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Hardlyworking 07-07-2023 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2232693)
Have you noticed that movie theaters are not being opened by movie buffs? For better or worse the economics of movie theaters have changed and the industry is shrinking.
Yeah but there seems to be so manu movie buffs that think TV shout reopen and lose money, why not the buffs give it a whirl. Sarcasm much?

rsmurano 07-07-2023 04:15 AM
Sumter already has a movie theater and it’s not sold out. I also heard the Springs has a theater that charges for old flicks, that’s something I wouldn’t do, I can stream those. I do go once and a while to new movie releases at Sumter sq.

Worldseries27 07-07-2023 05:12 AM
Does it always have to be about the money? What about restoring the villages to mr schwartz's ideals. A man of class and vision.

KShowalter 07-07-2023 05:15 AM
Drive In Theaters
 
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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2232585)
If they would sell me the theatre for .5m I would seriously consider it. At least worth getting the stats on it. I was thinking a golf cart drive in would be fun in TV. In SRQ during the pandemic years we held a drive in on weekends at UTC. Filled every spot every weekend.
We still have a drive-in theater in my home town in Virginia and it is packed every weekend. Half of the theater is G=Rated and half is R-Rated so everyone gets to come. There is a concession stand. This theater has been written up in the Washington Post as one of the last ones in business but it remains successful. The movies shown are all current for the most part. The idea of a outdoor golf cart theater would be great.

As far as the playhouse I would love to see it open as well for movies, comedy acts, boozy bingo, etc.; anything to keep it's doors open.

SusanStCatherine 07-07-2023 05:25 AM
Morse Family Worth Billions
 
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2232639)
The developers already have made themselves millions. But they do still advertise the Villages as having three movie theaters. It is not about making money but having things like pickleball courts, basketball courts, swimming pools, billiard tables, dancing venues, etc. Quality of life for the home owners and their families. And movie theaters were part of that promise.

But this is a company town so they can pretty much do whatever they want until people leaving makes them do something else.
Billions not Millions. The Morse family's wealth was over $3 billion way back in 2018,. Mark Morse, Jennifer Parr, and Tracy (Mathews for awhile) Morse are all billionaires.

dewilson58 07-07-2023 05:32 AM
:sigh:

msilagy 07-07-2023 05:45 AM
Movie theaters will be gone gone gone for the most part....drive to Sumter Landing and hope that stays open. Times are changing quickly with the very popular streaming opportunity everyone has - spent money to go to Sumter theatre only to find that movie with Tom Hanks on Netflix a few months later! This is not a productive business opportunity for anyone - Theatre in my area up north struggling to make it.

skippy05 07-07-2023 05:47 AM
Not so! Just a short drive up 441/27 to SE Ocala is a drive-in theater + flea market combo just waiting to see you.

Michael 61 07-07-2023 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Goldwingnut (Post 2232702)
Nothing I’ve seen in any plans or flights over the downtown area of Middletown indicate any plans or intentions to build a building big enough for a multi screen theater (single screen theater don’t make money). While some theaters are still popular and profitable, many are not and the trend continues to worsen nationwide. Younger audiences have different viewing preferences- phones and tablets - and do not desire to enjoy the big screen experience that previous generations have.

The low attendance at LSL’s theaters continue to prove the lack of profitability of the current market. The developer is not everyone’s rich uncle who is here to provide for our every wish, they are a business and businesses exist to make a profit. That’s not a bad thing, it’s how most of us living here in the villages were able to get here, the companies we worked for or owned made a profit and we received a portion of the profits, saved some of it, and eventually retired here.

So to the OP, your petition idea is a waste of time, a fool’s errand. If you want the theater opened the prove the developer’s business decision is wrong, open you checkbook, lease the property and make it a profitable business venture. Don’t expect someone else to fund your fool’s errand.

Don’t agree with me, fine, prove me wrong.
Well said Don, I am in complete agreement with you. When I posted about Middleton, I knew I was “reaching”, thanks for clarifying about the buildings and infrastructure going in at Middleton - I look forward to your future videos as Middleton develops and builds out.

Bogie Shooter 07-07-2023 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2232663)
You are being too kind. They are just flat out lying about having three theaters. I have asked them several times to update their website, and they have refused to do it. It is an intentional lie.
What is the process of “asking them”? What is the Developer’s phone number?

retiredguy123 07-07-2023 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2232739)
What is the process of “asking them”? What is the Developer’s phone number?
Go to "thevillages.com" website and click on "contact us" at the bottom. There is a live chat option, an email/feedback option, and a phone number where you can leave a voice mail for a call back. I have used all three options several times with no response and no results.

dhdallas 07-07-2023 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bea&Mike (Post 2232557)
Get all the signatures you want but the theater is never going to reopen. The developer is not in the business of operating a venue that loses money. Movie theaters are as dead as Vaudeville.

Kabbage 07-07-2023 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 2232748)
Get all the signatures you want but the theater is never going to reopen. The developer is not in the business of operating a venue that loses money. Movie theaters are as dead as Vaudeville.
Maybe they should close the theater in Lake Sumter and open the one in Brownwood for a while then.

Keefelane66 07-07-2023 06:12 AM
I didn’t buy a 65” tv to watch the weather or news we get that on our phone/tablet. The TV is primarily used to watch movies/entertainment.
The convenance of home gives us a pause button, bathroom, fridge, microwave within 20+ feet.

mntlblok 07-07-2023 06:13 AM
Speakers
 
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Originally Posted by KShowalter (Post 2232725)
We still have a drive-in theater in my home town in Virginia and it is packed every weekend. Half of the theater is G=Rated and half is R-Rated so everyone gets to come. There is a concession stand. This theater has been written up in the Washington Post as one of the last ones in business but it remains successful. The movies shown are all current for the most part. The idea of a outdoor golf cart theater would be great.

As far as the playhouse I would love to see it open as well for movies, comedy acts, boozy bingo, etc.; anything to keep it's doors open.
All I can think about is those speakers and their posts that we used to deal with. :-)

paulajr 07-07-2023 06:18 AM
Ridiculous
 
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Originally Posted by Bea&Mike (Post 2232557)
Movie theatres will ALL be closed soon….obsolete.

Bogie Shooter 07-07-2023 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2232744)
Go to "thevillages.com" website and click on "contact us" at the bottom. There is a live chat option, an email/feedback option, and a phone number where you can leave a voice mail for a call back. I have used all three options several times with no response and no results.
So, you really didn’t get a refusal……………

retiredguy123 07-07-2023 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2232763)
So, you really didn’t get a refusal……………
If I send a detailed feedback message to them using their mode of communication, and they do not respond to me in any way or correct the incorrect website, I consider that a refusal.

HospitalCoder 07-07-2023 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Bea&Mike (Post 2232557)
I signed petition even though I prefer to watch at home. I think movie houses are an important piece of the entertainment and social environment of The Villages. Not everything has to turn a profit to be beneficial.

Freehiker 07-07-2023 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2232766)
If I send a detailed feedback message to them using their mode of communication, and they do not respond to me in any way or correct the incorrect website, I consider that a refusal.
Feedback doesn’t require a response.

jimkerr 07-07-2023 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bea&Mike (Post 2232557)
You can’t force someone to open a business if they don’t want to. This is America. The Morse family already publicly told us they wouldn’t reopen it.

If you think it’s such a great business idea, why don’t you talk to the villages commercial properties and lease the space and open your own theater?

retiredguy123 07-07-2023 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Freehiker (Post 2232779)
Feedback doesn’t require a response.
I don't understand your point. I didn't need a response to the feedback message, but they decided to not correct the website information that I described in the feedback message. Also, they did not return phone calls when I left voicemails.

Goldwingnut 07-07-2023 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2232703)
Again. The Villages is not made up of 20-30 year olds. It is made up of people from maybe 45 to 100+ years young. People who grew up with access to big screens in many theaters.

It is a question of promises made and not kept. Three open movie theaters is stated plainly TODAY on their website. It is a selling point.
The comment I was responding to was about the possibility of a theater in Middleton, again, not very likely.

With respect to the website showing 3 theaters, it is out of date and should be updated no doubt. However if you click on the links, only the LSL theater give schedule information, the rest are dead ends. We know that SS is dead, BW presents a bigger challenge for repurposing simply due to the size of the facility. While I don’t believe it is a willful deception, it is a minor inaccuracy that should be corrected, at least for SS.

If there not being more movie theaters in The Villages is a huge negative then I do not suggest you move away because you’ll more than likely be disappointed in short order no matter where you move to as the theater industry is imploding upon itself on a daily basis.

There are some very astute business people running the commercial districts of The Villages and if they don’t thing a theater can be profitable in this age demographic then I’ll side with them on this one. But, if someone thinks otherwise I’m sure they’ll lease them the facilities so they can have a go at it with their wallets at risk.

BlueStarAirlines 07-07-2023 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Worldseries27 (Post 2232724)
Does it always have to be about the money? What about restoring the villages to mr schwartz's ideals. A man of class and vision.
Didn't know Mr Schwartz or have any idea about his ideals. I've only lived in TV 18 months, but have only gone to 1 movie in a theatre in that time....and it was free during my lifestyle visit. I can wait for a few weeks and stream at home any movie that is currently in a theatre. If the LSL ended their $6 mondays, I bet the attendance numbers would be cut in half.

There is nothing a theatre provides that I don't have at home.

Goldwingnut 07-07-2023 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Worldseries27 (Post 2232724)
Does it always have to be about the money? What about restoring the villages to mr schwartz's ideals. A man of class and vision.
Surly you jest, HS was first and foremost a businessman, all you need do is study up on his background and early business dealings to know he was in it to be successful, and in business success is always about the bottom line, making a profit.

While I never met the man, I have many friends who knew him and did business with him and his son that have shared with me their impressions and experiences of dealing with an aggressive and focused team of businessmen. They were first and foremost salesmen, not the lowlife used car or snake oil type salesmen, but salesmen and businessmen 100% of the time. Yes they took great pride and believed in the product that they were selling. These men, and their descendants currently running the business, are focused on being successful and this has benefited both themselves, the residents who have chosen to move here, as well as the surrounding communities and many businesses that have grown as result of their efforts and vision.

So yes, it does have to be about the money. It ALWAYS has been and ALWAYS will be, because this is a business.

charlie1 07-07-2023 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Worldseries27 (Post 2232724)
Does it always have to be about the money? What about restoring the villages to mr schwartz's ideals. A man of class and vision.
Mr. Schwartz was a smart businessman! His vision was amazing! But do not be fooled. He never gave anything away. He just invested in the future! Everything he did was to bring in sales and profits. It worked and made the Family billions! I applaud him for his vision and the execution of the vision. I am sure that if he was still with us, he would continue to invest in the things that bring in sales and profits! The Theaters will not! They are dying all over the country! The Family has to continue to change its vision also as society changes. Again, Mr. Schwartz would be changing also. He showed us this again and again as The Villages developed.
He never stopped changing his vision and/or direction. If he had stopped the Villages would today consist of only the original trailer court! Let's give the whole family credit! They have followed Mr. Schwartz leadership example!

Jayhawk 07-07-2023 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2232659)
Many of the movies I have gone to of late at the Old Mill Playhouse were almost full to capacity especially on Monday All Seats $6.
Six-dollar tickets one day a week to old-timers who smuggle in their popcorn and drinks from home is a real money-making opportunity.

billethkid 07-07-2023 07:49 AM
Are those stating support willing to buy into an annual "movie theater membership" plus admission fees to sustain the establishments viability??

With prices continuing to go up as the participation dwindles.....like it has as evidenced by the closing of 2 of the 3 theaters.

Of course I jest!

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:censored:

Taltarzac725 07-07-2023 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 2232824)
Six-dollar tickets one day a week to old-timers who smuggle in their popcorn and drinks from home is a real money-making opportunity.
What is it that you people do not get? Movie theaters like basketball courts are features for homeowners and their visiting family members leading better lives in the Villages rather than having to go to Ocala or Leesburg to see movies on the big screens.

It is not about making money. I doubt if any of the Villages' theaters here ever made much of a profit. Any of them. You need a chain of them really to compete.

Jayhawk 07-07-2023 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2232639)
It is not about making money but having things like pickleball courts, basketball courts, swimming pools, billiard tables, dancing venues, etc. Quality of life for the home owners and their families. And movie theaters were part of that promise.
Nothing is PROMISED in business results. If it was, Ford would still be making the Edsel. And throwing money towards a losing proposition would take away from all the other things you listed (pickleball courts, basketball courts, swimming pools, billiard tables, dancing venues, etc). Sounds like a good decision to me.

Even Hollywood knows movies are dying.

25 movie stars who made the move to TV | Yardbarker

Taltarzac725 07-07-2023 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Bea&Mike (Post 2232557)
Congrats on getting past a thousand signatures!!!

Taltarzac725 07-07-2023 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 2232843)
Nothing is PROMISED in business results. If it was, Ford would still be making the Edsel. And throwing money towards a losing proposition would take away from all the other things you listed (pickleball courts, basketball courts, swimming pools, billiard tables, dancing venues, etc). Sounds like a good decision to me.

Even Hollywood knows movies are dying.

25 movie stars who made the move to TV | Yardbarker
Throwing money? How much would reopening Brownwood's theater cost? Not very much. Not for the developers. It would cost a great deal for someone else though. And I am sure the developers would ask for an arm and a leg.

tophcfa 07-07-2023 08:09 AM
The petition will get filed right next to the petitions to reopen Katie Bells, rebuild the clubhouse, restaurant, pool, and tennis courts at Hacienda Hills, and bring back the farmers market and two hour happy hour at Spanish Springs.

Taltarzac725 07-07-2023 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2232848)
The petition will get filed right next to the petitions to reopen Katie Bells, rebuild the clubhouse, restaurant, pool, and tennis courts at Hacienda Hills, and bring back the farmers market and two hour happy hour at Spanish Springs.
Probably true. It is the green they are after. They will put something in where they can get 4 times the profit of the movie theater.

Jayhawk 07-07-2023 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2232840)
What is it that you people do not get? Movie theaters like basketball courts are features for better leading better lives in the Villages rather than having to go to Ocala or Leesburg to see movies on the big screens.

It is not about making money. I doubt if the theaters here ever made much of a profit. Any of them. You need a chain of them really to compete.
Out of 130,000 + residents fewer than a couple hundred pay to go to movies daily around here. So the Great Benefactor should use their money to support what you admit are fiscally losing businesses?

I'll return the same question - What is it that you people do not get?

And by the way, similar to the current theater situation, I've never seen a busy basketball court anywhere in The Villages.

Taltarzac725 07-07-2023 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 2232851)
Out of 130,000 + residents fewer than a couple hundred pay to go to movies daily around here. So the Great Benefactor should use their money to support what you admit are fiscally losing businesses?

I'll return the same question - What is it that you people do not get?

And by the way, similar to the current theater situation, I've never seen a busy basketball court anywhere in The Villages.
Not a business but an attraction marketed by the developers as having three open theaters. Same as the basketball courts, rec centers, swimming pools, etc. Not the golf courses as they are the bread and butter of the Villages.

tophcfa 07-07-2023 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2232649)
The entire village of Richmond sold out in about 10 minutes, and it wasn’t because of the 3 movie theaters.
Nope, the investors picking up rental properties to eventually flip weren’t overly concerned about movie theaters.

Marmaduke 07-07-2023 08:24 AM
Of course, with streaming, theaters are a dying entity, much like drive-ins, newspapers, telephone booths and mailboxes, etc.

Slightly off topic, there's a real winner in theatres right now and its one that Disney passed on.
Count me IN.

It went independent, way under budget and it's opening day, July 4th bypassed what they thought would be the big summer movie.

It's sold out daily in advance, in Ocala and people are having trouble getting tickets.

Sound of Freedom.

It's at LSL theatre until at least the 13th.

Sadly, it's based on a true story that many of the colleagues across the aisle want to deny.

It's touted as a conservative thriller.

Taltarzac725 07-07-2023 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Marmaduke (Post 2232861)
Of course, with streaming, theaters are a dying entity, much like drive-ins, newspapers, telephone booths and mailboxes, etc.

Slightly off topic, there's a real winner in theatres right now and its one that Disney passed on.
Count me IN.

It went independent, way under budget and it's opening day, July 4th bypassed what they thought would be the big summer movie.

It's sold out daily in advance, in Ocala and people are having trouble getting tickets.

Sound of Freedom.

It's at LSL theatre until at least the 13th.

Sadly, it's based on a true story that many of the colleagues across the aisle want to deny.

It's touted as a conservative thriller.
Sound of Freedom (2022) - IMDb

I will look for it.

Sound of Freedom - Rotten Tomatoes

Hardly sounds like a "conservative thriller". Just a story that needs telling.

Lottoguy 07-07-2023 08:51 AM
Pefecet site and size for a bowling alley. This would be very profitable.


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