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airstreamingypsy 10-10-2023 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by birdawg (Post 2264129)
doubt that would be allowed you can’t even have a little cross.

Bait.... 2.0

Normal 10-10-2023 08:25 AM

Call the Fire Department
 
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Originally Posted by Twinsull (Post 2264006)
Checking to see if anyone else in the Villages has a view of Propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments?

This is very unsafe, especially in a community where homes are so closely constructed. They are bombs that have a shuddering potential. The Fire Department needs called ASAP.

Bill14564 10-10-2023 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2264192)
6.30.2.3
No part of an underground or mounded ASME container shall be less than 10 ft (3 m) from a building or line of adjoining property that can be built upon.

OMG....what kind of hillbilly trailer park thing they got going on here?!?!?!?!? There's enough propane in those tanks to power that generator for a month!!! And when's the last time we've needed this????

Unless my eyes are deceiving me there is no way those tanks are beyond 10 feet from the house. Depending on who's rocks they are adjacent to the house they may not even be on their own property. A lot of people making a lot of wrong assumptions of what they actually own in these patio villa homes.
If it were me I would not call anybody but the fire department. They'll take care of it.

Your eyes *are* deceiving you. Those tanks are neither underground nor mounded.

From a quick look at a few links, that amount of propane would run the generator for 48-72 hours.

Wondering 10-10-2023 08:37 AM

Tanks are for a generator and should be buried in The Villages.

Justputt 10-10-2023 09:10 AM

I don't get the propane use when you can get NG versions of these generators and NG is at pretty much every house.

Normal 10-10-2023 09:18 AM

Don’t even need a version
 
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Originally Posted by Justputt (Post 2264220)
I don't get the propane use when you can get NG versions of these generators and NG is at pretty much every house.

You don’t need any special version for natural gas or propane, just change the orifice. The conversion piece comes with the Gentech.

Bill14564 10-10-2023 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Justputt (Post 2264220)
I don't get the propane use when you can get NG versions of these generators and NG is at pretty much every house.

Pretty much every house *where*? No NG in my neighborhood

Vermilion Villager 10-10-2023 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2264207)
Your eyes *are* deceiving you. Those tanks are neither underground nor mounded.

From a quick look at a few links, that amount of propane would run the generator for 48-72 hours.

No they are not....Buried tanks are considered safer than above ground....and even those cannot be closer than 10'. (my other house is in Northern MN 18 miles from Canada and I have propane...I know the rules)
Using your "quick" lookup stats. If what you found is true, and he only has enough propane for 2 days of use then he is royally screwed!!! Think about it... In a major disaster that requires a generator to kick in do you really beleive someone's going to get a propane fill in 48hrs?!?!?!?!?:1rotfl::1rotfl:

Bill14564 10-10-2023 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2264231)
No they are not....Buried tanks are considered safer than above ground....and even those cannot be closer than 10'. (my other house is in Northern MN 18 miles from Canada and I have propane...I know the rules)
Using your "quick" lookup stats. If what you found is true, and he only has enough propane for 2 days of use then he is royally screwed!!! Think about it... In a major disaster that requires a generator to kick in do you really beleive someone's going to get a propane fill in 48hrs?!?!?!?!?:1rotfl::1rotfl:

The rules in northern MN aren’t applicable here. I would trust the Amerigas site and the installer.

48 hours is longer than any outage here that I am aware of. 48 hours is longer than I have. 48 hours might be a Florida requirement for certain care facilities and therefore a useful time to shoot for. 48 hours is a LOT longer than I would like to live without AC in a Florida summer.

Vermilion Villager 10-10-2023 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2264232)
The rules in northern MN aren’t applicable here. I would trust the Amerigas site and the installer.

48 hours is longer than any outage here that I am aware of. 48 hours is longer than I have. 48 hours might be a Florida requirement for certain care facilities and therefore a useful time to shoot for. 48 hours is a LOT longer than I would like to live without AC in a Florida summer.

These rules are a national standard.
You mention Amerigas. Fine.....here's from their website. They also state 10' rule. Also...the tank MUST be on a slab....clearly these are not! :ho:
All About Propane Tanks: Regulations, Sizes and Placement.

vintageogauge 10-10-2023 10:00 AM

It they ever have the need for rolling blackouts in this area one of those would sure be nice to have, expensive but nice.

Bill14564 10-10-2023 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2264233)
These rules are a national standard.
You mention Amerigas. Fine.....here's from their website. They also state 10' rule. Also...the tank MUST be on a slab....clearly these are not! :ho:
All About Propane Tanks: Regulations, Sizes and Placement.

How large do you think those tanks are? (Hint: much smaller than 2,000 gallons)

Highlight the section on smaller tanks and concrete slab please.

Justputt 10-10-2023 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2264227)
Pretty much every house *where*? No NG in my neighborhood

Interesting, as NG was the default (water heater, clothes dryer, stove) for our neighborhood. There's not even an outlet with the required power for an electric clothes dryer (cost extra to wire it in). Maybe this just a trend in newer builds or certain designs.

Normal 10-10-2023 10:23 AM

Entire Village has NG
 
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Originally Posted by Justputt (Post 2264237)
Interesting, as NG was the default (water heater, clothes dryer, stove) for our neighborhood. There's not even an outlet with the required power for an electric clothes dryer (cost extra to wire it in). Maybe this just a trend in newer builds or certain designs.

The Sawgrass area has natural gas. The small wall mounted heaters are income for our Defibrillator program. Volunteers clean them with a pump and vinegar for 50 dollar donations to the fund.

TEXJK 10-10-2023 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RRGuyNJ (Post 2264166)
Yep, ban generators that run a few minutes a week fir maintenance! Yeah, great idea!.
When the lights go out due to a storm, and it will eventually happen, you will wish you had a generator.

And the one’s complaining will the one’s knocking on your door Can we come sit in the AC lol

defrey12 10-10-2023 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2264020)
Should be reported to Community Standards its an obvious not to Florida Code.

Excuse me? How EXACTLY is it obvious? Do you have the codes in front of you? If so, do you actually know how to read them? Yeah, I thought so.

defrey12 10-10-2023 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2264023)
Can you post a link to that code so we all could understand it?

👍👍👍

defrey12 10-10-2023 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2264056)
It looks unsightly, but it is probably legal. I would be more concerned about the noise from the generator. I think these generators should be banned, especially in villa neighborhoods.

NO banning! There are these pesky things guaranteed by the constitution called PROPERTY RIGHTS. If they don’t violate the CCRs, then well within their RIGHTS! It never runs anyway (because we don’t have power outages) so what’s your “noise issue?”

kkingston57 10-10-2023 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bragones (Post 2264170)
Generators don't only run in emergency situations. They also run weekly to "exercise" them.

Agree and so do the mowers which are louder than these generators.

retiredguy123 10-10-2023 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2264233)
These rules are a national standard.
You mention Amerigas. Fine.....here's from their website. They also state 10' rule. Also...the tank MUST be on a slab....clearly these are not! :ho:
All About Propane Tanks: Regulations, Sizes and Placement.

The 10 foot rule only applies to tanks larger than 125 gallons. These appear to be 120 gallon tanks. Also, they are on a precast slab, similar to the slabs that HVAC units are placed on. They very well could be in compliance with the code.

Lyn Wagner 10-10-2023 05:56 PM

I would be afraid of fire or explosion.

Andyhope 10-11-2023 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2264028)
Thank you

Victor. It’s works in DC😩

RICH1 10-11-2023 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2264060)
Looks like a fish hook is trying to be set.

More concerning is the Dish on the Roof! This is 2023, Streaming is the only way to go..

deputydoc 10-11-2023 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Twinsull (Post 2264006)
Checking to see if anyone else in the Villages has a view of Propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments?

Propane tanks are NOT allowed in The Villages

Janie123 10-11-2023 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2264045)
Unless you can point to a Florida code that differs from the code in the link above, these seem to be okay. 100gal tanks have no required distance from the house and only 10ft required to a window. These *seem* to comply with that.

Not sure those tanks are >10ft from the neighbors windows.

Vermilion Villager 10-11-2023 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2264235)
How large do you think those tanks are? (Hint: much smaller than 2,000 gallons)

Highlight the section on smaller tanks and concrete slab please.

Those tanks are 125 gallons. I should know I have one for my garage at my lake home in Minnesota. The setback IS 10' The setback IS a national standard.

Robojo 10-11-2023 08:53 AM

Generarc
 
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Originally Posted by Twinsull (Post 2264006)
Checking to see if anyone else in the Villages has a view of Propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments?

Why don't people buy the all electric Generarc? My dad has it and it powers the whole house for almost 2 weeks. No noise. No impending explosions, no unsightly tanks.

Could you try speaking with your neighbors prior to filing a complaint? Maybe they don't know of any better way to ensure their survival during a power outage.

We should be helping each other!

Bill14564 10-11-2023 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2264493)
Those tanks are 125 gallons. I should know I have one for my garage at my lake home in Minnesota. The setback IS 10' The setback IS a national standard.

It seems like the outside dimensions of a 120gal tank and a 125gal tank are the same. Perhaps there is a difference internally. Perhaps the tanks are the same but by law they can only be filled to a certain level if they are within 10ft of a home.

I believe whoever installed those tanks (assuming the homeowner didn't bring them home in the back of his Mazda) would know and respect the local codes. But the OP has already been provided with a simple solution: contact the VPSD for their expert opinion.

OhioBuckeye 10-11-2023 09:24 AM

How do these propane tanks release pressure from heat. I’m asking only because my 20 lb. Propane tank is hooked up to my grill & I keep it in garage, yea that’s stupid too. Knock on wood I’ve stored my grill in my garage for probably 40 yrs. But I agree with you propane tanks are bombs, just waiting to be ignited.

Bill14564 10-11-2023 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Robojo (Post 2264494)
Why don't people buy the all electric Generarc? My dad has it and it powers the whole house for almost 2 weeks. No noise. No impending explosions, no unsightly tanks.

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Would love to see a link for that! Got to be one heck of a stack of batteries!

HJBeck 10-11-2023 11:38 AM

Sure looks like it is for the generator in front of those two. When you lose power once every several years you might wish you had one. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s for medical reasons. Of course some one may be running their online business from their house. ???

retiredguy123 10-11-2023 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by deputydoc (Post 2264401)
Propane tanks are NOT allowed in The Villages

Is that written down anywhere?

Keefelane66 10-11-2023 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2264508)
Would love to see a link for that! Got to be one heck of a stack of batteries!

Not as big as you might think
Generac Power Systems - PWRcell

dewilson58 10-11-2023 02:40 PM

Almost 100 posts on a photo shopped picture and fake information.

Love it!!!

Be careful removing that fish hook.

Bill14564 10-11-2023 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Robojo (Post 2264494)
Why don't people buy the all electric Generarc? My dad has it and it powers the whole house for almost 2 weeks. No noise. No impending explosions, no unsightly tanks.

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2264508)
Would love to see a link for that! Got to be one heck of a stack of batteries!

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2264578)
Not as big as you might think
Generac Power Systems - PWRcell

Thank you.

So for $18K I can get a 9kWh system installed. For somewhat more ($40K?) I can get more batteries and have a 36kWh system. According to my last SECO bill I use about 40kWh/day. So my $40K investment will run my home for most of 24 hours - then I'm out of luck. This is much less then two weeks.

If I didn't use AC or hot water it would last for much longer. If I didn't use AC or hot water I could get by with a 2,000W Honda generator for about $1,500.

The PowerCell with the solar panels might be a great way to save money but it doesn't appear to be a solution for a long-duration power outage.

OTOH: Since most (all?) of our outages are short, even the $18K version ought to be able to ride through one. I might look into that!

MrChip72 10-11-2023 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2264201)
This is very unsafe, especially in a community where homes are so closely constructed. They are bombs that have a shuddering potential. The Fire Department needs called ASAP.

There is many households all over the northern US where it's standard to have these types of tanks for heating, usually along with firewood. On average 600 total propane explosions happen each year in the US. A large majority are from the 20lb propane grill tanks.

215k car explosions occur each year in the US. These explosions are much more powerful than a 20lb propane tank explosion. Should people panic if they see a couple of cars in someone's driveway, or even worse parked in a garage?

dhdallas 10-11-2023 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Twinsull (Post 2264006)
Checking to see if anyone else in the Villages has a view of Propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments?

Wow! Wait until the two ladies in a golf cart with their clipboard see that! Those tanks will be history (unless maybe they paint a white cross on them).


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