[Rag Bagger]

This area is different. Suprise, suprise it's a retirement community. However it is a very active retirement community. It just so happens that the activity here historically starts at 6 or 7am with physical activities and has more or less shut down at 9PM with music at the country clubs, on the square or other resturaunts. I think the home owners close to these areas have a right to expect reasonable noise control after 9pm. It's always been that way and those are the reason they bought here.

It seems to me it's Red Sauce that didn't do the home work. Either legally or as a common sense issue. They started the entertainment as a money stream and that is good but not at the expense of home owners who have lived here for years. That's just not fair play.

The take it inside or control the noise leve to a certain decible level may be an answer.

[Rag Bagger]

Originally Posted by TREE

I just heard through the "grapevine" that there will be NO outside music from now on any place in or around Lake Sumter Landing due to folks across the lake complaining. Is there any truth to that rumor? I did call Redsauce and they confirmed that karoke is over for the summer months and admitted it was not THEIR idea to cancel it. I am wondering if it's possible for a few people to warrant such a change in entertainment schedules because they don't like music after 9 pm. Does anyone know the real story??

One of the things that really annoys me about threads like this. Some one probably said they are stoping late night music at Sumter Landing and all of a sudden it turns in to NO!! music at SL. Don't you all remember your civics teachers about the credibility of rumors

[skip0358]

Sec. 16-107. Specific prohibitions.
The following specified acts and circumstances are hereby declared to constitute prohibited noise disturbances in violation of this article; provided however, such enumeration is not and shall not be deemed to be exclusive; provided further that all other acts and circumstances meeting the definition of noise disturbance are likewise declared to be in violation of this article.
(1) Radios, televisions, musical instruments and similar devices, and amplified human voice. Playing or permitting the playing of any radio, television, musical instrument or similar device, whether amplified or not amplified, or amplifying the human voice in such a manner or with such volume as to annoy or disturb the quiet, comfort and repose of a reasonable person in any type of residence or place of business; provided, however, this prohibition shall not apply to regularly scheduled outdoor entertainment activities in the downtown or urban areas within developments of regional impact, so long as such events terminate not later than 10:00 p.m.
So there are 2 choices have the square play music till 10PM or have the affected restaurants move the music inside. Case Closed

[dillywho]

I am not an early riser. That being said, I am awakened by trash collectors, lawn maintenance people, people walking shouting out or talking loud to greet one another, etc., and some of this as early as 5:30 or 6 AM. Do I complain that the trash needs to be collected after 9 AM, or that yards be taken care of after 9, or that people talk/greet each other after I get up? No. If I (or anyone else) want quiet at a time that suits me (or them) and not everyone else, then live in the country. If this were happening at 2, 3, or 4 in the morning, that would be different....but 10 or 11 at night? Come on!

I don't remember seeing anything in the videos or on our preview visit that said anything about a 9:00 curfew, either.

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by KathieI

Unfortunately, this is not a rumor but is true. Red Sauce started their outdoor entertainment only a few weeks ago on Thurs and Friday nights starting at 9pm till 10:30 or 11, depending on the night. All of the ordinances were fully met as far as crowd control, noise control, and serving liquor after a certain hour. The 9pm start time was dictated by the villages mgt as it was not to compete with the entertainment on the squares. RJ Gator's is not affected by this as its music is INDOORS not outdoors but it does also start after 9pm. The same is true for Urban Flats.

Red Sauce is shut down as of now but we hope it will return in the near future. The entertainment was enjoyed by many people and brought a lot of new business to the stores and restaurants in that area.

If you look at one of the most popular threads on TOTV about the 8pm curfew, you will see all of the pros and cons about outdoor music. Since I am one of the nightlife people here in TV and am too old to be a baby boomer, I would think that the boomers would not be too happy that all the entertainment stops at 9pm and we should all go home at that early hour. Let me also add, that the music is top-notch, not rap or inexperienced entertainers, but definitely professional, and great sounding dance music. The talent of the karaoke singers here in TV is absolutely fantastic and I know if you would come to listen to it, you would fully enjoy yourselves.

This is just an update from the nightlife mayor of TV and its just my own opinion.

Another interesting point, if the entertainment stops at 9pm, that will mean the restaurants will also close at 9pm, why would they bother to stay open?

Mayor,
I'm confused (what else is new). Is Red Sauce closing or staying open, but discontinuing outdoor music after 9 p.m.? If staying open, will it have music indoors after 9 p.m.? If all ordinances were being met, why the change? Is Red Sauce the only establishment that is affected?

Thanks for any clarification you can provide!

[Talk Host]

Usually, in this country, the MAJORITY is suppose to rule. I'm guessing that the majority of the residents are in their homes and not at the square after 9 p.m. I also am guessing that the reason for noise ordinances in most cities is because of the wishes of the majority.

Let's answer this question. What should be the absolute "shut down" time of loud outside music?

Another supposition. If you are one of the late night partiers at Red Sauce and after a long night of dancing and merrymaking, you flop into bed at midnight......but your neighbor next door begins practicing "Lady of Spain" on his accordion on the lanai at 1 a.m., what would you do?

[Taj44]

Originally Posted by Rag ******

This area is different. Suprise, suprise it's a retirement community. However it is a very active retirement community. It just so happens that the activity here historically starts at 6 or 7am with physical activities and has more or less shut down at 9PM with music at the country clubs, on the square or other resturaunts. I think the home owners close to these areas have a right to expect reasonable noise control after 9pm. It's always been that way and those are the reason they bought here.

It seems to me it's Red Sauce that didn't do the home work. Either legally or as a common sense issue. They started the entertainment as a money stream and that is good but not at the expense of home owners who have lived here for years. That's just not fair play.

The take it inside or control the noise leve to a certain decible level may be an answer.

Good Post. No one is saying that the music isn't good, or that it doesn't bring in business. Obviously its a money maker or they wouldn't try to do it. But as stated, homeowners purchased their homes given the impression that there would be noise control after 9 pm. These businesses can still take their music inside. What's the problem? Sounds like a good compromise to me.

[kentucky blue]

Whatever they decide with the music is fine by me, but TV isn't selling a place to rest and relax.I'm one of those baby boomers who is buying into the lifestyle.If i wanted a place to rest and relax i would be going elsewhere, certainly not here.The energy of the villagers, i saw last week on my visit, was incredible.The Chubby Checker concert was a blast, everybody up on their feet and dancing.I'm looking to buy in the Village of Bridgeport , and would love to hear the music at the LSL in the evenings .You all live in paradise, enjoy everything TV has to offer, let the music play

[TrudyM]

Originally Posted by skip0358

Sec. 16-107. Specific prohibitions.
The following specified acts and circumstances are hereby declared to constitute prohibited noise disturbances in violation of this article; provided however, such enumeration is not and shall not be deemed to be exclusive; provided further that all other acts and circumstances meeting the definition of noise disturbance are likewise declared to be in violation of this article.
(1) Radios, televisions, musical instruments and similar devices, and amplified human voice. Playing or permitting the playing of any radio, television, musical instrument or similar device, whether amplified or not amplified, or amplifying the human voice in such a manner or with such volume as to annoy or disturb the quiet, comfort and repose of a reasonable person in any type of residence or place of business; provided, however, this prohibition shall not apply to regularly scheduled outdoor entertainment activities in the downtown or urban areas within developments of regional impact, so long as such events terminate not later than 10:00 p.m. So there are 2 choices have the square play music till 10PM or have the affected restaurants move the music inside. Case Closed

IMHO Seems that a reasonable person could expect noise from a restaurant shopping core. That the ordinance quoted above says 10 PM. I am married to a go to work at 4:30 to avoid traffic and first tee time of the day golfer. I always remind him that 10 - 11 Pm on a Friday night is not unreasonably late to have noise. On our wish list we set our no closer than limit at a mile from the squares for just that reason. That said no noise decebel level should ever be high enough to make Television watching and conversation inside a problem. I am not there so I just wonder how loud is this music?
The rule in suburban living is what a reasonable person could expect and there is the rub everyone thinks their opinion is reasonable.

[skip0358]

If it was someone on the other side of the Lake which is very large and very far from those houses. The music could'nt be that loud. I've heard music from Red Sauce and also Cody's and belive it's not that loud to bother someone on the other side of the lake.IMHO.

[Rag Bagger]

Actually it's pretty close. A pro Golfer drives a ball across the lake every year from The Lighthouse.
I use to live on a boat and noise really travels across water because there is nothing to absorb or redirect the sound waves. And if the house is down wind it will make the sound carry even more. I had heard the music from Red Sauce a few times. It did seem louder than what was on the square.
The people across the lake shouldn't have to sit inside with the doors and windows closed due to the noise. So I think there has to be some courtesy here. Don't ya think.
My quess is that the past month have been really great outside in the evening and the home owners in the area are sitting outside and are tired of the music. It wouldn't bother me but then I like that train noise everybody complains about. I grew up near a train track and it reminds me of my childhood home.

[ceejay]

Originally Posted by dillywho

I am not an early riser. That being said, I am awakened by trash collectors, lawn maintenance people, people walking shouting out or talking loud to greet one another, etc., and some of this as early as 5:30 or 6 AM. Do I complain that the trash needs to be collected after 9 AM, or that yards be taken care of after 9, or that people talk/greet each other after I get up? No. If I (or anyone else) want quiet at a time that suits me (or them) and not everyone else, then live in the country. If this were happening at 2, 3, or 4 in the morning, that would be different....but 10 or 11 at night? Come on!
I don't remember seeing anything in the videos or on our preview visit that said anything about a 9:00 curfew, either.

[Bogie Shooter]

Here is a thread where you can get ideas for posting to this thread. Just insert Lake Sumter Landing for Havana.
8 PM Curfew

[Talk Host]

Nobody answered my accordion question.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Talk Host

Nobody answered my accordion question.

Great question. I would ask him to switch to a polka medley!