridges that don't fall down, without taxes. The USA, and Florida in particular, live in a la-la land of extremely low and unsustainable tax levels.

J1ceasar 04-27-2020 07:17 AM

To all of you negative Nellies, I bet you didn't read the state budget when it was passed nor have you talked to your state representatives about spending levels.

Well I actually did back in January. The state has passed a budget with approximately 4.9 billion dollars has a surplus to be held in reserve. Further our Representatives on both sides of the Isles are relatively conservative when it comes to spending money. There is actually a lot of leeway when it comes to spending money such as Road reconstruction building, new projects and many other areas. I bet we'll all be surprised when things open up how fast tourism restarts and taxes are collected.

golfing eagles 04-27-2020 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DAN48 (Post 1754220)
Agree, higher taxes at the Federal and State level are inevitable.

Are they???

We didn't raise taxes on a 25 trillion dollar national debt, so why is it "inevitable" that they are raised on a 29 trillion debt?

huange@verizon.net 04-27-2020 07:53 AM

You know that CARES free monies you got? That was just pay it forward money. You’ll be giving it back in some way or another.

72lions 04-27-2020 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by simrek (Post 1753888)
With the virus demanding social distancing, all the tourist attractions, theme parks, hotels, etc. will have to decrease capacities and thus sales. With a large portion of Florida's tax revenue coming from: entertainment, hotel, gasoline, alcohol and sales tax; the state will have to turn to residents to offset the shortfall in some form of an Income tax and/or real estate, sales tax increase. Either way, prepare yourself for cost of living increase in the not so distant future!

Maybe if we had a small state income tax over the years, the state would have been better prepared for growth and not completely beholden to developers. As a 40 year permanent resident, I’ve believed revenue from earned income wage earners would have made a huge difference as the state developed. Remember, income taxes can be defined to impact retirees without substantial income less dramatically.

GoPacers 04-27-2020 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1754329)
Are they???

We didn't raise taxes on a 25 trillion dollar national debt, so why is it "inevitable" that they are raised on a 29 trillion debt?

Lots of moving parts in today's market that weren't so prominent 4+ months ago. Interest rates are more likely to rise, inflation is more likely to occur, loss of revenue is happening (from lost jobs), etc. These all contribute to a much different dynamic. The Fed has tried to respond but they don't have many tools left to deploy at this point. I hope interest rates do not go up, that there is no inflation and that jobs are recovered as quickly as they were lost.

While I "hope" that is true, the more likely scenario is not as optimistic. The issue is what level of federal debt is "appropriate" and more importantly, at what point does that level become unsustainable. That is when revenues have to increase or spending has to decrease. Unless there are other levers to pull (such as cutting spending or raising revenue in other ways), taxes become the one certain tool. Another point, the federal government has mechanisms available to it that states do not have. States do not have the ability to print money so their options for dealing with a revenue shortfall are much more limited.

mowdie 04-27-2020 10:04 AM

Lake County
 
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Originally Posted by Dilligas (Post 1754272)
Homestead property taxes. Same in all states only a little worse here due to permanent homestead Caps the yearly mil rate increases at CPI. Florida average property tax is slightly under national average. All you have to do is move your permanent residency to Florida and part time in your old home state, and stay in Florida at least 6 months a year.

I was amazed looking on web at lady lake the villages property taxes with bond. Typical designer home around
$10,000. Same hm in Sumter with bond around $5,000.
Did I read something wrong?

simrek 04-27-2020 10:05 AM

Are they???
 
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1754329)
Are they???

We didn't raise taxes on a 25 trillion dollar national debt, so why is it "inevitable" that they are raised on a 29 trillion debt?

They are already backing $6.2 trillion in bailout grants and they just added another $.5T last week. Now their talking about bailing out the States, $T? That's just what they are spending; when you add to that all the loss in IRS tax income, it will be closer to $10 trillion.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 04-27-2020 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by vilger (Post 1754030)
Florida will do what it always does - raise taxes on people who live here part time but are not Florida residents and who can't vote here.

Smart. New Hampshire has not state income tax. Most of the state's revenue comes from tourism. We should do the same. We should have not income tax, not sales tax and no property tax. Tax restaurant meals attractions and hotel room at a higher level.

chuck717 04-27-2020 10:55 AM

Yes, but the lines at Disney will be shorter!


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