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Old 04-06-2011, 05:19 PM
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Hi Mr. Tony,
True, Realtor is a registered trademark and should never be lowercase. However, a real estate broker is not the same as a real estate agent. Most people who use Realtor incorrectly are referring to real estate agents, not brokers.

Oh wait. Since I'm neither an English major nor a lawyer, I guess you didn't ask me.
In Florida they are either real estate sales associates or real estate brokers. Agent is generally used for both and is described as "a person who represents another person in a fiduciary relationship".

You can sell real estate in Florida without being a Realtor, but in most cases that means you have no access to Multiple Listing Services and some other benefits of paying your dues (literally). A great example of someone selling real estate that is not a Realtor - a sales representative that works for TV. They are licensed real estate sales associates or real estate brokers, but not Realtors.
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I posted this earlier didn't see a response, if there was one, sorry. Why can't you post a disclaimer that says "posts/quotes by members are their opinions and are not endorsed by the administrators", dah dah dah, movies/tv shows post this at the beginning of their programs..gn
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I posted this earlier didn't see a response, if there was one, sorry. Why can't you post a disclaimer that says "posts/quotes by members are their opinions and are not endorsed by the administrators", dah dah dah, movies/tv shows post this at the beginning of their programs..gn
Posting an opinion is one thing. Plagiarism is a completely different. An opinion is the property of the one who opines. Plagiarism is the stealing of another persons writings.
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Wait a minute you mean I have had it wrong from as far back as my colledge days when we believed that stealing one sentence was plagiarism but copying many paragraphs was considered research...Ugh
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In Florida they are either real estate sales associates or real estate brokers. Agent is generally used for both and is described as "a person who represents another person in a fiduciary relationship".

You can sell real estate in Florida without being a Realtor, but in most cases that means you have no access to Multiple Listing Services and some other benefits of paying your dues (literally). A great example of someone selling real estate that is not a Realtor - a sales representative that works for TV. They are licensed real estate sales associates or real estate brokers, but not Realtors.
Hi BogeyBoy,
I could be wrong, but I think you are referring to a situation that is peculiar to TV. As I understand a real estate agent (even in FL) generally works for a broker. The license requirements for the broker and an agent are different.

A Florida real estate agent who does not work for TV may sell property listed on the MLS regardless of whether he/she is a Realtor. The agent is a Realtor only if he/she is a member of the National Board of Realtors. That's because Realtor is simply a registered trademark of the National Board of Realtors. Essentially, it's a marketing term.

The reason non-TV real estate agents cannot sell TV-owned property is because TV refused to list its properties on the MLS. Initially, TV's sales associates were still able to sell MLS listings. However their right to do so was rescinded as a result of a lawsuit.

BTW, because the TV sales office calls its staff "sales associates" and not agents, I've often wondered if TV requires all of its sales associates to have an agent's license.
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Hi BogeyBoy,
I could be wrong, but I think you are referring to a situation that is peculiar to TV. As I understand a real estate agent (even in FL) generally works for a broker. The license requirements for the broker and an agent are different.

A Florida real estate agent who does not work for TV may sell property listed on the MLS regardless of whether he/she is a Realtor. The agent is a Realtor only if he/she is a member of the National Board of Realtors. That's because Realtor is simply a registered trademark of the National Board of Realtors. Essentially, it's a marketing term.

The reason non-TV real estate agents cannot sell TV-owned property is because TV refused to list its properties on the MLS. Initially, TV's sales associates were still able to sell MLS listings. However their right to do so was rescinded as a result of a lawsuit.

BTW, because the TV sales office calls its staff "sales associates" and not agents, I've often wondered if TV requires all of its sales associates to have an agent's license.
Hi Pturner,

I wasn't really referring to TV, there are many instances where real estate is sold without the involvement of any MLS or Realtor. Another example would be an exclusive high rise condo somewhere in south Florida. When they first start selling units they often were sold only by their elite team of sales people. Those sales representatives would have no reason to become a Realtor or join the Board of Realtors but they still need a license from Florida. It might surprise people to know that a rental agent who gets paid commission also needs to have the same license.

People refer to anyone who sells real estate as a real estate "agent". If you ask anyone in Florida who sells real estate to show you their license it will say one of two things: "Real Estate Sales Associate" or "Real Estate Broker". (Florida Real Estate Commission/FREC Chapter 475.) The licensing, education, and experience levels are higher to become a broker. Many people have a broker's license but still pretty much work as sales people for another broker who owns an agency.

As I had mentioned earlier most Multiple Listing Services are run by a Board of Realtors and if you don't sign up and become a Realtor you do not have access to the MLS. (It got so tricky for a while that I not only had to enter my password to get access, I had a small device that assigned a random code every time I logged in. If I didn't have the random code access was denied, that way I couldn't just let someone use my password to browse around the MLS.) You are correct that TV used to have access to the MLS, they pretty much shut that down overnight a number of years ago. (I guess when they determined they had enough resales of their own and wanted more control of what went on with sales in TV. In my opinion TV walks a fine line meeting the requirement of FREC and they have the resources to keep on the correct side of that line. Independent agencies use more "pre-written" contracts that cover every possible aspect of the law because there is the possibility of selling such a wide variety of properties.)

Okay, let's drop this, I think I would rather continue the discussion about fitted golf clubs now!
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ohhhhhhh you are one funny character, i couldnt believe you just did that........
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