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njbchbum 09-23-2018 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BK001 (Post 1583977)
You sound like a very nice person.

Thanx - I am - if I do say so myself! ;)

I gave up judging people in Sept 1966 when a college roomie commented to one of my comments - "Who are you to judge?" I thank Judy P for that wake up call!

graciegirl 09-23-2018 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1584154)
Thanx - I am - if I do say so myself! ;)

I gave up judging people in Sept 1966 when a college roomie commented to one of my comments - "Who are you to judge?" I thank Judy P for that wake up call!

Danged nice. AND FUNNY. And practical...…..and principled and responsible. And just the right age.

njbchbum 09-23-2018 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1584155)
Danged nice. AND FUNNY. And practical...…..and principled and responsible. And just the right age.

Birds of our feather flock together, Gracie! :)

Nucky 09-23-2018 09:19 PM

There, in fact, is a permanent cure to these problems that some people have. Use your imagination. Simple and cheap too!

BK001 09-24-2018 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1584206)
There, in fact, is a permanent cure to these problems that some people have. Use your imagination. Simple and cheap too!

Along these lines, there is a fabulous movie (Golden Globe and Emmy-winning) from 1995, called CITIZEN X with Donald Sutherland, Stephen Rea and Max von Sydow. You can watch it for free on youtube:

Citizen X (1995) HD - YouTube

True story of a serial killer/necrophiliac. Interesting to see how the Russians dealt with this individual. A movie I could watch again every couple of years.

blueash 09-24-2018 07:56 AM

There have been two [or more] postings claiming that pedophilia is not treatable. That is wrong. There is a large body of literature on the treatment of pedophilia. Use Google Scholar and search for treatment of pedophilia and get updated.
This is a good first link.

Gpsma 09-24-2018 07:58 AM

There is an individual in my Village that has been accused of being on a file sharing site where he allegedly downloaded child porn.

I guess he attempted suicide after his arrest and failed. I suppose he tried to hang himself and now wears one of those neck cages.

My guess is this guy probably never committed a crime in his life, held a good job and never molested a child.

Im sort of ambivalent about arrests for watching child pornography. I agree that it is highly inappropriate and downright sickening but what real crime is he commtting? Watching a sick video?

Its quite likely he never did and never would touch a child. He probably gets his sick jollies just watching it. If convicted, he may go away for many years. I guess I find it odd that he can be sent to a prison never having hurt anyone and just watching a video.

theruizs 09-24-2018 08:14 AM

If a pedophile moves here isn’t it a possible sign he/she is trying to keep themselves away from temptations? It would certainly concern me if I knew my neighbor was a convicted pedophile and likely affect how much contact I would have. But the same would be true if they had been convicted of murder, drug trafficking, armed robbery, other types of child abuse, etc. But I believe that people are capable of change and deserve that chance. For me, I think I would rather not know any of that about my neighbors so I can build my own experience with them based on who they are here and now. But if they find my body buried in my neighbors backyard one day, I reserve the right to change my mind!

CFrance 09-24-2018 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1584259)
There is an individual in my Village that has been accused of being on a file sharing site where he allegedly downloaded child porn.

I guess he attempted suicide after his arrest and failed. I suppose he tried to hang himself and now wears one of those neck cages.

My guess is this guy probably never committed a crime in his life, held a good job and never molested a child.

Im sort of ambivalent about arrests for watching child pornography. I agree that it is highly inappropriate and downright sickening but what real crime is he commtting? Watching a sick video?

Its quite likely he never did and never would touch a child. He probably gets his sick jollies just watching it. If convicted, he may go away for many years. I guess I find it odd that he can be sent to a prison never having hurt anyone and just watching a video.

Somebody had to make that video, and by watching it he is contributing to the demand for such a thing. Plus I read some of that is pay-per-view. It darn well should be illegal to download.

graciegirl 09-24-2018 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1584258)
There have been two [or more] postings claiming that pedophilia is not treatable. That is wrong. There is a large body of literature on the treatment of pedophilia. Use Google Scholar and search for treatment of pedophilia and get updated.
This is a good first link.

Do you think it is a sexual orientation?

I think that a person's sexual orientation is innate, almost all of the time. A genetic thing. I think I remember you disagreed with that.

lindaelane 09-24-2018 08:52 AM

So...why? According to Umansky Law Firm: "While existing Florida law already restricted sexual offenders from living within 1,000 feet of parks, schools and other child-friendly places, various local ordinances set additional limitations, referred to as “no-go zones,” to further exclude this group of individuals from certain areas."

So can they even shop in places near schools and parks? I think the answer is no. Do they have a lot of trouble, vandalism, violence directed at them if there are kids in the neighborhood where they live? Its often the case. Also, they have to sell their house/move if a new school or park opens.

There is an entire town down near the Everglades where sex offenders live. There is a tacit agreement not to put schools/churches/parks etc. near this town.

For the most part, I do not sympathize with convicted sex offenders since their "suffering" is so much less than that of their victims. Admittedly, there are a few who are people who got too friendly at, for example, age 19 with a 17 year old girlfriend/boyfriend. I've seen documentaries on this. At any rate, TV is adult - not much chance of breaking the laws on proximity. I checked when I moved here and there is a sex offender on the next block. I think I know who. He keeps to himself. I think its not my business as long as he keeps to himself. However, I do think any grandparent whose grandkids will visit needs to google up the sex offender map. Otherwise I think we will be OK. We can't put them all in the Everglades.

OhioBuckeye 09-24-2018 09:43 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1583957)
The other site reports them when they move in and shows their picture. There are probably other people who are previously convicted of bad stuff who live here too.

There is nothing we can do to keep them out or make them leave. Their rights are protected. Only kids under nineteen can be excluded. They can only visit here a total of 30 days in a year.

I really believe that we have an awful lot of good people who have never been in trouble with the law, and have always paid their bills and taken care of their responsibilities who live here. But I was born optimistic and went to a retreat once where they said it was best to try to find good in situations and people. Every once in awhile I remember to do that. Most of the time I jump to conclusions.

You're right, we do have 95.5% good people living here. But your question was the bad people live here too. Yes, you're right about that too & these people aren't going to share their prison time or the felony they committed to the sales office, then it'll be to late just to tell them to leave because you have a record. Guess we just got to hope we don't have any disasters here with these people. But you know as well as I do, even a good person could go bad!

banjobob 09-24-2018 09:54 AM

I have no problem living in neighbor hood with gay , bi or trans individuals just don't flaunt it to me I don't care or want to know what your do in you bedroom, pedophiles well thats another story surgical lifestyle change should be in order if convicted of sexual abuse.

Villageswimmer 09-24-2018 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1584270)
Somebody had to make that video, and by watching it he is contributing to the demand for such a thing. Plus I read some of that is pay-per-view. It darn well should be illegal to download.


Absolutely! It wouldn’t exist if bad guys weren’t making $ from it and the children wouldn’t be hurt in the creating of it. How could anyone want to look at it? Despicable and depraved.

Gpsma 09-24-2018 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Villageswimmer (Post 1584368)
Absolutely! It wouldn’t exist if bad guys weren’t making $ from it and the children wouldn’t be hurt in the creating of it. How could anyone want to look at it? Despicable and depraved.

That was the original premise of banning child pornography. It seems that is no longer the case. Most child porn is shared, not sold, on the internet.

blueash 09-24-2018 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1584278)
Do you think it is a sexual orientation?

I think that a person's sexual orientation is innate, almost all of the time. A genetic thing. I think I remember you disagreed with that.

You are confusing different aspects of sexuality. Orientation has to do with preferring a gender of your partner whether same and/or different than your own. It has nothing to do with age. So as a cis straight male my preferred partner is a female of legal age. When I was 22 that was certainly not a 65 year old woman although it would have been legal and consistent with my genetically influenced orientation. So age preference is mutable. As can be other physical characteristics of choice, body shape, hair color, race, tattoos etc.

I don't recall having ever suggested that orientation was not innate. There are likely genetic, epigenetic, and both intra and extra uterine environmental factors in play.

VillageIdiots 09-24-2018 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thetruth (Post 1583975)
We've had zealots post names of all registered gun owners. Sex offenders is also out there.

I assume your intent was NOT to draw some sort of moral (or immoral) equivalency between these 2 demographics. Though I'm sure there are some out there that would do so if there was a chance it could further an agenda. For me, being on a published list of legal gun owners wouldn't scare me anywhere near as much as being on a published list of non-owners. How are those gun-free zone signs working out so far?

lorilorilori 09-24-2018 09:46 PM

Stop and think - why is this one crime singled out ? Why isn't there a drug dealers registry ? A Felons registry? An arsonist list ? Animal abuser List ? Murderers List ?
A lot of hidden money behind the Sex Offender Registry. It has made millions for some people and some companies. Interesting fact.

Fredman 09-24-2018 10:49 PM

Just had a pedophile move into the neighborhood. Don’t know what to make of it. Fortunately there are no kids in the neighborhood. But, if he wants to buy one of my golf carts I’m cool with that.

graciegirl 09-25-2018 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lorilorilori (Post 1584576)
Stop and think - why is this one crime singled out ? Why isn't there a drug dealers registry ? A Felons registry? An arsonist list ? Animal abuser List ? Murderers List ?
A lot of hidden money behind the Sex Offender Registry. It has made millions for some people and some companies. Interesting fact.

I am really confused by this statement. I can't see how it makes money. I would want to know who was drawn sexually to small children if I had small grandchildren who visited us.

Joeg180 09-25-2018 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1584607)
I am really confused by this statement. I can't see how it makes money. I would want to know who was drawn sexually to small children if I had small grandchildren who visited us.

There are companies that manage and deliver data for law enforcement agencies. The information should be public domain, but the management of that information is disjointed.
Companies put it in a format that any agency can quickly access. This is where the $$ is made by selling this service to agencies and communities.

I could be wrong, but i have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express in the past.

l2ridehd 09-25-2018 07:00 AM

No matter where we have lived in the past, you have had these folks and other terrible people living next door to you. The difference is that now you know about it.

When I was growing up we would never know that a hurricane hit Puerto Rico until we read about it in the newspaper a week or more after it was over. Now we watch it in real time.

We never knew about anything until after the fact. And most times if it didn't happen within your town or state, you never even read about it.

Sexual abuse has always been there. From the times of ancient Egypt to today it has been part of our lives. Today we just know about it.

If you think back to your days of growing up, many of us were sexually abused by today's definition and standards. I remember those two older girl twins that used to walk me home from school. They taught me all kinds of things. But even now as I look back on it, it din't create any issues.

Today everybody thinks someone is bad. Pedophiles are probably the worst, but they have always been there, lived near you, but in the past you never knew. Today we are better informed.

Madelaine Amee 09-25-2018 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 1584614)
No matter where we have lived in the past, you have had these folks and other terrible people living next door to you. The difference is that now you know about it.

When I was growing up we would never know that a hurricane hit Puerto Rico until we read about it in the newspaper a week or more after it was over. Now we watch it in real time.

We never knew about anything until after the fact. And most times if it didn't happen within your town or state, you never even read about it.

Sexual abuse has always been there. From the times of ancient Egypt to today it has been part of our lives. Today we just know about it.

If you think back to your days of growing up, many of us were sexually abused by today's definition and standards. I remember those two older girl twins that used to walk me home from school. They taught me all kinds of things. But even now as I look back on it, it din't create any issues.

Today everybody thinks someone is bad. Pedophiles are probably the worst, but they have always been there, lived near you, but in the past you never knew. Today we are better informed.

Well put .............. I have been reading through this post as it evolved and I have the same conclusion as you. They have ALWAYS lived among us, but we were not necessarily aware of what they were doing due to the lack of information, now everything is out in the open for all to read.

If you want proof of Pedophilia being around forever, check out the old masters paintings in the various famous world art galleries and see what the old men in the paintings are doing to young girls .............

goldseekur 09-25-2018 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by lorilorilori (Post 1583971)
I would have no problem cause the truth behind all this media hype against sex crimes
is to overshadow the drug problem. Murderers, rapist, embezzlers, bank robbers and
DRUG DEALERS are not on the "LIST." The public is being DUPED into thinking the "LIST"
is important for public safety over a DRUG DEALERS LIST (which doesn't exist).

Thanks to the likes of John Walsh, Chris Hansen and Lauren and Ron Book - they have
made millions off the registry - while Drug Dealers are free to roam the schools and
neighborhoods killing people, turning girls into the street trade of prostitution etc.

Sex offenders have the lowest rate of recividism. Drug dealers the highest.
A murderer or animal abuser can live next to you - and you would not know it.
Cause the "List" is a smoke screen cause the govt isn't willing to take on the
drug trade openly and in the same manner as the "list."

Very insightful! I guess I never really thought about it but you are so right.

lorilorilori 09-25-2018 09:34 AM

How it makes $$$$ you ask. The RSO is ordered to go to class - makes alot of $$$$ for ITM group.
Senator Lauren Book and her da da gets 3 miliion in tax dollars cause her nanny touched her.
John Walsh has made millions on the death of his son but record has it he had a 17 YO girlfriend.
Chris Hansen has made $$$ off his tv program.
Then there are numerous "non profit" agencies making $$$$ off the registry, selling products etc.
Then there are a boat load of probation officers, doc workers, sheriff, police, law enforcement assigned
to this one crime using up your tax $$$$$$$ when they could and should be going after worst criminals.
Now there are bands of homeless men that can not be tracked cause no place to live which costs more
tax $$$$ finding them.
This goes on and on. Ignorance is bliss and the public has been blissfully ignorant.

Laurabner 09-25-2018 07:56 PM

You are only speaking of the ones that have been caught. I’m sure there are lot more.

Topspinmo 09-25-2018 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeg180 (Post 1584609)
There are companies that manage and deliver data for law enforcement agencies. The information should be public domain, but the management of that information is disjointed.
Companies put it in a format that any agency can quickly access. This is where the $$ is made by selling this service to agencies and communities.

I could be wrong, but i have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express in the past.

Any site you visit online or take telemarketing call selling personnel information. How do you think FB guru, free credit report, and other became billionaire's. Matter fact IMO free site on web collecting information which includes free email services.


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