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Russ_Boston 07-23-2012 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 527047)
CarGuy:should motorcycles be fitted with seat belts?

That's an easy logic one: Your head will still hit the ground or something when the bike falls. Belts make no sense in this case since the outcome is still hitting your head on something.

The cart seat belt is designed to keep you in the vehicle during a sudden move (like when people hit curbs and over correct).

Russ_Boston 07-23-2012 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 527047)
that I would never drive my cart in regular traffic, heck I wouldn't drive a smart car in regular traffic.

Not sure what you mean by regular traffic but as you know the carts in the diamond lanes are basically in regular traffic. No? Not sure an LSV is in any more danger being in line with the cars than we are on the side of them on more than 2 feet or so when they pass.

CarGuys 07-23-2012 10:50 PM

Good Point!
 
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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 527047)
CarGuy: I aprreciate your post. Let me pose a question. If being thrown from a golf cart is the issue and since being thrown from a motorcyle is a bigger problem should motorcycles be fitted with seat belts?

The issue isn't seat belts per se its the effectiveness of seat belts in golfcarts. If safety is the issue then I respectively suggest whether you are on a golfcart path or a golf course the potential for injury is there.
As for street legal vehicles , well I will only say that I would never drive my cart in regular traffic, heck I wouldn't drive a smart car in regular traffic.

Thanks again for your excellent comments. Enjoy doug's Fsih Fry


Personal Best Regards:

A Honda Gold Wing now has a Air Bag Option. My training in MC saftey said our only protection was common sense, being aware at all times of the other driver and upcoming possibilities. Knowing your machine and how to stop it or lay it down. And the leather riding gear on your body combined with gloves and a Helmet.

Tee Shirts, Flower pot skull cap fake Helmets or your bare mellon don't work. Hit the road without riding gear and you look like you just lost a battle with a Ninja Blender.

Now the truth.:icon_wink:

Last year I was riding in a loaner cart while the wife was driving. Big smile on her face enjoying the ride. Then outta know where another cart pulled out of a rec center ran over the white plastic divider in the trail and then swerved into our lane. The wife over reacted and jerked the wheel. Next thing I know ole Herv's playing trim the shrubs with my right side and hanging on for dear life with the left. I was 3/4 outta that cart and needed a underwear change!:ohdear: A lap bel would have kept me in.

In fact you see standard on most zero turn mowers

I miss DOUGS! BAD! Ready to head home for a fix!

rubicon 07-24-2012 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CarGuys (Post 527247)
A Honda Gold Wing now has a Air Bag Option. My training in MC saftey said our only protection was common sense, being aware at all times of the other driver and upcoming possibilities. Knowing your machine and how to stop it or lay it down. And the leather riding gear on your body combined with gloves and a Helmet.

Tee Shirts, Flower pot skull cap fake Helmets or your bare mellon don't work. Hit the road without riding gear and you look like you just lost a battle with a Ninja Blender.

Now the truth.:icon_wink:

Last year I was riding in a loaner cart while the wife was driving. Big smile on her face enjoying the ride. Then outta know where another cart pulled out of a rec center ran over the white plastic divider in the trail and then swerved into our lane. The wife over reacted and jerked the wheel. Next thing I know ole Herv's playing trim the shrubs with my right side and hanging on for dear life with the left. I was 3/4 outta that cart and needed a underwear change!:ohdear: A lap bel would have kept me in.

In fact you see standard on most zero turn mowers

I miss DOUGS! BAD! Ready to head home for a fix!

Your right If people really want to be safe in carts then they need roll over bars, air bages, heavier floor boards, etc...that is all i was trying to explain.

anyway if you get back home don't forget a stop atr Lasca's italian Restaraunt. My ex dentist, his son and nephew started that place. Hope it has remained at the level of quality it had the last time I visited. Their veal was top quality...hope it remained.

ciao

CarGuys 07-25-2012 01:10 AM

Ate there many times. Needed a truck to haul me home sooooooo full! Small world Thanks for the update Rubicon

Joaniesmom 07-25-2012 09:44 AM

CarGuys: You refer to your lovely spouse as "the wife?" In 2012? //////////////

CarGuys 07-25-2012 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Joaniesmom (Post 527965)
CarGuys: You refer to your lovely spouse as "the wife?" In 2012? //////////////

Yep and she labled me PMS - Putting up with Men's S----

We don't play the kissie Love political correct game. Why are relationship is strong and good.

Out of the Lemon Tree of Life I got a Peach " The Wife " and I'm still driving " Miss Daisy"

Ela48823 01-03-2013 10:42 AM

who installs seatbelts? I am having trouble finding someone to install in my new EZGO cart with curtis cab. The dealer would not do this. Thank you

Advogado 01-03-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 526466)
If you guys will read the POA article and then do a search on TOTV and other web sites for 'deaths from golf carts in The Villages' you might change your mind. The fact is that the last 10 deaths of people in carts within TV have been from some sort of head injury. Either getting thrown from the cart and hit their head, or get run over by landscape truck or car, or hit their head on any other object. The video that Sumter county shows is not relevant to what happens around our town. Not one accident in the past 7 years that killed anyone was from a roll over where the cart crushed them. Not one. There have been some bad injuries from roll overs but no deaths in that time frame. I have seat belts in my cart and I use them unless I'm on the course.

I also think it's about time we challenged the conventional wisdom (thanks for starting this thread Ed) since we have real data on our side from these tragic deaths.

Agree with you. Here is the most authoritative study on the subject that I could find: http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/esv.../05-0431-W.pdf

It is heavy reading, but the conclusion is the following:
In its final ruling NHTSA concluded that “the conjecture by some commenters that it would be valuable to be able to jump out of an LSV are unsubstantiated speculation that is especially unpersuasive given the volume of data showing that ejection is extremely dangerous and that seat belts are remarkably effective at preventing ejection” [2]. The' agency concluded that it is desirable to require seat belts in LSV’s."

That study and the POA accounts of golf cart accidents persuaded me to have lap belts installed on my cart. (Probably 3-point belts would be better, but I think you are then talking about real money.)

With respect to the posters who say that all you need to do to prevent being injured is to be careful: Being careful does not protect you from the morons driving carts or cars or trucks while talking on their cell phones, returning drunk from the town squares, or just being generally reckless.

REDCART 01-03-2013 01:01 PM

Advantage Golf Cars
 
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Originally Posted by Ela48823 (Post 603219)
who installs seatbelts? I am having trouble finding someone to install in my new EZGO cart with curtis cab. The dealer would not do this. Thank you

Last February Advantage Golf Cars (near CR 101) installed retractable seat belts on our EZGo. The total charge was $139.10.

Advogado 01-03-2013 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 526876)
Bingo! You have a vehicle made exclisively for golf courses and being used as a second vehicle. adding a seat belt alone will only exacerbate the safety issue. Again the POA action are resulting in unintened consequences.
As a side bar I believe the cost to install seat belts cost more than the $200 stated in a previous post. I need to follow up on this aspect for my satisifaction

Until I spent some time researching the matter, I shared your skepticism about retrofitted seat belts. After researching the matter, I paid $137.50 for two lap belts at the EZ GO dealer in Buffalo Plaza. A good investment, I think. See my earlier post and the study linked therein.

EdV 01-03-2013 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 603289)
Agree with you. Here is the most authoritative study on the subject that I could find: http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/esv.../05-0431-W.pdf

It is heavy reading, but the conclusion is the following:
In its final ruling NHTSA concluded that “the conjecture by some commenters that it would be valuable to be able to jump out of an LSV are unsubstantiated speculation that is especially unpersuasive given the volume of data showing that ejection is extremely dangerous and that seat belts are remarkably effective at preventing ejection” [2]. The' agency concluded that it is desirable to require seat belts in LSV’s."

That study and the POA accounts of golf cart accidents persuaded me to have lap belts installed on my cart. (Probably 3-point belts would be better, but I think you are then talking about real money.)

With respect to the posters who say that all you need to do to prevent being injured is to be careful: Being careful does not protect you from the morons driving carts or cars or trucks while talking on their cell phones, returning drunk from the town squares, or just being generally reckless.

Thanks for the link to the study and a wise chioce by you.

And here's a link to a short update in the Jan 2013 POA Bulletin.

Indydealmaker 01-03-2013 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EdV (Post 525900)
It’s about time that the POA has finally decided to take issue with the Sherriff’s Department recommendation against using seat belts for golf carts in TV. They are raising issues and challenging the Sheriff’s Department to provide accident statistics to support their anti seatbelt position. Here is a link to the article.

It makes no sense to me to apply the same standards for golf carts that are used exclusively on golf courses to those used in TV for transportation. Golf course carts are usually governed down to 14mph, travel mostly on unidirectional paths and soft fairways. The carts in TV are zipping in and out of traffic at 20mph, careening in and out of narrow two way tunnels, and dealing with other cars and trucks whose drivers think a stop sign means slow down a little.

The other day I watched a 6 year old hop into the passenger seat of a cart. His feet were a good 6 inches above the floor and he held onto his knees for support as the driver sped off down the road. It’s crazy. Please folks, get 3 point belts installed on your carts and use them on the streets of TV.

:agree:

EdV 01-03-2013 02:55 PM

Let me also revise my last sentence to “Please folks, get seat belts installed on your carts and use them on the streets of TV”. The 3 point style is probably not available for most carts, but even lap belts are better than no belts when driving in the streets of TV. And even if you choose not to use them, at least they'll be there for your grandkids.

BobnBev 01-03-2013 03:02 PM

Sounds like a good idea. Who installed yours and what was the $$$ total?


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