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graciegirl 05-03-2009 03:59 PM

The sky isn't falling. The sky isn't falling and how many of us will live for another 30-40 years?. We don't know. We can continue to renew our magazine subscriptions but lets not worry ourselves into an early grave!!

spk7951 05-04-2009 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 202018)
The sky isn't falling. The sky isn't falling and how many of us will live for another 30-40 years?. We don't know. We can continue to renew our magazine subscriptions but lets not worry ourselves into an early grave!!

:agree: :agree: :agree:

GMONEY 05-04-2009 08:25 AM

I know its FIVE O CLOCK somewhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quixote 10-27-2009 09:58 PM

Im just reading old threads and cant help but wonder when I read that some hundred or so homes are sold in the Villages every month, can all these people be ignorant or apathetic or not care about there future. It just doesnt make sense. I dont own in the Villages but I do visit often and find it real enjoyable and beautiful. The funniest one after the whining newspaper columnist who says shes informing and at the same time says as a columnist and not a reporter she doesnt have to write truth is the person who says he got twice the house for half the price somewhere else and can spend the difference on a private golf course but is still writing about the Villages. What does that say? Some people just need to get a life and live it and leave tax and legal matters to the tax specialists and lawyers to do there jobs. And to those people who cant live without something to be hysterical about, well, good luck.

joannej 10-28-2009 07:16 PM

The Villages in the state of Florida has generated a lot of revenue for the state, provided more jobs than any other place in FL, attracted many small and large business entities, provided a lifestyle for many that is second to none, have schools that are the envy of other cities, has generated more tax money for local, state, national than most communities. And during these hard times, it continues to grow in size. So my question is, if the CDC system works so well here, why are we under the gun for the bond issue? Certainly, Mr. Morse's lawyers were advised about the legality of the use of bonds with the IRS when the Villages came into being. So why is this an issue now?

The Shadow 10-28-2009 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by joannej (Post 231177)
The Villages in the state of Florida has generated a lot of revenue for the state, provided more jobs than any other place in FL, attracted many small and large business entities, provided a lifestyle for many that is second to none, have schools that are the envy of other cities, has generated more tax money for local, state, national than most communities. And during these hard times, it continues to grow in size. So my question is, if the CDC system works so well here, why are we under the gun for the bond issue? Certainly, Mr. Morse's lawyers were advised about the legality of the use of bonds with the IRS when the Villages came into being. So why is this an issue now?

As you do your homework you will come to realize Mr. Morse did not issue the bonds whose legality is being questioned by the IRS. The issuer was the VCCDD a government body.
http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_file...etin200909.pdf

1blsdman 02-26-2010 03:46 PM

For an insider’s view of The developer of The Villages...I can help.

First, let me say that I LOVE the COMMUNITY and the residents of The Villages and what has been created. The beauty, the safety, the fun and the atmosphere is second to none.

I worked with and for the developer for a long time (over a decade.) I don't want to give too much info on who I am because I know them and what can happen to people who speak openly against them. Honestly, I loved working with them and am so thankful for the opportunity, the education and the experience I received but I continued to see a trend away from open, honest and fair dealing in business a few years ago.
I have seen the very ugly side.

Listen to Lauren Ritchie...she is not that far off. I understand her job is to help "sell newspapers" however if she prints complete lies then she loses any credibility and no one will listen or read her opinions.

We have all seen the movies where big corporations do things behind the scenes to "make their own rules." Read the book by John Grisham called, "The Appeal.” That book is very close to what the developer does to use politicians to bend rules in their favor. It is very easy to get all emotional when you look around at the beauty of The Villages. My fear is what will happen when all the new homes are sold. Many of us who work and worked there see the writing on the wall of what will happen in next 4 to 5 years. When new homes are all sold (at the current pace of 200 per month- about 4 years +/-) it is my very educated opinion that A LOT will change. Right now you can look up and find that their own attorney said VNN is losing almost $1.5 million per year. That's just the beginning. The IRS thing is a tip of their behind the scene "making their own rules issues." I can say with certainty one thing...the developer and the family are making sure that they are protected (their rear end covered) over anything that a resident alone could do to them. (but the truth does eventually come out- I just hope it’s not too late when they’ve moved on to retiring themselves or building The Villages #2 on over 100,000 acres they own in Texas) When they are done making 30+% or more on the new homes (and a lot more on the land) they are selling it is my strong opinion (from working with them daily for a long time) that they will do a couple things. First, the sales department will close because they will NOT work just as hard to sell your pre owned home for half of a 6% commission!! Think about it! I am confident they are making 30+% on new homes plus big land profits. I don't believe they will stick around for 1/10th of that (half of a 6% commission = 3%). Secondly, I believe they will continue to collect huge lease payments on what will be close to 2 million sq ft of commercial space and land lease payments which could easily net them $50 million annually. Look at their commercial web site for demographics.

I am NOT saying I don't love the city of The Villages because I do. I just know the family and what Harold Schwartz built was a town where he walked around and shook people’s hands and business was all done in the open ( the way it used to be and should be again).It is now in the hands of the third generation and the mentality is completely big business corporate not family (Because as we all know kids always know better than the parents and grandparents) (actually you don't have to reinvent the wheel on how to treat people with respect when no one is watching and do the right thing) If you've been in their airplane hanger, the home in the Bahamas, their Aspen house, the home in Boca, the 150+ ft yacht or in Gary M.'s home you would see the many photos of the very powerful people (law makers and politicians) who they are rubbing shoulders with and flying around with that help them make sure the rules are bent their way. Truly, I would be very careful. I’ve read many of their contracts and they are ALL one sided. It is their way or no way.

Another truth...the sales people that work for the developer make 2-2.5% for selling a new home plus they get anywhere from $200 to $2,000 or more per NEW home based on a bonus cycle every month. When the same salesperson sells a pre-owned home they get paid 1.25% and if there happens to be a bonus it is a very small bonus called 50 marketing points (or so) that can be used to advertise in their daily sun newspaper. Ask yourself this, “If you have one customer you are selling a $300,000 home to, do you push a new home at 2-2.5% plus big bonus or do you push a pre owned home that will make you at least half the commission?” They say that they want to sell pre owned homes and in some way they do but as soon as they are done selling new homes I believe they will close the doors.

Here is the truth (as I believe it)...the sooner they can sell out all the new homes the sooner they can stop all the overhead (the buildings, the trolleys, the support staff, the massive advertising and LPP's go away) The smartest thing I believe they have ever done was the resident survey because ALL the good ideas they have ever had came from asking people “what do you want?” In essence the residents built into the community what you now see. I give credit to the developer for asking the question but let me say this “ Do not believe they are here to help you, they are here to make as much money as they can.” Selling the Savannah Center based on an appraisal of so many thousand amenities fees is legal (i guess) but is it unethical or greedy, I would say YES. I support businesses that are making a profit. All I ask is that they play by the same rules everyone else has to play by. Again, I won't go into more about who I am because honestly, I know them and their tactics they use towards anyone who says a word against them and that does make me very nervous.

herbaru 02-26-2010 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1blsdman (Post 250845)
For an insider’s view of The developer of The Villages...I can help.

First, let me say that I LOVE the COMMUNITY and the residents of The Villages and what has been created. The beauty, the safety, the fun and the atmosphere is second to none.

I worked with and for the developer for a long time (over a decade.) I don't want to give too much info on who I am because I know them and what can happen to people who speak openly against them. Honestly, I loved working with them and am so thankful for the opportunity, the education and the experience I received but I continued to see a trend away from open, honest and fair dealing in business a few years ago.
I have seen the very ugly side.

Listen to Lauren Ritchie...she is not that far off. I understand her job is to help "sell newspapers" however if she prints complete lies then she loses any credibility and no one will listen or read her opinions.

We have all seen the movies where big corporations do things behind the scenes to "make their own rules." Read the book by John Grisham called, "The Appeal.” That book is very close to what the developer does to use politicians to bend rules in their favor. It is very easy to get all emotional when you look around at the beauty of The Villages. My fear is what will happen when all the new homes are sold. Many of us who work and worked there see the writing on the wall of what will happen in next 4 to 5 years. When new homes are all sold (at the current pace of 200 per month- about 4 years +/-) it is my very educated opinion that A LOT will change. Right now you can look up and find that their own attorney said VNN is losing almost $1.5 million per year. That's just the beginning. The IRS thing is a tip of their behind the scene "making their own rules issues." I can say with certainty one thing...the developer and the family are making sure that they are protected (their rear end covered) over anything that a resident alone could do to them. (but the truth does eventually come out- I just hope it’s not too late when they’ve moved on to retiring themselves or building The Villages #2 on over 100,000 acres they own in Texas) When they are done making 30+% or more on the new homes (and a lot more on the land) they are selling it is my strong opinion (from working with them daily for a long time) that they will do a couple things. First, the sales department will close because they will NOT work just as hard to sell your pre owned home for half of a 6% commission!! Think about it! I am confident they are making 30+% on new homes plus big land profits. I don't believe they will stick around for 1/10th of that (half of a 6% commission = 3%). Secondly, I believe they will continue to collect huge lease payments on what will be close to 2 million sq ft of commercial space and land lease payments which could easily net them $50 million annually. Look at their commercial web site for demographics.

I am NOT saying I don't love the city of The Villages because I do. I just know the family and what Harold Schwartz built was a town where he walked around and shook people’s hands and business was all done in the open ( the way it used to be and should be again).It is now in the hands of the third generation and the mentality is completely big business corporate not family (Because as we all know kids always know better than the parents and grandparents) (actually you don't have to reinvent the wheel on how to treat people with respect when no one is watching and do the right thing) If you've been in their airplane hanger, the home in the Bahamas, their Aspen house, the home in Boca, the 150+ ft yacht or in Gary M.'s home you would see the many photos of the very powerful people (law makers and politicians) who they are rubbing shoulders with and flying around with that help them make sure the rules are bent their way. Truly, I would be very careful. I’ve read many of their contracts and they are ALL one sided. It is their way or no way.

Another truth...the sales people that work for the developer make 2-2.5% for selling a new home plus they get anywhere from $200 to $2,000 or more per NEW home based on a bonus cycle every month. When the same salesperson sells a pre-owned home they get paid 1.25% and if there happens to be a bonus it is a very small bonus called 50 marketing points (or so) that can be used to advertise in their daily sun newspaper. Ask yourself this, “If you have one customer you are selling a $300,000 home to, do you push a new home at 2-2.5% plus big bonus or do you push a pre owned home that will make you at least half the commission?” They say that they want to sell pre owned homes and in some way they do but as soon as they are done selling new homes I believe they will close the doors.

Here is the truth (as I believe it)...the sooner they can sell out all the new homes the sooner they can stop all the overhead (the buildings, the trolleys, the support staff, the massive advertising and LPP's go away) The smartest thing I believe they have ever done was the resident survey because ALL the good ideas they have ever had came from asking people “what do you want?” In essence the residents built into the community what you now see. I give credit to the developer for asking the question but let me say this “ Do not believe they are here to help you, they are here to make as much money as they can.” Selling the Savannah Center based on an appraisal of so many thousand amenities fees is legal (i guess) but is it unethical or greedy, I would say YES. I support businesses that are making a profit. All I ask is that they play by the same rules everyone else has to play by. Again, I won't go into more about who I am because honestly, I know them and their tactics they use towards anyone who says a word against them and that does make me very nervous.

Wow! Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and opinions.

Bogie Shooter 02-26-2010 10:29 PM

Is this being shared out the goodness of your heart.....or it there another motive?

Halle 02-26-2010 10:34 PM

Can you give us more details on the new developement in Texas?

Russ_Boston 02-26-2010 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blsdman (Post 250845)
Secondly, I believe they will continue to collect huge lease payments on what will be close to 2 million sq ft of commercial space and land lease payments which could easily net them $50 million annually. Look at their commercial web site for demographics.

Isn't this point the reason WHY they would have to keep things going? If the rest of the development falters when the new sales stop then wouldn't their annual leases go into the hopper as well?

chuckinca 02-27-2010 12:08 AM

How they going to convince people to retire to Texas?

I just drove thru there and it smells like a gas station (talk about smelly gas carts!)


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villages07 02-27-2010 06:36 AM

Some interesting observations but nothing that really surprises me or scares me (too much). The Villages is a big business and the Morse family are business people, out to maximize their profits. The days of a Harold walking around knowing and hugging everybody are over. That was back when the Villages was a modest manufactured home community. It is now a pretty fair sized city (approx 75,000) with more growth to come. The family's connection with local, state, and national politicians is another (unfortunate) given in today's business climate.

There have been several threads on TOTV about the future of TV after buildout is completed... can the lifestyle be sustained at a reasonable cost? What happens to the features and businesses that the Developer owns/runs? The nightly music, championship golf, movie theatres, Katie Belle's, entertainment events, parades, WVLG, Daily Sun etc. Those that are profitable will probably remain...those subsidized to help promote new home sales may go away or have to be taken over by resident-led organizations at a cost to the residents. It's really hard to tell. There are an awful lot of talented, smart, and resourceful people living in TV and working for the CDDs that I have faith will ensure a continued high level lifestyle.

Many unknowns, some risks, not a lot of open communication from the Developer's family about the future....all can make one nervous. I think the next 6 years or so will be pretty much status quo of today...beyond that, it's a little fuzzy and you gotta have some faith in our people and the (CDD) government infrastructure that has been put into place.

waynet 02-27-2010 09:59 AM

I guess what bothers me is that the family that runs the place has said nothing about any of this. Why?

Kelsie52 02-27-2010 10:35 AM

If this does not scare you --then maybe there is a KOOL-AID that is being consumed at TV..

I have been planning on moving here within the next 10 months and have visited several times -(coming in June and hope to purchase).

I have taken much information from this site and it has helped me make up my mind to retire here....BUT one must take this possibilty of the Owners moving on after they have completed building as a reality.....

Does anyone ever meet with them or their representatives ? Is there no power in the numbers of residents ?

If this is made more public --why would one want to sink their hard earned cash into this community ..That being said --I dont know if it will stop me from purchasing but it will make me take another look at surrounding areas
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