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Old 10-07-2019, 07:03 PM
Jazuela Jazuela is offline
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Also "sick days" weren't guaranteed nationwide until the previous administration. In retail, it used to be you worked, you got paid. You don't work, you don't get paid. Period. Not everyone had the luxury of staying home if they were sick.

Even now, you're only entitled to 1 hour of sick time per 40 hours worked. It's stackable to up to 1 year and 6 months total so if you never get sick, at the end of your 18th month you could have a nice bank of sick time available.

That's not even just retail. Many small businesses work that way, restaurants, chains, security companies, etc. etc.

Many people go to work sick, because they don't get enough sick time to accommodate a yearly cold AND a yearly bout with the flu, and are underinsured or not eligible for company-paid insurance at work. The upshot is - if they show up for work and the boss SENDS them home, typically they get paid for the whole shift. The downside to that, is that usually you have to puke in front of the customer for the boss to send you home, if it means you get paid for the shift you aren't actually working.

Real world work ethics 101 for ya.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:54 PM
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Also "sick days" weren't guaranteed nationwide until the previous administration. In retail, it used to be you worked, you got paid. You don't work, you don't get paid. Period. Not everyone had the luxury of staying home if they were sick.

Even now, you're only entitled to 1 hour of sick time per 40 hours worked. It's stackable to up to 1 year and 6 months total so if you never get sick, at the end of your 18th month you could have a nice bank of sick time available.

That's not even just retail. Many small businesses work that way, restaurants, chains, security companies, etc. etc.

Many people go to work sick, because they don't get enough sick time to accommodate a yearly cold AND a yearly bout with the flu, and are underinsured or not eligible for company-paid insurance at work. The upshot is - if they show up for work and the boss SENDS them home, typically they get paid for the whole shift. The downside to that, is that usually you have to puke in front of the customer for the boss to send you home, if it means you get paid for the shift you aren't actually working.

Real world work ethics 101 for ya.
Curious as to what FEDERAL law that was? I managed a single multi-million$ location FT for a large national shipping franchise after I retired and before we moved here and I'm pretty sure I would (or SHOULD) have heard about that law. All the general info I can find is this: How many sick days is my employer legally required to provide? | Nolo

Sick pay/sick day laws seems to be up to state regs. All I see federally is the FMLA which has nothing to to with taking off for a cold or 1 hr off for 40 hrs worked and doesn't require pay at all, just the guarantee you'll have a job when you return.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:40 PM
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Curious as to what FEDERAL law that was? I managed a single multi-million$ location FT for a large national shipping franchise after I retired and before we moved here and I'm pretty sure I would (or SHOULD) have heard about that law. All the general info I can find is this: How many sick days is my employer legally required to provide? | Nolo

Sick pay/sick day laws seems to be up to state regs. All I see federally is the FMLA which has nothing to to with taking off for a cold or 1 hr off for 40 hrs worked and doesn't require pay at all, just the guarantee you'll have a job when you return.
As far as I know, there is no Federal law that reqiires employers to provide any paid sick leave to employees. The FMLA (Family and Medical Leave Act) was signed into law by President Clinton in 1993. It allows employees to take up to 12 weeks off for medical purposes, but this is unpaid leave.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:10 AM
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Curious as to what FEDERAL law that was? I managed a single multi-million$ location FT for a large national shipping franchise after I retired and before we moved here and I'm pretty sure I would (or SHOULD) have heard about that law. All the general info I can find is this: How many sick days is my employer legally required to provide? | Nolo

Sick pay/sick day laws seems to be up to state regs. All I see federally is the FMLA which has nothing to to with taking off for a cold or 1 hr off for 40 hrs worked and doesn't require pay at all, just the guarantee you'll have a job when you return.
Actually - you're right. I just double checked. I made an incorrect assumption that my state's law was a federal law. It isn't. This actually supports the concern even more then:

There is no law requiring businesses in this country to give their employees ANY sick time at all. It is exclusively on a state basis.

In fact, as of August 20's calculations, only 7 states have mandatory sick leave: Arizona, California, Massachusetts, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington State.

The rest of the country including DC, doesn't have to give a single hour's worth of paid sick time to its employees.

So now you know why so many people come to work sick. They don't get paid, if they don't come to work sick.

Some people actually rely on - y'know - getting paid - to cover expenses.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:29 AM
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This thread was hijacked. It wasn’t about employment law. It was about inconsiderate folks attending optional functions sick.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:02 AM
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Haven't been sick since I moved here 3 years ago. I chalk it up to not having to use public restrooms, porta potties and shaking hands 20 times a day.


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Old 10-08-2019, 08:03 AM
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This thread was hijacked. It wasn’t about employment law. It was about inconsiderate folks attending optional functions sick.
I was just going to say that too. Why do folks go off on rabbit trails on these threads? I'm one of the folks with a compromised immune system. Two years ago when that awful flu was rampant, I stayed home. Yet I still got the flu and pneumonia with it. Might have picked it up in a doctor's office. Anyway I agree with the OP re: the fact that people don't use common sense and remain home "IF" they're not feeling well.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:06 AM
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I was just going to say that too. Why do folks go off on rabbit trails on these threads? I'm one of the folks with a compromised immune system. Two years ago when that awful flu was rampant, I stayed home. Yet I still got the flu and pneumonia with it. Might have picked it up in a doctor's office. Anyway I agree with the OP re: the fact that people don't use common sense and remain home "IF" they're not feeling well.

Why? Could it be there are those who are trying to prove how smart they are or just crave attention? Dunno.
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Old 10-13-2019, 11:02 PM
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This morning in church, the young woman sitting behind us sneezed, coughed and blew her nose throughout mass. Even if she suffers from allergies, it is certainly would have been more sanitary if she had stayed home.
Or maybe she was just nervous?
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Old 10-14-2019, 06:43 AM
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I try not to rely on others being considerate about my health. As another immunocompromised person, I have adopted the habit (more common in some Asian countries) of wearing a disposable medical mouth/nose mask when going to enclosed spaces with the general public, such as a doctor's office or theater. If anyone asks or seems offended, I just say I'm the one who has a cold.

A mask can engender some odd looks and comments, but I'll take those over getting sick. I don't usually wear the mask to places like the grocery or drug store, but am careful to wash my hands after those errands.
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