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rn1tv 05-28-2014 04:39 PM

One other thought that maybe people may not want to address: is the reporter of the statue a homophobe? That was my first thought. I see lots of violations in my neighborhood regarding yard maintenance, house painting, etc. and I seem to be the only one to have a problem with a red and green enamel painted house with a disgusting lanai and yard....Yes, I agree with others about the restrictions of the CDD and support those restrictions but I truly think this complaint goes well beyond this. Just my humble opinion.

CFrance 05-28-2014 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 884506)
Your penance is to say 10 Hail Marys.

Sorry! I'm one of those Presbyterians. We don't confess... we're already saved!

TNLAKEPANDA 05-28-2014 05:07 PM

He should take down the statue and go buy the nastiest looking car (that runs) and park it in his drive or in front of his house! Let the neighbors look at that for a year. Some people actually look for things to complain about~

rn1tv 05-28-2014 05:08 PM

By no means are my comments directed at any religious group. I, myself, am a non practicing Catholic who disagrees with some of the beliefs of the Catholic church, but believe that people should be able to live the lifestyle they chose whether I agree with it or not. Unfortunately, I think the person who reported this was more offended with the "couple" than the statue. Again, just my humble opinion.

Carl in Tampa 05-28-2014 05:56 PM

Water Feature
 
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 884421)
This does look like it has nothing to do with the religious beliefs of this couple. They would have got the same result if it had been a statue of Elvis Presley, Dean Martin, George Clooney, George Patton, the Venus de Milo, or Harold Schwartz! The Villages (Florida) Photos: Statue of Harold Schwartz

If it had been a statue of Harold Schwartz the complaint might not have been sustained.

:a040::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::1rotfl:

Note that the Schwartz statue in the link your provided is part of a "water feature."

:clap2:

billethkid 05-28-2014 06:27 PM

I would have it installed in the garage with very prominent/focused lighting and very frequently (most of the time) forget to put the door down!!!

Rags123 05-28-2014 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 884557)
I would have it installed in the garage with very prominent/focused lighting and very frequently (most of the time) forget to put the door down!!!

AND invite neighbors over for evening prayers ???? :)

zcaveman 05-28-2014 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker;88***3
Typical poor reporting.

There is NO HOA in The Villages.

As far as fines go, I so far have not read of any specific structure for fines. Has anyone else?

Dependent upon which village these guys live in, the Statue is OK under the eaves of the home, front or back.

Something is not right about this article.

Go to VCDD Community Standards

and look at the fines for your CDD.

Z

buggyone 05-28-2014 08:10 PM

Here, north of 466, we can have our statuary on the lawn with no issue.

I am very glad there is no problem with my entire flock of pink flamingos all hoisting an ice-cold Yeungling to St. Francis. :D

DonH57 05-28-2014 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 884584)
Here, north of 466, we can have our statuary on the lawn with no issue.

I am very glad there is no problem with my entire flock of pink flamingos all hoisting an ice-cold Yeungling to St. Francis. :D

Very good. There is a house near us with a cannon in the front yard. I don't know if it's preemptive move on his part or what.:22yikes:

DougB 05-28-2014 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 884592)
Very good. There is a house near us with a cannon in the front yard. I don't know if it's preemptive move on his part or what.:22yikes:

Is it pointed at some pink flamingoes?

CFrance 05-28-2014 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 884594)
Is it pointed at some pink flamingoes?

That's a long shot from Tamarind Grove to Buggy!

DonH57 05-28-2014 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 884594)
Is it pointed at some pink flamingoes?

I'm not sure but the next time I pass by with the cart I'll stop and see where it's aimed. If he comes out to ask what I'm doing I'll ask him how it set him back because i'd to have a couple. Great lawn ornament.:D

HMLRHT1 05-28-2014 09:09 PM

Folks, if you don't like something like the red and green house for instance then you need to file a complaint with Community Watch or Community Standards. Community Watch will not take it upon itself to file a complaint. So I'm sure you will see violations but unless reported there is nothing that's going to happen.

Baileysmom 05-28-2014 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 884607)
I'm not sure but the next time I pass by with the cart I'll stop and see where it's aimed. If he comes out to ask what I'm doing I'll ask him how it set him back because i'd to have a couple. Great lawn ornament.:D

Ummmm that would be NO. :)

DonH57 05-28-2014 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Baileysmom (Post 884632)
Ummmm that would be NO. :)

Better a cannon than a statue of the Brussels urinating fountain boy.chilout

Shirleevee 05-28-2014 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pooh;88***2
Unfortunate for them, but them's the rules......however, I thought you could have it out front if it was under the eaves line. St. Francis adorns a yard on our street.....it's nice to see him. So far, no complaints about this.

St. Francis must be careful, the hate patrol is out there!

Shirleevee 05-28-2014 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl;88***4
Lawn ornaments aren't allowed south of 466 unless they are under your eaves or an approved part of your landscaping. I don't think it smacks of anything more than that. Just a deed restriction.


Where do these boys live?

I think one should read between the lines.......I pass many many homes south of 466 and none of them have been turned in for this:police: horrific violation!

KittyKat 05-28-2014 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rn1tv (Post 884523)
By no means are my comments directed at any religious group. I, myself, am a non practicing Catholic who disagrees with some of the beliefs of the Catholic church, but believe that people should be able to live the lifestyle they chose whether I agree with it or not. Unfortunately, I think the person who reported this was more offended with the "couple" than the statue. Again, just my humble opinion.

:agree: I think you hit the nail on the head! One of the partners said he thought he knew who it was and that the person lived 3 miles away. So the person drove all the way over there just to take that picture & start trouble. They said they have lived there for 7 years so apparently the neighbors are OK with the statue unless there are some new neighbors.

On Odell Circle, a house right across from the Amelia pool complex used to have a Virgin Mary in the backyard (facing the street.) The homeowners had landscape rock & a border around it and I enjoyed seeing it. It was up for a little while and then suddenly gone. This was several years ago. Poor Virgin Mary.

Personally, I think they need to add NO PLASTIC FLOWERS ALLOWED! to the deed restrictions.

uprivergirl 05-29-2014 12:28 AM

Thank you Steven for the link.

gerryann 05-29-2014 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KittyKat (Post 884654)

Personally, I think they need to add NO PLASTIC FLOWERS ALLOWED! to the deed restrictions.

If plastic flowers make someone happy and "they" think it looks good......why does anyone else care? I understand all of these "rules" that we agreed to when we moved here, but really, what difference does it really make in the end? I don't believe that statues, flamingos or plastic flowers will affect anyone's property value. Anyone who calls and complains about such petty things, needs to find a hobby and get a life.

Sanibel7 05-29-2014 10:07 AM

The travesty of this whole thing is that couple who are complaining are blaming the wrong person for reporting this. The gentleman they named on facebook and in the news works for the community Stds dept and was just doing his job responding to a complaint. Pictures are taken when a deed compliance infraction occurs. They unjustly went after the gentleman without checking any facts and were just looking for someone to blame for their own error. If they have a problem they should contest it with the District 7 board not the hard working folks of this community.

Taltarzac725 05-29-2014 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sanibel7 (Post 884813)
The travesty of this whole thing is that couple who are complaining are blaming the wrong person for reporting this. The gentleman they named on facebook and in the news works for the community Stds dept and was just doing his job responding to a complaint. Pictures are taken when a deed compliance infraction occurs. They unjustly went after the gentleman without checking any facts and were just looking for someone to blame for their own error. If they have a problem they should contest it with the District 7 board not the hard working folks of this community.

I am glad that's clear. The simplest explanation often is the right one. They violated the deed restriction and that's all that happened.

mixsonci 05-29-2014 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OldManTime (Post 884353)
There are HOA's in the Villages

I agree, if it quacks like a duck etc etc. Call it HOA or Amenities, it's basically the same thing.

gerryann 05-29-2014 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sanibel7 (Post 884813)
The travesty of this whole thing is that couple who are complaining are blaming the wrong person for reporting this. The gentleman they named on facebook and in the news works for the community Stds dept and was just doing his job responding to a complaint. Pictures are taken when a deed compliance infraction occurs. They unjustly went after the gentleman without checking any facts and were just looking for someone to blame for their own error. If they have a problem they should contest it with the District 7 board not the hard working folks of this community.

What is the Facebook site?

Culvers2Villages 05-29-2014 11:31 AM

:024::wave:We live in the Marion County Portion of the Villages... Chatham... In this portion of the Villages, there are no lawn ornaments allowed (thank you Jesus) However, if it's on your porch or under the eaves of the house, it is allowed... Anything else must be part of the landscaping such as flowering pots...
I really like this restriction... if you wonder why, just drive through some of the older sections where this is NOT a restriction... You could be living next door to Pee-Wee Herman!!!
I don't believe this has anything to do with the "Virgin Mary" or any religious innuendo... It's a restriction for The Villages and I am very happy with it... Even when they told me I had to remove my very nice Wooden Lighthouse from my front flower bed...:wave:

njbchbum 05-29-2014 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 884592)
Very good. There is a house near us with a cannon in the front yard. I don't know if it's preemptive move on his part or what.:22yikes:

Bet it is there to keep dogs off the lawn! ;)

gerryann 05-29-2014 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Culvers2Villages (Post 884867)
:024::wave:We live in the Marion County Portion of the Villages... Chatham... In this portion of the Villages, there are no lawn ornaments allowed (thank you Jesus) However, if it's on your porch or under the eaves of the house, it is allowed... Anything else must be part of the landscaping such as flowering pots...
I really like this restriction... if you wonder why, just drive through some of the older sections where this is NOT a restriction... You could be living next door to Pee-Wee Herman!!!
I don't believe this has anything to do with the "Virgin Mary" or any religious innuendo... It's a restriction for The Villages and I am very happy with it... Even when they told me I had to remove my very nice Wooden Lighthouse from my front flower bed...:wave:

But that's why you bought where you bought and the folks in the old section bought where they did. Is it really necessary to refer negatively to the older section? They like it the way it is.....and you like it another way...(doesn't make there way wrong)....just drive around your neighborhood and look for violations, report them and all will be good......:oops:

PJOHNS2654 05-29-2014 12:28 PM

Hoa
 
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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 884396)
I did find reference to a HOA incorporated for Hickory Hill Hammock. Could not find one for Glenbrook yet.

I wonder if this means that those communities are not part of a CDD? It would seem that would not be a workable arrangement.

I was just informed of yet another legal HOA in The Villages in the Villas de Laguna. I am learning a lot today. Anybody know of anymore?

I live in The Villas Of Spanish Springs. We have a HOA as does Lagos and Sonoma.

onslowe 05-29-2014 12:45 PM

This whole non-story gets me annoyed. The media stink and cause more problems than they are worth (except the Weather Channel lol)

"Controversy brewing?" Don't think so. BS controversy "brewed up by us" would be more truthful. Loaded with buzz words like "priest" "partner" BVM statue. Come on people.

Who called the station? Who went after the 3 mile away guy? I saw some usage here of the word 'homophobe.' Apart from the fact that that word makes no sense from its true roots, this is not a story about homosexuals being targeted. This is about deed restrictions - the same ones for all people. Posters here have already proven that.

It's not about religious statues, ex-priests, 'partners' and there's no controversy. We all chose to live under deed restrictions in the Villages we picked. I hope this false and sickening media nonsense stops and with it the 'poor victim' routine. Get out of the spotlight, please.

graciegirl 05-29-2014 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by onslowe (Post 884892)
This whole non-story gets me annoyed. The media stink and cause more problems than they are worth (except the Weather Channel lol)

"Controversy brewing?" Don't think so. BS controversy "brewed up by us" would be more truthful. Loaded with buzz words like "priest" "partner" BVM statue. Come on people.

Who called the station? Who went after the 3 mile away guy? I saw some usage here of the word 'homophobe.' Apart from the fact that that word makes no sense from its true roots, this is not a story about homosexuals being targeted. This is about deed restrictions - the same ones for all people. Posters here have already proven that.

It's not about religious statues, ex-priests, 'partners' and there's no controversy. We all chose to live under deed restrictions in the Villages we picked. I hope this false and sickening media nonsense stops and with it the 'poor victim' routine. Get out of the spotlight, please.


Well said. As usual.

NotGolfer 05-29-2014 01:10 PM

Amen to what Gracie and Onslowe said!! Then add this to the social media and we've got a debate going! Hope the administrator closes the thread!

Indydealmaker 05-29-2014 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PJOHNS2654 (Post 884888)
I live in The Villas Of Spanish Springs. We have a HOA as does Lagos and Sonoma.

Was your HOA formed for the purpose of making sure that everyone paid for their share of the "wall"?

PennBF 05-29-2014 01:35 PM

Consequences
 
There are rules and when a person buys in The Village's they sign and agree to deed restrictions. I have no sympthy when somone decides they can just ignore their agreement/commitment and put others in the terrible position of
calling them on their actions. Saying it is a retired Priest is just a way of saying that because of his religion and position he/she can violate the rules. It was not meant for them. WRONG. The rules are for all. I would hold the same position if it was a Methodist Minister or any other person who relies on thier position as an excuse to ignore rules. It is annoying to see some actually have this sense of entitlement.

EnglishJW 05-29-2014 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 6 (Post 884426)
Just so that I understand it, he moves into the Villages, agrees (in writing) to the deed restrictions and then thinks he has a moral commitment to contest one he doesn't like.

Like Baretta said, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!"

If this is the case, I agree with you. The deed restrictions are part of the fabric here. We've all lived elsewhere and selected TV for what it is as opposed to how things were where we were. We love that fine line that has somehow been maintained where everyone has some measure of freedom but lives within an agreed upon set of constraints. We love to just look around where everything is attractive and well kept but not all identical.

Indydealmaker 05-29-2014 02:33 PM

Benefit of the Doubt
 
Not to excuse a violation of deed restrictions, but I believe that all too often the actual restrictions go unread. People have a tendency to go by anecdotal interpretations.

As an example: if you had not read the actual deed restrictions, would you have thought that a non-descript 2-foot tall religious statue would be considered a lawn ornament? I would not have. However, the deed restrictions, at least in my CDD clearly include religious figures under the category of prohibited lawn ornaments.

I suspect that the original notification could have been handled better. Then a line in the sand was drawn. Embarrassment experienced. Push-back. Then publicity.

The news reporter performed zero due diligence evidenced by the fact that he kept referring to a HOA rule, which in this instance did not exist. If the reporter had spent ten more minutes, he would have read the deed restriction and fully understood that there was no "religious" aspect to this incident. That little fact could have been part of the interview.

Consequently, two wrongs were involved. First, the homeowner obviously did not read the deed restrictions. Second, the reporter, who could have reported the dispute by representing "both" sides of the story,

However, I did learn something new out of all of this. There actually are small, limited purpose HOAs within the CDDs.

kittygilchrist 05-29-2014 03:11 PM

yawn. not at you indy, just the whole mess of us people.

America, America, God shed his grace on thee, and crown thy good with brotherhood from sea to shining sea.

Indydealmaker 05-29-2014 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kittygilchrist (Post 884952)
yawn. not at you indy, just the whole mess of us people.

America, America, God shed his grace on thee, and crown thy good with brotherhood from sea to shining sea.

America, America, God shed his grace on thee
and crown thy good
with brotherhood,
rife with sibling rivalry
from sea to shining sea
:icon_twisted:

gemorc 05-29-2014 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 884985)
America, America, God shed his grace on thee
and crown thy good
with brotherhood,
rife with sibling rivalry
from sea to shining sea
:icon_twisted:

Bravo! Maybe the guy, in the Village of Santo Domingo, will salute you with the canon he has in his front yard.

njbchbum 05-29-2014 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 884905)
Was your HOA formed for the purpose of making sure that everyone paid for their share of the "wall"?

Indy - go here :
Village Community Development Districts
and then click on Spanish Springs Villas [pts 1 and 2], Vista Lago and Vista Sonoma and you can read all about the reasons for same to your hearts content - goes waaaayyy beyond your question!


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