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coffeebean 01-27-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 616419)
My take on the complaints about the set up of Paddock Square (bleacher seating, size of dance floor, etc).
If you don't like it, don't go there. There are 2 other squares.
Problem solved.

I plan to do just that, actually. Having said that, when Rocky and the Rollers plays Paddock Square, I don't want to miss them. It is not going to be a pleasant experience I fear, with the crowds they will bring.

Also...where are the merchants going to set up their wares for Market nights??? Looks like there is no room for the merchants around the square.

Bill-n-Brillo 01-27-2013 09:40 PM

I suspect there might have been people who were not happy having to sit beside/behind the performers while at SS and LSL.

Bill :)

golf2140 01-27-2013 10:10 PM

Gee alll these folks know more then the Morse family does. I would suggest they go out and build a nicer place.

Bogie Shooter 01-27-2013 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 616477)
I plan to do just that, actually. Having said that, when Rocky and the Rollers plays Paddock Square, I don't want to miss them. It is not going to be a pleasant experience I fear, with the crowds they will bring.

Also...where are the merchants going to set up their wares for Market nights??? Looks like there is no room for the merchants around the square.

Assuming there will be market night at Brownwood.

Bogie Shooter 01-27-2013 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 616455)
Personally, I don't see Brownwood as better or worse than Spanish Springs or Lake Sumter Landing----just different. Brownwood is more a "showplace". If the developer is able to attract a Dillard's, Macy's, and other well know stores to the Brownwood area along Rt 44, they will bring in outsider's from a larger square mile area. Maybe Brownwood was not built just with TV residents in mind, rather the goal might be attract a larger audience who would rather listen to music than to dance. There is still room to dance but the square is more of an outdoor concert type setting IMHO. One thing for sure, it is not cheap. Only time will tell, so give it three years or so and lets see what develops.

:a20:

UpNorth 01-27-2013 11:10 PM

Went to Brownwood the other night to see Scooter. The stage sound system there is terrible, largely because of the roof over the bleachers. Like a reverse bandshell, all you get is a one-note boom, loads of feedback, and no clarity whatsoever. It can probably be "fixed" by adding some speakers and equilization, but depending where you sit, it can be annoying.

Serenoa 01-27-2013 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by golf2140 (Post 616503)
Gee alll these folks know more then the Morse family does. I would suggest they go out and build a nicer place.

:agree::agree::agree::agree: I'm extremely concerned that TV's days are numbered. Any day now someone is sure to build the PERFECT retirement community.

golfergirl1 01-28-2013 12:01 AM

my thoughts exactly,plus the stadium setting...what were they thinking.
 
I totally agree. The dance area is inadequate when you consider the types
of crowds that will eventually come to this square. Plus the stadium seating, while providing raised view of the stage performers does not take in to account the general age of the viewing public and the physical limitations (ie. bad backs and knees) which would make this an uncomfortable option. The lack of information concerning future merchants or dining establishments is also a bit tiresome. This combined with the poor movie
choices really place this town square as it is...3rd in line as a place to go. Hopefully, all this things will improve with time.
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 615928)
First time at Brownwood's Paddock Square last night and I was a bit surprised how small the dance floor area is. The dance floor does not go all around the band stand as it does in LSL and SS. It wasn't very crowded last night when hubby and I were there but I can imagine the dance floor is going to be way too small when the area is crowded. There really is no separate area where line dancers can gather, such as the sides of the band stand.

What were they thinking when this town square was drawn up?


DougB 01-28-2013 12:48 AM

Waaaaahhhhh, waaaaaahhhhh, waaaahhhhh

billlaur 01-28-2013 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 616477)
I plan to do just that, actually. Having said that, when Rocky and the Rollers plays Paddock Square, I don't want to miss them. It is not going to be a pleasant experience I fear, with the crowds they will bring.

Also...where are the merchants going to set up their wares for Market nights??? Looks like there is no room for the merchants around the square.

Have you been to farmers market? There is actually to much room...:BigApplause:

justjim 01-28-2013 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 616524)
Assuming there will be market night at Brownwood.

Do you know the actual size of Brownwood (sq ft of the square itself) compared to the other squares? :(

Cedwards38 01-28-2013 07:18 AM

My guess is that once they get all the commercial space built down there, and from what I hear its gonna be a lot, Brownwood might be the busiest little cow town in Florida.

graciegirl 01-28-2013 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by golfergirl1 (Post 616546)
I totally agree. The dance area is inadequate when you consider the types
of crowds that will eventually come to this square. Plus the stadium seating, while providing raised view of the stage performers does not take in to account the general age of the viewing public and the physical limitations (ie. bad backs and knees) which would make this an uncomfortable option. The lack of information concerning future merchants or dining establishments is also a bit tiresome. This combined with the poor movie
choices really place this town square as it is...3rd in line as a place to go. Hopefully, all this things will improve with time.

Dear Golfergirl1

Welcome to the forum.

There are chairs available just like at the other squares at Brownwood, or at least I have been told, haven't been there at night.

I am not clear what exactly you mean by poor movie choices. They appear to be the same mix of first run movies as the other two venues.

There isn't any news about future business inhabitants, restaurants etc. PROBABLY because those businesses and restaurants have not made a commitment yet to come there. This isn't the best economy and many chains are simply NOT expanding and loans for new businesses are probably a little harder to get after the default on so many loans in the recent past. Lending institutions are being very careful with their money.

The developer builds the physical structures for the new businesses to inhabit and I am sure will do so when they decide to come there. I don't think anybody is sitting on any information.

That is just my opinion. I am often wrong.

2BNTV 01-28-2013 10:28 AM

I think one needs to be patient until Brownwood is completely built. I am sure many other things need to be added to get the full effect of what it be finally be.

All good things come with time. :smiley:

mmatcg 01-28-2013 12:17 PM

Current and future merchants in Brownwood
 
Listed Merchants in Paddock Square

Reported or confirmed
Five Guys Burgers & Fries
World Of Beer

Potential Merchants
Too Jays
Flippers Pizzeria
Codys

any others?

jackiedew 01-28-2013 12:30 PM

I think Brownwood is fabulous just as the other two squares are and there is plenty of room for dancing (and I'm a line dancer). Perhaps some people are conceiving that it is smaller because of the layout. Well done in my opinion and I bet the cattle are the most photographed in FL!

rubicon 01-28-2013 12:38 PM

Originally the plans called for Brownwood to be 3 times the size of LSL. However I do not know if the they adhere to the original plans?

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 01-28-2013 12:48 PM

I love the stage and bleacher setup at Brownwood. At SS and LSL you can't see the band because of the people dancing in front of them. They should move the dance areas to behind where the people are sitting so that those who want to watch the band as well a listen can see.

Bucco 01-28-2013 12:52 PM

Very difficult for me to read all the negativity concerning Brownwood. From all I hear and read, when it is complete, it will far exceed both LSL and SS.

I suppose we live in the era of INSTANT gratification.

Bogie Shooter 01-28-2013 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 616576)
Do you know the actual size of Brownwood (sq ft of the square itself) compared to the other squares? :(

No.

cquick 01-28-2013 02:17 PM

We've gone to Brownwood and Paddock Square lots of times since they have opened, and we'll keep on going there, we just choose which band we want to hear.....and that's where we go.

I will say I LOVE the Farmer's Market on Saturdays. We go almost every week
:highfive:

sueandskip 01-28-2013 02:54 PM

The question was about how small the dance floor was.....My answer would be people have a tendancy to keep moving closer and closer to the stage area with there chairs making the dancing area smaller...They also have a bad habit to setting up there gossip area in the entrance area totally blocking them off....

perrjojo 01-28-2013 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 616768)
Very difficult for me to read all the negativity concerning Brownwood. From all I hear and read, when it is complete, it will far exceed both LSL and SS.

I suppose we live in the era of INSTANT gratification.

I think you are on to something. :-)

Shimpy 01-28-2013 04:28 PM

BROWNWOOD...... It is what it is and no amount of discussion will change it.

coffeebean 01-28-2013 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 616768)
Very difficult for me to read all the negativity concerning Brownwood. From all I hear and read, when it is complete, it will far exceed both LSL and SS.

I suppose we live in the era of INSTANT gratification.

My comments in the original post of this thread is about the dance floor and band stand area. I was not commenting about what the completed Brownwood is going to be like. The band stand is completed and so is the limited dance floor area.

The sidewalks that surround the immediate vicinity of the dance floor are also smaller than SS and LSL. The street that circles around the dance floor and band stand does not seem as wide and open as in SS and LSL. The very integral central part of this town square (surrounding street, dance floor and band stand) is so much smaller and feels closed in to me. These things can not be changed as they are already in place.

Bogie Shooter 01-28-2013 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 616872)
My comments in the original post of this thread is about the dance floor and band stand area. I was not commenting about what the completed Brownwood is going to be like. The band stand is completed and so is the limited dance floor area.

The sidewalks that surround the immediate vicinity of the dance floor are also smaller than SS and LSL. The street that circles around the dance floor and band stand does not seem as wide and open as in SS and LSL. The very integral central part of this town square (surrounding street, dance floor and band stand) is so much smaller and feels closed in to me. These things can not be changed as they are already in place.

And...................?
See post #64

Skybo 01-28-2013 04:57 PM

I think Paddock Square is great! Is it the same as Market Square? No. Is it the same as Town Square? No. Do you all want every square to be the same? I don't.

Most folks who are able and willing to sit in the bleachers will gladly do so, because they provide the best view. Those that choose not to sit in the bleachers have chairs available to them. So what's the problem?

As far as dance floor space...no square has ever been so crowded that people can't dance. Even during high-season, there is always room to dance.

Bucco 01-29-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 616851)
I think you are on to something. :-)

As I recall, and as the years go by, that recall is not as sharp as it used to be, but I was here right after SS was completed. Not much there...if the developer didn't open it up, it did not exist. Restaurants where there were were all owned by the developer. Crowds were ok, but nothing to write home about, then as the population grew, the crowds grew.

Then came LSL, and for awhile you could come over and look around before the grand opening. We didn't have this forum, but folks said...how pretty but there sure is not much there. Then it grew as the population grew.

Now Brownwood, and it sounds like it will be spectacular. I would rather talk about the state of the art theater and how really nice it is there. The growth, the crowds, etc will come in time.

The person who began this thread spoke of the size of the dance area...obviously that is important to that person, BUT not to everybody and I would suspect those who want a larger dance area will gravitate to a town center that meets with what they want. That is the idea of these 3 town squares...all different architecture, feel, etc.

Enjoy them all.......it just strikes me as odd how anyone could complain about anything in The Villages...is it perfect,. nope, but then again, where is that perfection. This place has so much to offer, and I am overreacting for sure, but I think it a "cheap shot" to criticize Brownwood, and I still think it is a mark of our society....I want it now and those who do not give me what I want and now are bad people.

Sorry for being negative, but please enjoy this place, whatever town square you choose to visit !

coffeebean 01-30-2013 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sueandskip (Post 616819)
The question was about how small the dance floor was.....My answer would be people have a tendancy to keep moving closer and closer to the stage area with there chairs making the dancing area smaller...They also have a bad habit to setting up there gossip area in the entrance area totally blocking them off....

I was at Paddock Square yesterday before any chairs were brought onto the square. The area is basically the same size as LSL in front of the band stand. That is where the similarity ends. Paddock Square has much smaller area on the sides of the band stand and no area at all in the back of the band stand. LSL's dance floor has more than twice the size of Paddock Square's dance floor. It is very easy to "eye ball" it.

Also... the chairs at LSL and SS are have arms on them. Not so in Paddock Square. Not complaining...just making an observation.

justjim 01-30-2013 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 617597)
As I recall, and as the years go by, that recall is not as sharp as it used to be, but I was here right after SS was completed. Not much there...if the developer didn't open it up, it did not exist. Restaurants where there were were all owned by the developer. Crowds were ok, but nothing to write home about, then as the population grew, the crowds grew.

Then came LSL, and for awhile you could come over and look around before the grand opening. We didn't have this forum, but folks said...how pretty but there sure is not much there. Then it grew as the population grew.

Now Brownwood, and it sounds like it will be spectacular. I would rather talk about the state of the art theater and how really nice it is there. The growth, the crowds, etc will come in time.

The person who began this thread spoke of the size of the dance area...obviously that is important to that person, BUT not to everybody and I would suspect those who want a larger dance area will gravitate to a town center that meets with what they want. That is the idea of these 3 town squares...all different architecture, feel, etc.

Enjoy them all.......it just strikes me as odd how anyone could complain about anything in The Villages...is it perfect,. nope, but then again, where is that perfection. This place has so much to offer, and I am overreacting for sure, but I think it a "cheap shot" to criticize Brownwood, and I still think it is a mark of our society....I want it now and those who do not give me what I want and now are bad people.

Sorry for being negative, but please enjoy this place, whatever town square you choose to visit !

Good thoughtful post. :beer3:

2BNTV 01-30-2013 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 617597)
As I recall, and as the years go by, that recall is not as sharp as it used to be, but I was here right after SS was completed. Not much there...if the developer didn't open it up, it did not exist. Restaurants where there were were all owned by the developer. Crowds were ok, but nothing to write home about, then as the population grew, the crowds grew.

Then came LSL, and for awhile you could come over and look around before the grand opening. We didn't have this forum, but folks said...how pretty but there sure is not much there. Then it grew as the population grew.

Now Brownwood, and it sounds like it will be spectacular. I would rather talk about the state of the art theater and how really nice it is there. The growth, the crowds, etc will come in time.

The person who began this thread spoke of the size of the dance area...obviously that is important to that person, BUT not to everybody and I would suspect those who want a larger dance area will gravitate to a town center that meets with what they want. That is the idea of these 3 town squares...all different architecture, feel, etc.

Enjoy them all.......it just strikes me as odd how anyone could complain about anything in The Villages...is it perfect,. nope, but then again, where is that perfection. This place has so much to offer, and I am overreacting for sure, but I think it a "cheap shot" to criticize Brownwood, and I still think it is a mark of our society....I want it now and those who do not give me what I want and now are bad people.

Sorry for being negative, but please enjoy this place, whatever town square you choose to visit !

Very good point that has perspective. :BigApplause:

ricksvl 01-31-2013 01:54 PM

My experience was with Barnstorm Theater. My husband and I walked in and started looking at some very nice things on their walls. We walked passed the wooden rail fencing and was promptly told that if we were on that side of the fence, we needed a ticket. I tried to explain that we were admiring the decor and did not want to attend a movie at this time. The young lady again told me that we had to buy a ticket to be on that side of the fence and we could not "just look at their decor". This was very insulting and demeaning. This happened just after Thanksgiving. My husband and I have not been back to this movie theater and we may never go back. LMR

Bogie Shooter 01-31-2013 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ricksvl (Post 618513)
My experience was with Barnstorm Theater. My husband and I walked in and started looking at some very nice things on their walls. We walked passed the wooden rail fencing and was promptly told that if we were on that side of the fence, we needed a ticket. I tried to explain that we were admiring the decor and did not want to attend a movie at this time. The young lady again told me that we had to buy a ticket to be on that side of the fence and we could not "just look at their decor". This was very insulting and demeaning. This happened just after Thanksgiving. My husband and I have not been back to this movie theater and we may never go back. LMR

I would have asked for the manager. How do you think it can be fixed, if the mangager isn't made aware? Thanksgiving.......probably her second day on the job.

BTW welcome to TOTV.

mulligan 01-31-2013 03:53 PM

Okay, I've got it all figured out. The developer was using selective elimination. All those that need armchairs and a bigger dance area will go to SS and LSL. Those of us who can appreciate his response to various other issues ( such as roping off seats) will be free to enjoy Brownwood. See you there !! I'll be the one inside that allegedly hideous wooden fence waiting for an adult beverage !!

coffeebean 01-31-2013 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 616879)
And...................?
See post #64

My point is....What the heck were they thinking when they planned Paddock Square? Doesn't the developer expect large crowds at Paddock Square as there are at the other two squares? It's going to be very close when all the homes are built south of 466A.

DougB 01-31-2013 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricksvl (Post 618513)
My experience was with Barnstorm Theater. My husband and I walked in and started looking at some very nice things on their walls. We walked passed the wooden rail fencing and was promptly told that if we were on that side of the fence, we needed a ticket. I tried to explain that we were admiring the decor and did not want to attend a movie at this time. The young lady again told me that we had to buy a ticket to be on that side of the fence and we could not "just look at their decor". This was very insulting and demeaning. This happened just after Thanksgiving. My husband and I have not been back to this movie theater and we may never go back. LMR

Theater wouldn't let you in without purchasing a ticket? Why, I never heard of such a thing! But seriously, was she impolite or rude in any way, or just following the rules?

Bogie Shooter 01-31-2013 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 618656)
My point is....What the heck were they thinking when they planned Paddock Square? Doesn't the developer expect large crowds at Paddock Square as there are at the other two squares? It's going to be very close when all the homes are built south of 466A.

And I repeat.............see post #64.

villagerjack 01-31-2013 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 617818)
I was at Paddock Square yesterday before any chairs were brought onto the square. The area is basically the same size as LSL in front of the band stand. That is where the similarity ends. Paddock Square has much smaller area on the sides of the band stand and no area at all in the back of the band stand. LSL's dance floor has more than twice the size of Paddock Square's dance floor. It is very easy to "eye ball" it.

Also... the chairs at LSL and SS are have arms on them. Not so in Paddock Square. Not complaining...just making an observation.


But why??...Do you always make a habit of comparing things? Arms on chairs? Give me a break.....PULEEEZE.

Serenoa 01-31-2013 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricksvl (Post 618513)
My experience was with Barnstorm Theater. My husband and I walked in and started looking at some very nice things on their walls. We walked passed the wooden rail fencing and was promptly told that if we were on that side of the fence, we needed a ticket. I tried to explain that we were admiring the decor and did not want to attend a movie at this time. The young lady again told me that we had to buy a ticket to be on that side of the fence and we could not "just look at their decor". This was very insulting and demeaning. This happened just after Thanksgiving. My husband and I have not been back to this movie theater and we may never go back. LMR

That sure is different than the experience we had at Barnstorm. During our LSV in December we visited Brownwood on a saturday so we could see the farmer's market. After looking over almost everything else we wandered into the theatre with no intention of seeing a movie. I must have snapped at least a dozen or more pictures of the old John Deere tractor & all the other antiques & decor in the lobby. There were several employees over behind the snack counters & others walking around, but none asked for a ticket or said we couldn't do what we were doing without tickets. I'm sorry you had a bad encounter, but I sure wouldn't let one less than courteous employee keep me from going back to enjoy a movie. I do hope you go back.

As far as the discussion about the dance floor, I'm wondering if the tall height of the grandstand seating areas doesn't give the dance area a closed -in appearance & just make it seem smaller? I'm really shocked that someone hasn't visited each town square with a measuring wheel to settle this very, very important argument once & for all.

villagerjack 01-31-2013 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricksvl (Post 618513)
My experience was with Barnstorm Theater. My husband and I walked in and started looking at some very nice things on their walls. We walked passed the wooden rail fencing and was promptly told that if we were on that side of the fence, we needed a ticket. I tried to explain that we were admiring the decor and did not want to attend a movie at this time. The young lady again told me that we had to buy a ticket to be on that side of the fence and we could not "just look at their decor". This was very insulting and demeaning. This happened just after Thanksgiving. My husband and I have not been back to this movie theater and we may never go back. LMR

OH, C'mon now! Please stop, this is getting very childish! Chairs with no arms, small sidewalks and now this? I cannot believe what I am reading. Did everyone immigrate from Utopia to The Villages to finish fifth grade? .


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