It goes with the territory. Encountered an incredibly creative and nasty cyberbully on Findlaw in 2002 who never let up. It turned out he was the person I was travelling all over the Tampa Bay area to help with his criminal defense case. He was a white collar defendant. Tracked him down when I knew who he was and the police department person I talked to knew the person well. He was kind of a gadfly there. The person who called me thought it was kind of funny. Probably because they were looking at Findlaw and it took me years to figure out it was this guy. He was very two faced online. I think I saw the last of him just after I moved to the Villages in 2005. I stopped using Findlaw around 2006 and heard Talk Host talk about Talk of the Villages in July of 2007 at a Villages Computer Club meeting. Talk Host used to be a co-owner of Talk of the Villages or something like that.

He was business man who had defrauded someone allegedly. And they were trying to get him convicted for it.

Most of the other cyberbullies I have run into look like people of maybe 12 year old maturity.

agree with you. Cannot understand people defending what amounts to pennies for an entity that misleads potential buyers to this very day

1) Well, hope you don't move.

2) Technically, aren't there are three theaters..............but only one is operational.

3) You can only go to one theater at a time......so it ain't that painful (1 vs. 2 vs. 3) is it??

4) Cyber b's are every where, probably less in TV vs. other places.

Peace

The Talk of the Villagers moderators keep things peaceful.

What I do not understand is that it would bring about a lot of good will if the developers had at least two movie theaters open. Good will is worth a huge amount of money.

Do think good business people know the importance of good will. And it is very hard to get back once gone.

The family goes thru Pro's & Con's on a weekly basis.

With Mark's presentation regarding the theaters and the industry and getting movies and splitting the proceeds...............I'm happy TV has one theater (mostly since i can get there in my cart) and that the one & only is "in the middle" of TV.

TV has millions of dollars sitting idle (fixed cost), that tells me they weren't even able to cover their variable expenses and put an impactful amount towards the fixed costs.

The family understands goodwill. But if the petition is turned in with only 1% or 2% of the population signing it..............that will only confirm to the family they made a good decision to close two out of three.

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Agree. Essentially what the developer has done is promise certain amenities, keep mention of those amenities in their advertising literature, then take the amenity away and not change the literature. It's just not ethical. It's obvious that there are not a lot of movie goers on the forum, so many are not concerned. But suppose they took away one of the softball fields, or an archery range, or your favorite golf course? Boy you'd hear about it then. Look what happened at Hacienda. People bought on the golf course, thinking they were near the country club, an the developer just decided to demolish it and build whatever. And how many people bought their homes in an area, to be told that there would be no more expansion? That the Villages would stop at a certain point. Right, yeah. The lesson from all this is that you can't trust the Developer.

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They are getting close to 2500 signatures.

How does it matter?

Probably does not as the developers can do whatever they want as far as I can tell. We have one working movie theater and their marketing literature says we have three.

I do like how they worded the petition. Well done on their part.

As I said before they need to change the literature in line with what we have.

I do believe that if the economics said additional theaters would be profitable they would be here.

Not to mention if the developer thought he was losing sales due to lack of theaters they would be open already.

Petition * Reopen Barnstorm Theater to Provide Adequate Public Theater in Brownwood, The Village FL! * Change.org

They are closing in on 2500 signers.

I have had a very wide assortment of movie and TV stars on my Facebook page and had e-mailed many of them back in the early 2000s. And our house in Rohnert Park was across from the Red Lion Inn where they had some kind of agreement with Hollywood that they could park their movie trailers on their parking lot while they made movies in Sonoma and other surrounding counties.

Have felt a certain connection to the movies since 1992 or so.

Demonstrated lack of understanding.
1) the movie theaters are NOT amenities, they are privately owned businesses, so they have not taken any amenities away by shuttering these businesses.
2) North of SR44 they could not touch a single amenity, the amenities - ball fields, pickle ball courts, rec centers, pools, executive golf courses, etc. are owned by the local government - the VCCDD or the SLCDD. South of SR44 they could possibly eliminate some amenities but the legal and business impact ramifications of such actions would be huge and not worth any possible cost savings.
3) Hacienda Hills CC was a privately owned business on a privately owned golf course (all the championship courses are privately owned property and are NOT amenities), the CC went out of business because they couldn't make a profit selling ice water and air conditioning while people brought in outside food and drinks.
4) The only time that the growth had the potential to stop and was a factual statement was at SR44 when state law was limiting the growth of the community, it was a legal issue. When the law changed, to the benefit of many thousands of workers in Sumter and surrounding counties, the growth was no longer restrained. As far is any other statements of stopping at a certain point, that was not statements made by the developer (some of their contracted sales staff may be guilty of such statements) and their actions early on support the continued growth that included all areas down to SR44 - withing 30 months of establishing CDD5 (3/19/2002), CDD10 was established (9/24/04) making it obvious that they intended to built to their legal limit at SR44.

The developer does a good job of keeping their intentions and plans hidden. To their dismay in recent years there are several such as myself that have found ways to legally uncover information about their plans and intentions and have made this information public. They've quickly learned that it's a new age and they'll have to work harder to keep their long-term plans out of sight. In my 9+ years of digging for information. watching their every move, and carefully collecting all the informaiton I can, I have never seen anything that was either dishonest or deserving of a loss of trust, the same cannot be said of some of the contracted sales staff. I have seen some actions by the developer that I saw as petty, mean, and thoughtless - FBC church of Leesburg on 466a and Grace Tabernacle Church on Morse Blvd - both not having golf cart accessibility - come quickly to mind - but these actions were not dishonest.

I agree with everything you said in your post except for one thing. What happened at Hacienda Hills is without a doubt deserving of a loss of trust for the unfortunate folks who bought homes near the old clubhouse, pool, pro shop, restaurant, and tennis courts at Hacienda Hills. I feel very sorry for fellow Villagers who paid a substantial premium to live in an area such as the 9th fairway on the Oaks course. What happened to them is simply not right! Hopefully future potential suckers will take note of what happened before they drop their hard earned money to pay a premium for a homesite on a Championship Golf Course.

Where did you get that the movie theaters are privately owned? I still see no evidence of that.

This is the owner of record for the Old Mill Playhouse--

Quote:
Owner Information
THE VILLAGES OPERATING COMPANY
3619 KIESSEL ROAD
THE VILLAGES, FL 32163
FEI/EIN Number: 20-4647826
Document Number: P06000035355

I think Don means that the developer is a private company and not a governmental entity.

This is an excerpt from "thevillages.com" website:

Movie Theaters
You can enjoy all the blockbuster favorites and cinematic classics at the three movie theaters located in each of the town squares in The Villages community! Our modern, multi-screen movie theaters are the perfect choice for date night, a cool, relaxing afternoon or evening, or good times with the family. So grab your popcorn, candy and a drink and catch the latest flicks to hit the big screen—day or night!

In many ways the Villages developers act like a governmental entity.

Some local governmental entities are almost indistinguishable from the Villages developers. (Not a criticism, just an observation)

Of course they do. Anyone who thinks otherwise is indeed a sucker.

Government is the least efficient operating entity. Plus government does not make or sell a product.

The Developer is exactly the opposite of government.

They make and sell all kinds of products. We just often have to buy them.

And I would call this shutting down of two movie theaters while claiming to have three open ones is very bad for publicity.

I am very biased though towards movies as have loved going to a big screen theater since the 1960s. Patton's opening scene really needs a very big screen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS5yfhPGaWE

We know and that's why we love you.
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What’s this we $#@& kemosabe? 😀

Thanks. Met a lot of great people here in the Villages. Two of my favorites were a Spanish and a French teacher. Think they taught at the high school level. The male Spanish teacher married the French female teacher. He was very much involved with Villages' affairs in this area of the Villages. He loved war movies and trivia and the like. They moved to help family members.

I never tried practicing my Spanish nor my French with them though.

He went to meetings and the like.

The Villages sure has changed in the 18 years we have been here.

There was only the Rialto open when we moved in June of 2005. Prior to the Rialto I think it was a big bed sheet in a parking lot north of US 441/27. That was the Villages movie theater. Probably a projector and a bed sheet with rope or maybe taped to a building.

I did think I might be getting some where with all my myriad of letters and the like when the guy behind me at the Petaluma, CA movie theater asked "Did you see that?" when the 612 showed up on the test vial in the Sonoma County, CA and other county filmed or at least the production was prepared in the movie Outbreak. Outbreak - Rotten Tomatoes

I had never seen the guy that I was aware of but he could have been from the Red Lion Inn and their contingent of various movie production trailers that were about 150 feet out or back door across the fairway.

I used 613 a lot on these mailings as well as 224. 613 is my number in a 17 week study on stress on the unemployed conducted at the University of California San Francisco Health Sciences Campus in December 1992 through March 1993. I drove down to SF from Rohnert Park, CA four times to give blood for testing as well as chat with my interviewer at UCSF about my life and work and the like. I did show her a bunch of letters received and sent. She waited until I was done with the study to compliment me on what I was doing.

Part of why I love movies so much. And a lot of people over the years have told me to try to get Hollywood involved with my story.

I gave a bunch of correspondence to a detective in Pinellas County Florida around 2002 and he often would remind me as a joke of his name which was the same as a studio in LA. I interacted a little bit with two Criminal Intelligence Detectives in 2002 after I went down in person and demanded to talk to someone.

Indiana Jones and the “Dial of Destiny” is now on my streaming app

Fun movie, great special effects, the story _____ decide for yourself.

Petition * Reopen Barnstorm Theater to Provide Adequate Public Theater in Brownwood, The Village FL! * Change.org

More than 3,000 signatures now for this petition.

My wife and I have not gone to a movie since 2005 and I doubt we will ever go to one again, so we do not care if there are movie theaters.

We enjoy sitting in our recliner sofa and watching movies in our home. My hearing is not that great, so we always use the closed captions. Life is very good for us and we hope your lives are very good as well.

I doubt if the new Mission Impossible movie looks all that good on a TV screen. You really need a movie theater screen or something even bigger like IMAX to experience the film. Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One | Official Website | Only In Theatres Wednesday

Your right but not enough movies like this are being made to justify opening up theaters.

Last time I was at a movie, people were talking and texting throughout the movie. You can’t pause and rewind at the theater. You miss dialogue and it is not that enjoyable.

I agree that seeing some movies in a big theater makes the experience more enjoyable Star Wars, Indiana Jones, etc. However, it is hard to find a movie with a large screen. We have the multiplex theaters where the screens are significantly smaller than the single screen that I grew up with.

I recall going to a Tampa IMAX to see one of The Matrix movies with my nephew and his best friend and the screen must have been 40 feet high or near there. And there are IMAX screens much bigger than that.

I had friends at a local dog park too who often went to an IMAX in Orlando to see blockbuster movies.

The screens at the Barnstorm were some of the biggest in this area. Those at the Rialto left a lot to be desired for size.

Just started watching from my home “ Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One” I don’t think I’ll signing petition

I did not know that was available except for from the people who video these releases and then put them on the Internet.

Movies are in English but I must suffer foreign subtitles and sometimes suffer thru several 15 second commercial by sponsor throughout movie.

I did try watching some of Guardians of the Galaxy on one of these foreign sites and it did come with subtitles and breaks. But I did not use my computer as I was scared of hacks. Just used a tablet that I erase often.

I had missed 30 minutes of Guardians of the Galaxy when I arrived late at the Old Mill Playhouse and wanted to see what I had missed and someone had told me to check out that foreign site.

The $6 Friday Saturday Date Night at the Old Mill Playhouse is a good idea. I know how well Villagers love deals. And it offers somewhere to go for the high school students.