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Southwest737 02-05-2023 07:58 AM

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A picture of her ticket.

Bogie Shooter 02-05-2023 08:06 AM

The sheriff should put the deputy who wrote up this ticket…..in timeout.:smiley:

wamley 02-05-2023 08:10 AM

If the Sheriff said it's a violation, why not ask him to quotes the Statute that would appear on the ticket the Deputy Sheriff would put on the ticket you would receive for the violation he/she is citing you for. Typically in Vehicle and Traffic laws vehicles cannot cross solid white lines unless its to avoid an accident.

BigHoss18 02-05-2023 08:12 AM

We've lost our minds!
 
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Originally Posted by Hardlyworking (Post 2183332)
There is a thread on the N***D*** site where someone is claiming to have been issued a ticket for crossing the solid white line of the diamond lane to pass another golf cart.

I did a quick search through this forum thinking that the topic has been discussed already but couldn’t find anything.

[rhetorical] What does this say about a society that "lets criminals steal several hundred dollars worth of retail items and run away without challenge?" And then tickets an "otherwise law-abiding citizen for crossing a solid white line to go on their way?"

"Common sense" is no longer valued or exercised among a vast majority of our hideous population.

PoolBrews 02-05-2023 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Southwest737 (Post 2183655)
A picture of her ticket.

I don't think this is a real ticket. The word designated is incorrectly spelled. I see it is typed/printed out, meaning it was automatically generated, and I doubt that the wording would be spelled incorrectly.

I've never received a ticket that didn't have hand writing on it, but I haven't gotten a ticket in a loooong time.

Larchap49 02-05-2023 08:29 AM

Lines
 
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Originally Posted by Mlr4343 (Post 2183343)
Been discussing this in our neighborhood for a week or so and yes it is illegal to pass while in the diamond lane, according to the Sheriffs office. I called both the sheriff and local police and confirmed. No exceptions for a golf cart to pass ANY other cart, bike, trike, etc. Hard to believe. Sent an email to Don Wiley asking if Commissioners could address it but he’s indicated it’s a state traffic law and they can’t. Not sure where to go from here

The most ridiculous part is - say you are in the golf cart lane headed south, you want to make a left turn into a street on the northbound side of the street. There is no break in the solid line for you on the southbound side so technically it is illegal for you to cross the line to make your turn. Buuuut if you wait for a break in the line where a street intersects from your right you can then pull out legally. What a bunch of crap and I believe beatable in court due to inconsistencies

rrtjp 02-05-2023 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2183622)
Ok. Now the elephant in the room…..Top speed on my cart is 20 mph. I do see it reach 21 mph downhill or in a strong tailwind. EVERYBODY passes me. Should I “adjust” that little spring so I can increase speed by 5 mph?! Probably illegal but it would help a lot of cart drivers behind me better avoid a ticket. A conundrum.

I’m not saying how fast my cart will go, lol. I typically drive around 14 or 15 mph, sometimes slower if I’m just driving around the neighborhood. If someone wants to pass me I pull over when I can and let them pass. I’m never in a hurry to get anywhere. A wise man once said “life moves pretty fast if you don’t slow down and look around once in awhile you just might miss it”. That being said, I like that if I need to pass a very slow biker or walker I can do so quickly and safely then return back to my “Sunday driver” typical speed of 14, 15 mph. IMHO it’s better to have a little extra speed and not need it than to need it and not have it. As far as being illegal to adjust your governor ? You have a better chance at winning the lottery than being pulled over in your cart for speeding. I have never seen any speed traps set up here for golf carts. Drive with caution and have respect for others that share the road or path with you, simple as that, common sense.

CosmicTrucker 02-05-2023 08:38 AM

So our sheriff thinks it’s perfectly safe to stop dead in the middle of the road waiting to turn left but quickly passing a slow vehicle is not. Ring a ding ding.

Bill14564 02-05-2023 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Larchap49 (Post 2183677)
The most ridiculous part is - say you are in the golf cart lane headed south, you want to make a left turn into a street on the northbound side of the street. There is no break in the solid line for you on the southbound side so technically it is illegal for you to cross the line to make your turn. Buuuut if you wait for a break in the line where a street intersects from your right you can then pull out legally. What a bunch of crap and I believe beatable in court due to inconsistencies

Already been covered in a few previous posts.

Bill14564 02-05-2023 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wamley (Post 2183660)
If the Sheriff said it's a violation, why not ask him to quotes the Statute that would appear on the ticket the Deputy Sheriff would put on the ticket you would receive for the violation he/she is citing you for. Typically in Vehicle and Traffic laws vehicles cannot cross solid white lines unless its to avoid an accident.

See post #41 which may have been submitted while you were writing this.

justjim 02-05-2023 09:06 AM

“I have never seen any speed traps set up here for golf carts”. Post #47. I haven’t seen any for a couple of years but there were some a few years prior. There have been approximately a dozen fatalities while in golf carts but none that I heard were caused by speeding. Most tickets are for failing to stop at a stop sign. There are police watching, especially, in the Fruitland Park section of The Villages.

blueash 02-05-2023 09:07 AM

The section of law on the ticket:

(2) Where signs or markings are in place to define a no-passing zone as set forth in subsection (1), a driver may not, at any time, drive on the left side of the roadway within such no-passing zone or on the left side of any pavement striping designed to mark such no-passing zone throughout its length.
(3) This section does not apply to a driver who safely and briefly drives to the left of the center of the roadway only to the extent necessary to:
(a) Avoid an obstruction;
(b) Turn left into or from an alley, a private road, or a driveway; or
(c) Overtake and pass a bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle or an electric bicycle pursuant to s. 316.083(2) or (3).

It is pretty clear that the solid white line is a pavement striping to mark a no passing zone and that with a few exceptions you cannot drive on its left. Note that you can cross that line to make a turn or avoid obstructions, bicycles, Ebikes and non-motorized vehicles. Note that avoid an obstruction is an allowed exception... see next post

blueash 02-05-2023 09:15 AM

316.2045 Obstruction of public streets, highways, and roads.—
(1)(a) A person may not willfully obstruct the free, convenient, and normal use of a public street, highway, or road by:
1. Impeding, hindering, stifling, retarding, or restraining traffic or passage thereon;


Note that Florida law defines a street as being obstructed when traffic is being impeded, retarded etc. It does not seem to require that traffic be completely blocked for an obstruction to exist.

Could a sharp lawyer make an argument that under the law the slow golf cart represented an impediment and restraint to the normal use of the road. And this statute calls such an impediment an OBSTRUCTION

You're welcome. Now you better be prepared to show that you passed a golf cart that was going very much under the speed limit, not that your souped up illegal cart wanted to fly by a cart going only 18 MPH.

It also might be best to not pull out when there is a cop in the lane, as clearly the person who got the ticket did so in front of a cop

maistocars 02-05-2023 09:21 AM

And then you ask yourself when was the last time you saw any sheriff pull over a golf cart for doing that? Puleeeeze.

DAVES 02-05-2023 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hardlyworking (Post 2183332)
There is a thread on the N***D*** site where someone is claiming to have been issued a ticket for crossing the solid white line of the diamond lane to pass another golf cart.

I did a quick search through this forum thinking that the topic has been discussed already but couldn’t find anything.

An endless topic with different spins to it. People seem to always claim they are right-even when they are wrong. There used to be, likely still is, a monthly presentation by the police dept re: golf cart regulations. That would be a wise place to ask and get proper answers other than OPINIONS.

Passing another golf cart. As I understand it the LEGAL top speed for a golf cart is 20 miles per hour. If, you are passing others there is a good chance YOU are speeding. A street legal golf cart requires PLATES, INSURANCE AND A LICENSED DRIVER.

A typical golf cart is actually a second class vehicle, supposed to yield to cars and even bicycles.

Hardlyworking 02-05-2023 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2183714)
An endless topic with different spins to it. People seem to always claim they are right-even when they are wrong. There used to be, likely still is, a monthly presentation by the police dept re: golf cart regulations. That would be a wise place to ask and get proper answers other than OPINIONS.

Passing another golf cart. As I understand it the LEGAL top speed for a golf cart is 20 miles per hour. If, you are passing others there is a good chance YOU are speeding. A street legal golf cart requires PLATES, INSURANCE AND A LICENSED DRIVER.

A typical golf cart is actually a second class vehicle, supposed to yield to cars and even bicycles.

Not necessarily. Rental carts are governed at 14 mph. I can pass that on a bicycle.

Bill14564 02-05-2023 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Hardlyworking (Post 2183738)
Not necessarily. Rental carts are governed at 14 mph. I can pass that on a bicycle.

Rental carts from where are governed at 14mph? I've rented three carts from two businesses and none were that slow.

Hardlyworking 02-05-2023 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2183747)
Rental carts from where are governed at 14mph? I've rented three carts from two businesses and none were that slow.

I’ve only had one as a loaner. It couldn’t get out of its own way. Seems a lot of the slower carts are rentals. 14 was a number I’ve heard others mention in the past. Maybe it just seems like 14. Doesn’t really matter, I am not changing how I drive my golf cart.

fdpaq0580 02-05-2023 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2183617)
Not bicycles, people are hazards.

More accurate than you realize.

Hape2Bhr 02-05-2023 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartan86 (Post 2183576)
I’ve seen discussions recently about this as well. So….you’re following a slower moving vehicle in the cart lane. You come upon a side street. The white line is broken crossing the side street. Can you now go into the traffic lane, around the slower cart/bike etc and back into the cart lane?

This exact situation happened to me on Del Mar Drive. I had exited Spanish Springs. After passing through the gate, I was behind a motorized wheelchair moving slower than Fred Sanford. At the first intersection where the white line stopped I pulled out, passed it and pulled back in before the next white line. I was watching for :police:

Laker14 02-05-2023 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2183705)
316.2045 Obstruction of public streets, highways, and roads.—
(1)(a) A person may not willfully obstruct the free, convenient, and normal use of a public street, highway, or road by:
1. Impeding, hindering, stifling, retarding, or restraining traffic or passage thereon;


Note that Florida law defines a street as being obstructed when traffic is being impeded, retarded etc. It does not seem to require that traffic be completely blocked for an obstruction to exist.

Could a sharp lawyer make an argument that under the law the slow golf cart represented an impediment and restraint to the normal use of the road. And this statute calls such an impediment an OBSTRUCTION

You're welcome. Now you better be prepared to show that you passed a golf cart that was going very much under the speed limit, not that your souped up illegal cart wanted to fly by a cart going only 18 MPH.

It also might be best to not pull out when there is a cop in the lane, as clearly the person who got the ticket did so in front of a cop

Ok, this makes more sense to me. Seems to me in practical application, the only problem you might run into is passing another golf cart, which probably isn't going to be necessary, unless as someone else stated, you feel the need to pass the 18mph golf cart because you want to go 20+.
Bikes are OK to pass, and it's OK to turn left, or to avoid a hazard, which I would assume would include a stopped utility vehicle, or even one going very slowly while spraying or mowing.
I think, personally, I can live with this. But then, I am not one who needs to pass so I can go 20+.

dewilson58 02-05-2023 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardlyworking (Post 2183738)
Not necessarily. Rental carts are governed at 14 mph.

Fake News.

Family just (last week) rented from The Villages, ran 20 mph.

Bilyclub 02-05-2023 01:07 PM

I might have missed it, but does it say what street and where the ticket was written. I can see the Sheriff taking heat for all the accidents happening on Morse, North of 466.

jimjamuser 02-05-2023 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2183360)


I guess one has to make a value judgement. What is more valuable? The money I might have to pay on the slim chance I get ticketed, or the time I'll waste over the course of my remaining days on earth waiting for slow traffic?

I'll take my chances passing the bicyclist going 5mph up the incline.

I would just ask, what about the life of the person that you are passing or the person that through NO fault of their own gets hit in a head-on collision? I prefer to take a mental margarita and be HAPPY that I am retired and left that HURRY, hurry stuff in my rearview mirror. But, unfortunately, humans are a creature of habit.

jimjamuser 02-05-2023 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2183414)
I agree - you are technically spot on. Take the muti-modal trails when you are running late for your tee time!

Some might ask . "whose fault is that LATE business " anyway? Tee times are not quite as important as something important like getting to a hospital or a fireman to a fire. Or Police to a home robbery.

DaveK 02-05-2023 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2183456)
I have been driving since 1966, and I still remember my driving instructor stating you NEVER cross double yellow lines or solid WHITE lines to pass. On a side note, I see this all the time on Pinellas Place.

VT is correct. I have been driving 12 years longer that him and it was that way when I took Driver's Ed. The rule of law in almost all states is that you are not permitted to cross a solid line of any color. The color only indicates whether there is opposing traffic (yellow) or traffic moving in your direction (white). In the glorious six lanes of traffic in downtown Atlanta, the HOV lane is separated from the other five lanes by a solid white line. Periodically, this solid white line changes to a dashed line where drivers are permitted to exit or enter the HOV lane.

jimjamuser 02-05-2023 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2183456)
I have been driving since 1966, and I still remember my driving instructor stating you NEVER cross double yellow lines or solid WHITE lines to pass. On a side note, I see this all the time on Pinellas Place.

That just shows that there are NOT enough Police in TV Land. If there were then people would NOT be driving recklessly. Also,, what happens if there is some kind of a "whacko shooter" incident here in The Villages like we are seeing INCREASING around the country? Do we have to wait until they get here from Ocala or Orlando?
......If local Police are NOT numerous enough to stop SIMPLE reckless driving, how can we count on them to provide SAFETY in a serious situation? Is local property taxes NOT high enough to hire MORE officers?

jimjamuser 02-05-2023 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LAFwUs (Post 2183534)
Its most likely NOT that you cannot pass, its that there is not enough diamond lane space to actually pass, without crossing the white lane stripe and then occupying the vehicular traffic lane.
Its the "use" of the vehicular lane by non licensed, slow speed vehicle that's at issue.
Its a technicality,
that as pointed out, land contradictory to driveway/turn lane use by carts or when the cart path ends and merges with vehicular lane as they sometimes do.

Further to the point, what about when walkers that are facing the wrong way, walking in the diamond lane?
On coming cart traffic isn't suppose to drift out and pass them on the outside? Hows that work exactly?

I've encountered some walkers that refuse to even budge an inch, as if right or wrong, a contact encounter with an oncoming cart doing 25mph is somehow going to be a winning situation for them....

Just today, I pulled up to a stop sign in a residential area. As I eased out so that I could see around about a 3 ft diameter hedge plant that someone had planted right up to the street. (maybe to keep cars from turning on their grass or sprinkles). As I SLOWLY pulled out to turn right, I saw a woman walking a dog about 25 % into the street and walking toward me. Suddenly, I saw a car coming fast and the driver had pulled around the lady and was full out IN the lane of the 2 lane street that I intended to turn into. If I had taken the turn like some people do in a rolling stop, he would have hit me. If I had NOT been paying attention and driving defensively and braked hard, he would have hit me.
....... So my bigger question is...........Why would someone plant a bush near a stop sign and close to the street so that a car can not see to their right? And why do NOT the community service people driving around have the AUTHORITY and competence to be able to FORESEE problems in advance - that the landscaping in peoples' yards can cause an accident. I have seen MORE than one situation where landscaping can CAUSE an accident. I have NEVER in 10 years heard that Community Service issued a warning ticket about PASSIVE SAFETY issues like that !

jimjamuser 02-05-2023 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 2183600)
Whats the worry, I watch cars, lawn service, UPS, and USPS trucks exhilarating, crossing the double yellow, to get ahead of the merging golf cart traffic, that has already merged, all over the Villages.

Guessing they aren’t worried about a potential ticket

Again, we need more Police and dedicated ones because if they MISS the little things, they are going to MESS up the life and death emergencies.

Bogie Shooter 02-05-2023 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2183875)
Just today, I pulled up to a stop sign in a residential area. As I eased out so that I could see around about a 3 ft diameter hedge plant that someone had planted right up to the street. (maybe to keep cars from turning on their grass or sprinkles). As I SLOWLY pulled out to turn right, I saw a woman walking a dog about 25 % into the street and walking toward me. Suddenly, I saw a car coming fast and the driver had pulled around the lady and was full out IN the lane of the 2 lane street that I intended to turn into. If I had taken the turn like some people do in a rolling stop, he would have hit me. If I had NOT been paying attention and driving defensively and braked hard, he would have hit me.
....... So my bigger question is...........Why would someone plant a bush near a stop sign and close to the street so that a car can not see to their right? And why do NOT the community service people driving around have the AUTHORITY and competence to be able to FORESEE problems in advance - that the landscaping in peoples' yards can cause an accident. I have seen MORE than one situation where landscaping can CAUSE an accident. I have NEVER in 10 years heard that Community Service issued a warning ticket about PASSIVE SAFETY issues like that !

Maybe they could answer your questions. Your observation is serious enough to let them know.

Community Watch
1135 Bonita Boulevard
The Villages, FL 32162

Phone: 352-753-0550

Papa_lecki 02-05-2023 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilyclub (Post 2183816)
I might have missed it, but does it say what street and where the ticket was written. I can see the Sheriff taking heat for all the accidents happening on Morse, North of 466.

I’m calling fake news….

Officer to golf cart driver: license and uuuh regis…drivers license please?
golf cart driver: i dont need a driver’s license to operate a golf cart
Officer: name
Golf cart driver: My name is Chi Chi Sanchez
….
Get the point, to whom do you write the ticker, what’s the penalty? Fine? Don’t share your address? Loss of license?

JMintzer 02-05-2023 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2183814)
Fake News.

Family just (last week) rented from The Villages, ran 20 mph.

They admitted they weren't sure about the speed in a subsequent post...

sad_sack 02-05-2023 05:29 PM

To the OP - What is N***D***? Why don't you spell it out to begin with?

JMintzer 02-05-2023 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sad_sack (Post 2183907)
To the OP - What is N***D***? Why don't you spell it out to begin with?

N e x t D o o r. The software here does prohibit certain words/phrases. Don't know if that is one of them...

Hardlyworking 02-05-2023 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2183814)
Fake News.

Family just (last week) rented from The Villages, ran 20 mph.

Just stating my experience.

jimjamuser 02-05-2023 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2183605)
If there is no traffic to hit you and no officer to give you a ticket then yes. (if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it.....)

How about if you are in a car on a two-way road with a solid yellow line to your left. When you come to an intersection the solid yellow line is broken for the length of the intersection. Can you now go into the oncoming lane, around the slower car in front of you, then back into your lane (pass in an intersection)?

No, Not really.

jimjamuser 02-05-2023 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fishon (Post 2183612)
Bicycles are hazards.

Not so. Bicycles transport people without pollution or using gasoline and thus keep the cost of gasoline down. So, bicyclists are to be PRAISED.

Number 10 GI 02-05-2023 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2183527)
You aren't required to have a drivers license to drive a golf cart in Florida. You aren't required to take any test, or read any manual.

I never said a person needed a driver's license to operate a golf cart, I was pointing out where it could be found that crossing a white line to pass is illegal. Someone was wanting a source.
It is in the best interest of anyone operating a golf cart or even a bicycle to know the applicable traffic laws. When a person is operating their cart or a bicycle on a public street, they are required to obey the law. Ignorance of the traffic laws is no excuse and can be detrimental to your physical health and detrimental to the financial health of your wallet.

jimjamuser 02-05-2023 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2183622)
Ok. Now the elephant in the room…..Top speed on my cart is 20 mph. I do see it reach 21 mph downhill or in a strong tailwind. EVERYBODY passes me. Should I “adjust” that little spring so I can increase speed by 5 mph?! Probably illegal but it would help a lot of cart drivers behind me better avoid a ticket. A conundrum.

So should you break a law (raise speed) to keep someone else from breaking the law and speeding? A better solution would be for the Police to stop Golf cars OFTEN and check to see if the owner has been jerking around and setting the speed up illegally. That is another problem that COULD be solved by MORE and dedicated Police.
.......I RARELY see ANY Police driving in the residential areas and I see both carts and other vehicles speeding. Basically there are little apprehensions or equipment fines, so it is NO wonder that reckless driving happens.

photo1902 02-05-2023 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2183930)
So should you break a law (raise speed) to keep someone else from breaking the law and speeding? A better solution would be for the Police to stop Golf cars OFTEN and check to see if the owner has been jerking around and setting the speed up illegally. That is another problem that COULD be solved by MORE and dedicated Police.
.......I RARELY see ANY Police driving in the residential areas and I see both carts and other vehicles speeding. Basically there are little apprehensions or equipment fines, so it is NO wonder that reckless driving happens.

Such a drama queen


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