you beat me to it!

.....and their death rate is six times higher than their neighbors.
There is a price, and no guarantees whichever way you go.

Would love to see the science behind that prediction Nostradamus.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Sweden's death rate per million is higher than other Baltic states, but less than many other European countries, slightly higher than USA.

If Sweden achieves herd immunity in a few months, their death rate will drop to almost zero, while lockdown countries will see deaths continue to grow for next two years or until vaccine is developed. In the end they may lose the battle but win the war.

What bothers me more is all the snitching that is going on and how some are comfortable with it. Right into the playbook of our enemies. What ever happened to “Mi d your own business” A salon single mom owner in Texas was just thrown in jail for opening her salon to as she said “feed her kids “. This has gotten way out of hand. Absolute power corrupts.

These fools favor booze, sex and food over life. Sorry bunch.

The crowd police thing really bothers me. The numbers in TV do not support any of these peoples concerns. Its like you want people to die if they go out in public. I think some people moved to TV for the wrong reason. Even before the virus, there were people that do nothing but complain and try to police what others are doing. One day, you people are going to say the wrong thing to the wrong person. I hope this does not happen, but fear the outcome will be real bad for someone. If you are scared, stay home, if you are at risk stay home. The best protection is protecting yourself.

Could someone please tell me what /// means in a post? I see it now and then and it's the only thing appearing in the post. Is it the old "ditto"?

These people are stupid, not ignorant, ignorant can be taught. You can't fix stupid.

I saw this too, but don't worry, there was a Sheriff's Deputy relaxing in his car in a parking lot behind Starbucks.

Until there are any verified treatments against Covid-19, people gathering and building immunities will NOT protect them from this brand new virus. Each time the body meets and defeats a new antigen, they have T-cells that are ready to pounce if they meet it again, sometimes for life, sometimes for just a period of time. Their GENERAL immunity may help but cannot be counted on. Where is Blueash? This is above my pay grade.

If only I felt this were true, but I don't. This tells us that The Villages has not had much testing. Who knows how many people have been infected and are carriers? If they are asymptomatic, we will never know until we all get tested for antibodies to this virus.

Which comment are you referring to? Is it the post just before yours? Sometimes people post at the same time and your post does not follow the post you are replying to.

It is much easier for us to know which post you are replying to if you click on "Reply With Quote" when you prepare to post your comment. Then there will be no guess work as to who you are replying to.
Thanks.

Yup.

Latest stats show Swedens death rate at 12.3, with the USA at 5.8. That's more than double, not "slightly higher".

Post your source of data. I am going by link below, which is updated daily.

Sweden 282 deaths per million
USA 214 deaths per million

Total confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people - Our World in Data

Amen brother! Everyone thinks they are an expert because they heard on the internet, T.V., a friend, etc. Most people don't know the first thing about aseptic technique. I see people driving around with masks on, hanging from their necks...oh boy what a joke. Masks do not work against viruses...all I know is that the world is a such a scary place outside my kitchen window so I'm just going to put my mask and gloves on and sit in my closet until this is all over!!!!! I'm just so frightened!!!!

Ohiobuckeye
 

Coffeebean, they can do what they want & the people can do the same, it’s they’re choice. Coronavirus to me is for real, & if these people are that brave let them party. But me like you I’ll do the things where I feel safe. All I can say is if these people want to call this virus a bluff it’s fine with me! Have fun & enjoy yourself.

Pretty tough to get a drink while wearing a mask....
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I think the reckless people should have to sign a waiver saying they will not ask for medical assistance due to corona!!! Why should these drs and nurses put their lives on the line any more than they have to help people who have NO regard for anyone's life!!! These r truly very selfish and ignorant people!!!

I'm just musing, but Florida (and the majority of other states) have laws against knowingly engaging in behavior that might transmit STDs.

From criminaldefenselawyer.com: There are several Florida criminal laws that criminalize specific types of conduct engaged in by people with sexually transmitted diseases. It’s important to note that these crimes do not require that a person with a sexually transmitted disease actually infect someone else. Engaging in the prohibited activity, even if that activity does not lead to the transmission of a disease, is enough to commit a crime.

Should it come to that, enacting similar COVID-related legislation would certainly be doable. At this stage, proving that people knew they were infected would be quite problematic, and the question of acquired immunity is still up in the air.

Just contemplating the possibilities. I honestly doubt Florida legislators would view such a law favorably, although other states might.

I'm just musing, but Florida has laws against knowingly engaging in behavior that might transmit STDs.

From criminaldefenselawyer.com: There are several Florida laws that criminalize specific types of conduct engaged in by people with sexually transmitted diseases. It’s important to note that these crimes do not require that a person with a sexually transmitted disease actually infect someone else. Engaging in the prohibited activity, even if that activity does not lead to the transmission of a disease, is enough to commit a crime.

Should it come to that, enacting similar COVID-related legislation would certainly be doable. At this stage, proving that people knew they were infected would be quite problematic, and the question of acquired immunity is still up in the air.

Just contemplating the possibilities. I honestly doubt Florida legislators would view such a law favorably, although other states might.

Tired of it all
 

Is anyone as sick of these stories as I am? No masks, no social distancing, yada, yada, yada. Yes, we KNOW there are people not wearing masks. We KNOW people are not maintaining their distance. We KNOW people are gathering where they shouldn't. It's their funeral, not yours. We KNOW not everyone is is abiding by the law. So What!!! Stay away from them. Try to focus on some positive things like....what a beautiful day we have. Be happy to be living in America and not some third world country. Be happy that you are free and ABLE to complain about things without repercussions. I look for the good and I don't dwell on the bad. Let's give the complaints a rest, because, in the end, there is really NOTHING you can do about it.

Yes, you are looking at deaths per infected, I am looking at deaths per million inhabitants, which to me is a better way to judge a country's overall strategy.

Absolutely, and speaking for myself, I suggest they behave in such a way that others can live in the first place!

Barbers once again acting as physicians
 

I guess we are going back to the middle ages where barbers are acting as physicians. Of course the average age back then was only 30-35.

I hope so

Back to the original question
 

To answer this question, please refer to frla.org. Each county has specific rules. As of 6 May,

“Outside seating allowed, 25% capacity inside dinning rooms with social distancing. No bar seating.”

In addition general guidelines are provided:
“Do not allow guests to congregate in waiting areas or bar areas. Design a process to ensure guest separation while waiting to be seated that can include floor markings, outdoor distancing, waiting in cars, etc. Consider an exit from the facility separate from the entrance.”

While there are many opinions on social media, restaurants must follow governing Executive Orders. Violations of governing laws can be reported to your local sheriff as well as Florida’s Department of Business and Professional Regulations. However, it is important to understand the difference between a statute and a guideline. Do the research.

My God! That was a joke, lighten up Francis.
Steve

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None of these stats will provide the whole picture until there is 100% testing. That being said, Sweden has used the herd theory and their death rate is pretty high for those infected. Maybe a year from now it will balance out, but right now it's not looking good, especially when compared with their neighbors.

Unfortunately, with the current state of this world, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. There will always be Monday morning Quarterbacks to stir the pot, regardless of the policy followed.

The only guarantee is that when this is over, there will be someone (on either side) patting themselves on the back, and spouting how they were right. Until then, we are free to do what we feel is the right thing to do. Only time will tell, no sense dying from an ulcer trying to change peoples minds. :)

Death rate per infected is not really a good way to judge success of lockdown vs herd approach. 50% of Sweden's deaths have occurred in nursing homes. In the USA its more like 1 in 4. Nursing homes have the people most likely to die, so the percentage of deaths to infected is skewed by this.

Sweden's death rate per million is a lot lower than UK, Italy, Spain, France etc They all had lockdowns too.

You think it's bad on a message board, you ought to hear the calls coming in to Community watch. People are literally sitting in their houses monitoring the web cams at the squares and speed dialing CW to report people who aren't far enough apart.

It means the poster has deleted their post.

Amen to that !
Glad I am retired and don’t have to work.

Of the 50 European countries, Sweden in number 7 on the most deaths per million, 43 countries had less. I don't know if ALL the rest were in lockdown, but a large number were in lockdown, including Germany, Poland, Portugal, Greece, Ireland, Lithuania, Denmark, Norway, Hungary, Switzerland, etc.

It's all how we choose to look at the stats. Personally, I think the lockdown was the way to go, but a good plan needs to be developed to wind it down.

Absolutely agree!

Right, you can't fix stupid !

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