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Villages PL 03-24-2012 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Pturner (Post 470177)
These scales don't actually measure body fat. They run an electrical current through the body, calculate the electrical impedance (since electricity conducts better through water and tissue than fat), then, plugging the person's height and weight into a formula, make a calculation/ average "guestimate" of body fat.

I have read conflicting accounts of their accuracy.
How about if we use BMI in combination with the "electrical impedance" device?" If a person's body fat percentage is too high and has a BMI over 25 they will not qualify. If a third test is needed, they could measure the person's waist and wrist. Wrist size in inches X 4.55 equals ideal waist size.

Carla B 03-24-2012 04:52 PM
Wrist size vs. waist size?
 
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 470966)
How about if we use BMI in combination with the "electrical impedance" device?" If a person's body fat percentage is too high and has a BMI over 25 they will not qualify. If a third test is needed, they could measure the person's waist and wrist. Wrist size in inches X 4.55 equals ideal waist size.
Holy Cow! Where can I buy a corset?

TF Hutch 03-24-2012 09:49 PM
So.... Health services for those least likely to need it?
Perhaps a "pay by the pound for services" business model would be more appropriate.

momesu 03-25-2012 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 470966)
How about if we use BMI in combination with the "electrical impedance" device?" If a person's body fat percentage is too high and has a BMI over 25 they will not qualify. If a third test is needed, they could measure the person's waist and wrist. Wrist size in inches X 4.55 equals ideal waist size.
I hope this is not the case becasue if it is I should have a 27inch waist. :22yikes: That is never going to happen again. I had it once when I was maybe 18 and the doctor was on me about being severely underweight for my 5'11" height.......

Villages PL 03-26-2012 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by momesu (Post 471428)
I hope this is not the case becasue if it is I should have a 27inch waist. :22yikes: That is never going to happen again. I had it once when I was maybe 18 and the doctor was on me about being severely underweight for my 5'11" height.......
With your height, I assume you would do better with the BMI?

Villages PL 03-26-2012 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 469175)
You'd only have access to the facility if you don't need it???
I take that as a vote of confidence; you believe that normal weight people don't need very much medical care. All the more reason to put some sort of incentive in place to incourage people to maintain a healthy weight.

Villages PL 03-26-2012 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Carla B (Post 471001)
Holy Cow! Where can I buy a corset?
Carla B, you are a funny lady! :)

momesu 03-26-2012 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 471924)
With your height, I assume you would do better with the BMI?
That would make me much happier as my BMI is 23. :a040:
And other than RA I consider myself very healthy. Can't be too bad since I made it through 24 hours straight at Disney on Feb 29 without collapsing. Though doing that may say something about my mental state according to some.......
Suzanne

looneycat 03-26-2012 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 469118)
Since it is hoped that the new medical centers will represent the very best in medical care, it may offer a unique opportunity to reward those who have demonstrated personal responsibility in taking care of their own health. This is what's needed to make it a true partnership between medical care and (personal) self-care.

Like anything else in life, opportunities are often limited. To get into college, you must apply and meet requirements. To get a job, you must apply. There won't be room for everyone in the new medical centers, so why not use it as a unique opportunity to REWARD those who can demonstrate a certain level of personal responsibility in their own healthcare.

Do you like this concept? If so, what should the requirements be?

:wave:
If so, what should the requirements be?...um, let me see....I'd say needing medical care..you do not put restrictions on care..period

Villages PL 03-28-2012 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by momesu (Post 471967)
That would make me much happier as my BMI is 23. :a040:
And other than RA I consider myself very healthy. Can't be too bad since I made it through 24 hours straight at Disney on Feb 29 without collapsing. Though doing that may say something about my mental state according to some.......
Suzanne
I realized later that I had left out something very important. When you do the calculation for wrist measurement, the resulting number is your "ideal" waist measurement. But just as no one is expected to be at their ideal BMI or body-fat-percentage, we shouldn't expect people to be at their ideal waist measurement. Most likely you'd be able to add 5 or 6 inches and still pass the test.

skyc6 03-28-2012 08:51 PM
I am fairly new to The Villages, so after reading the articles in the paper, I decided to call the 3 DR.s who are said to be headed to the first such office near Colony to check on insurance they will accept. I have an insurance and also a supplement insurance.
I was quickly told that this office will do no filing of supplemental insurance--medicare or not. I asked if they would wait for payment until I had filed with my supplement, and was also told no.
I was told all 3 Dr.s will only file primary insurance and then the patient will pay the remainder and file their supplemental insurance themselves and reimburse themselves later. I have not found this to be the case at other dr.s offices so far.

Villages PL 03-30-2012 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 472938)
I find your suggestion to be disgusting elitist crap. Your suggestion is the worst form of bigotry I've ever heard, health elitism....hate is disgusting in any form, its a shame to see someone who hates others because they are not as 'responsible' as they are!
All of that emotional name calling and you don't even know me. Just look at the the words and the phrase you have used: 1) bigotry 2) elitism 3) hates others.

Wow, you got that from my post? And all because I would like to see something in place to encourage personal responsibility?

:)

Mudder 03-30-2012 05:41 PM
villagerPL, just curious, do you do Yoga? You strike me as someone who would be a participant. I do Yoga several times a week and gain much from it.

looneycat 03-30-2012 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 473514)
All of that emotional name calling and you don't even know me. Just look at the the words and the phrase you have used: 1) bigotry 2) elitism 3) hates others.

Wow, you got that from my post? And all because I would like to see something in place to encourage personal responsibility?

:)
let's see, bigotry - if you are not living a healthy life style you need not apply
elitism - see 1 and only those who have earned this Reward
hates others - see 1 and 2 and you others who don't deserve this reward too bad!

look at what you said - not enough room for everybody - only us elite who practice a 'healthy' life style deserve it as a reward

do you know yourself? I sincerely apologize if you did not mean to come off sounding like a 'health elitist' but you did.

I will give you an example...there's limited parking at the hospital so don't bother to come if you're not driving a caddy or better
it's kind of the same statement so I'm pretty sure it's not really what you meant, right?

RichieLion 03-30-2012 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 473599)
let's see, bigotry - if you are not living a healthy life style you need not apply
elitism - see 1 and only those who have earned this Reward
hates others - see 1 and 2 and you others who don't deserve this reward too bad!

look at what you said - not enough room for everybody - only us elite who practice a 'healthy' life style deserve it as a reward

do you know yourself? I sincerely apologize if you did not mean to come off sounding like a 'health elitist' but you did.

I will give you an example...there's limited parking at the hospital so don't bother to come if you're not driving a caddy or better
it's kind of the same statement so I'm pretty sure it's not really what you meant, right?
This is one of those times I've got to agree with you, looneycat.

The self righteous elitist always make me a bit ill.

Can I get insurance for that?


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