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RichieB 12-22-2011 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by skyguy79 (Post 431740)
I guess that means that you didn't work for Congress! :1rotfl:

Definitely NOT ! I worked for the phone company.......

(ducking)

skyguy79 12-22-2011 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RichieB (Post 431781)
Definitely NOT ! I worked for the phone company.......

(ducking)

You think you gotta duck? I worked for the DMV Issuing Office in Albany! http://www.paw-talk.net/forums/image.../dec/caked.gif

Boudicca 12-22-2011 01:19 PM

The rules, iz, the rules
 
We too moved to TV because of the rules. We hope the investment in our homes and lifestyle amenities will be protected by the rules we all agree to, when we purchase here.

SarFred 12-22-2011 01:28 PM

wind chimes
 
What about wind chimes? Our neighbor, who is also the enforcer on the block, has put wind chimes in his tree which clack and clatter all day long. He made another person move their lawn ornament next to their lanai, but at least the lawn ornament is noise pollution. I know some people like the sound of clacking bamboo, or chimes, but I appreciate the quiet. Not sure what to do because it is a delicate situation. Any advice? Earplugs at night? :)

Bogie Shooter 12-22-2011 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SarFred (Post 431801)
What about wind chimes? Our neighbor, who is also the enforcer on the block, has put wind chimes in his tree which clack and clatter all day long. He made another person move their lawn ornament next to their lanai, but at least the lawn ornament is noise pollution. I know some people like the sound of clacking bamboo, or chimes, but I appreciate the quiet. Not sure what to do because it is a delicate situation. Any advice? Earplugs at night? :)

Tell the "enforcer" that the chimes bother the neighbors. If he doesn't take them down relieve him of his duties as enforcer!:clap2:

skyguy79 12-22-2011 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SarFred (Post 431801)
What about wind chimes? Our neighbor, who is also the enforcer on the block, has put wind chimes in his tree which clack and clatter all day long. He made another person move their lawn ornament next to their lanai, but at least the lawn ornament is noise pollution. I know some people like the sound of clacking bamboo, or chimes, but I appreciate the quiet. Not sure what to do because it is a delicate situation. Any advice? Earplugs at night? :)

What are enforcers, who appoints them and where can one find a list of enforcers?

Bogie Shooter 12-22-2011 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by skyguy79 (Post 431803)
What are enforcers, who appoints them and where can one find a list of enforcers?

Usually nosy busybodies.

skip0358 12-22-2011 02:09 PM

If u really want your paradise
 
:boom:Everyone wants to believe the rules are the rules and they must be enforced.I agree with this and it's why I moved here also. However they are only enforced if the violation is reported and very few people would rat out their neighbors. So the fountain that never runs water,the nice lawn ornament,the camper or motor home in the road with water and power running from the house, the boat in the driveway, the rubbermaid storage locker that sticks above the villa wall, the work that's being done without permission or didn't go to ARB,the person with more pets then allowed and even though it's not in the deeds don't tell me how fast I can drive my golf cart etc. As TV gets bigger there will only be more of this happening. The only way to prevent this is to call a in a complaint. You don't have to give your name.
:spoken::agree:

RichieB 12-22-2011 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 431804)
Usually nosy busybodies.

Are they OFFICIAL enforcers, or "self appointed" (nosy busybodies) ?

cappyjon431 12-22-2011 03:14 PM

Years ago my wife and I bought a beautiful home in a covenent restricted neighborhood in Wilmington, N.C. While we were not big fans of living with all the rules and regulations (we had never lived in that type of neighborhood before), we knew what we were buying into and agreed to follow the rules. When enforcement started to slip and the neighborhood started to decline a little my wife and I both joined the HOA executive board and returned things to the way they were supposed to be.

Opportunity knocked and we sold our house and moved out of the country. We were sad to leave our neighbors but were proud that when we left, the neighborhood looked better than when we moved in.

We went back to look at our old neighborhood this past July and were shocked at what we found. Run-down is an understatement. Grass three feet high in front of numerous houses, cars up on blocks, some driveways had six cars in them (one of our old neighbors said that some of the houses now had extended family--as many as twelve occupants!). I've seen more attractive ghettos. I was glad me moved when we had, but we were also very saddened to see the rapid decline of this once beautiful neighborhood. We felt bad for some of our old neighbors who had stayed behind and now couldn't sell their homes.

Ignoring one rule leads to lack of respect for ALL the rules. I don't want to see this happen here.

thistrucksforyou 12-22-2011 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pooh (Post 431533)
When we bought our homes here in TV, we were informed that the community had deed restrictions, CC&R's in other words. We were to have read them and sign off that we had done so. Having lived in a development for 30 years with CC&R's, I didn't find this to be very troublesome. It was easy to read the restrictions and honestly, they weren't much different from ones we had lived with prior to moving to this wonderful part of Florida.
While living in that community in CA, I was involved with the homeowners association and some of those duties included helping homeowners who were subjected to things that were forbidden by the CC&R's because some in the development felt that the rules weren't applicable to them. One infraction caused a breakup of friendships and the eventual move of a family. Sadly I was a part of the enforcement section of that deed restriction and the stress of the entire situation almost made me move away...but the HOA was correct in enforcing their rules...the city also had the restriction as part of the land deed. No one wanted a very tall CB antenna in the neighborhood and neither did the city. Heck we absolutely could not have outdoor antennas and this family wanted everyone to ignore the rules because, heck, they were nice people. Yes, they were....until they wanted all to ignore this little rule for them. It went over like a brick balloon.

My point is and it did take me a while to get to it, didn't it.... :) we have some in TV who feel that some of the rules are insignificant and infractions of those rules are not earth shaking....true, but when one acknowledges that they have read the rules and by purchasing their lot, acknowledges that they will live by them, why do they suddenly decide not to? Is it because they have come from an area where they had no such thing? Guess I'm very sensitive about this, having had to deal with many irate neighbors, take some to small claims court, etc, in order to keep our community as nice as when we first moved in....and we were the second family to move into the development.

I'll get off my soapbox now, but maybe only one foot. The other one is still up there....just incase I feel the need to sound off again. The rules here aren't difficult to live with. Okay, other foot is now firmly planted on the ground.

These are the same people who think highway rules don.t apply to them either such as use of turn signals ,stay right except to pass,going the speed limit and so on....RULES ...just follow them...:boxing2:

Skip2MySue 12-22-2011 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thistrucksforyou (Post 431856)
These are the same people who think highway rules don.t apply to them either such as use of turn signals ,stay right except to pass,going the speed limit and so on....RULES ...just follow them...:boxing2:

And who would better know then a truck driver from UPS who has to put up with these people who find driving secondary to chatting on their cell phone, texting or redoing their makeup and hair with the blow dryer plugged into the cigarette lighter.:cus:
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RichieB 12-22-2011 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip2MySue (Post 431860)
And who would better know then a truck driver from UPS who has to put up with these people who find driving secondary to chatting on their cell phone, texting or redoing their makeup and hair with the blow dryer plugged into the cigarette lighter.:cus:
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Oh, don't get me started........... !!

Skip2MySue 12-22-2011 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pooh (Post 431607)

Speaking of stuffed, we have a 3' tall goose that stands watch over our home in the flower bed in NJ. DW has probably spent $200 on various costumes for Mr. Goose which are changed based on the season or holiday. All our fellow neighbors seem to enjoy the display but it doesn't sound like when we graduate from Snowflakes to Frogs our Goose will be welcomed?
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Bogie Shooter 12-22-2011 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RichieB (Post 431817)
Are they OFFICIAL enforcers, or "self appointed" (nosy busybodies) ?

Nothing official about somebody going around the neighborhood telling people what to do.

BobKat1 12-22-2011 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 431869)
Nothing official about somebody going around the neighborhood telling people what to do.

So the restrictions and covenants are just "suggestions"?

angiefox10 12-22-2011 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip2MySue (Post 431866)
Speaking of stuffed, we have a 3' tall goose that stands watch over our home in the flower bed in NJ. DW has probably spent $200 on various costumes for Mr. Goose which are changed based on the season or holiday. All our fellow neighbors seem to enjoy the display but it doesn't sound like when we graduate from Snowflakes to Frogs our Goose will be welcomed?
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My girlfriend puts her goose under her porch. She said that's OK.

pauld315 12-22-2011 06:57 PM

We live in an area that has a lot of rules. We have been here 15 years and it still looks as good as when we moved in. About 8 years ago or so, when mortgages were easy to get (subprime), we had several new neighbors move in that were clearly not up to the same economic level as the ones who had left. They started doing things that were against the covenants. I would just call the HOA and they would take care of it. Eventually, they stopped breaking the covenants and complied. I am sure they suspect it was me that was turning them in, but I don't care. They were perfect examples of people who see their neighbor get away with something and then they feel they can do it as well. All I want is to live in a nice neighborhood where the houses maintain their value. I have lived in the other type neighborhoods and it is horrible when the neighbor has an old dishwasher out at the curb for months and junk cars in the driveway and on the street and you can't do anything about it. I can't wait to get to TV, it is very similar to where I live today in terms of being kept up.

LvmyPug2 12-22-2011 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip2MySue (Post 431866)
Speaking of stuffed, we have a 3' tall goose that stands watch over our home in the flower bed in NJ. DW has probably spent $200 on various costumes for Mr. Goose which are changed based on the season or holiday. All our fellow neighbors seem to enjoy the display but it doesn't sound like when we graduate from Snowflakes to Frogs our Goose will be welcomed?
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Nope, Mr Goose would most definitely NOT be welcomed in TV. If you want it to move with you, you'll need to keep him indoors or move to a community without deed restrictions pertaining to lawn ornaments.

angiefox10 12-22-2011 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LvmyPug2 (Post 431929)
Nope, Mr Goose would most definitely NOT be welcomed in TV. If you want it to move with you, you'll need to keep him indoors or move to a community without deed restrictions pertaining to lawn ornaments.

Can't put him next to the door under the porch? I did see all kinds of items under the porches. Flags, goose (or is it geese) table and chairs, statues, etc.

Bogie Shooter 12-22-2011 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BobKat1 (Post 431880)
So the restrictions and covenants are just "suggestions"?

For somebody who has over 800 posts on this site, you must have read many times the rules are the rules. If you break them somebody will let you know.
Or are you just trying to stimulate the discussion? Huh?
BTW you can go here to read what they are.........http://www.districtgov.org/departmen.../download.aspx

VillagesFlorida 12-22-2011 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip2MySue (Post 431866)
Speaking of stuffed, we have a 3' tall goose that stands watch over our home in the flower bed in NJ. DW has probably spent $200 on various costumes for Mr. Goose which are changed based on the season or holiday. All our fellow neighbors seem to enjoy the display but it doesn't sound like when we graduate from Snowflakes to Frogs our Goose will be welcomed?
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Your goose might be welcomed if it resides north of CR 466. We can have lawn ornaments, statues, etc. in our yards. Most folks do a good job of not overdoing it but I have seen a few "decorations" that I wouldn't want on the lawn next door to mine. One of our neighbors actually has a goose that she dresses according to the holiday, time of year, etc. Perhaps your goose and this one could become best friends?

buggyone 12-22-2011 11:30 PM

I really like the life-sized Dalmation dogs that sit by some driveways north of 466. Some of the people have reindeer antlers on their dogs now and one has a Santa hat.

Yes, us folks north of 466 do enjoy the lawn ornaments.

mulligan 12-23-2011 06:33 AM

The restrictions are enforced by the department of community standards. Each county has one. Once the developer records the restrictions, this department takes on the enforcement. All it takes is a phone call to get the process started. They respond quickly in Sumter County.

graciegirl 12-23-2011 06:39 AM

When we moved into our new home in Hadley, one of the near neighbors had 46 lawn ornaments in the backyard and we lived near enough to see the identity of each and to be able to count them.

These same nice people had several ornaments in the front yard and a couple of large pots with artificial flowers. The ornaments and artificial flowers and a couple of the pots in the front yard were subsequently removed.

Even in the side and front yards in homes south of 466 some ornamentation is allowed but must be cleared first by ARC.

skip0358 12-23-2011 06:40 AM

Agree
 
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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 431989)
The restrictions are enforced by the department of community standards. Each county has one. Once the developer records the restrictions, this department takes on the enforcement. All it takes is a phone call to get the process started. They respond quickly in Sumter County.

Your so true all it takes is a phone call. Unfortunatly very few people will call on their neighbor. But when TV turns into a non abiding community then it's wow what happened, how'd it get this way. Somebody should do something.

Bogie Shooter 12-23-2011 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 431989)
The restrictions are enforced by the department of community standards. Each county has one. Once the developer records the restrictions, this department takes on the enforcement. All it takes is a phone call to get the process started. They respond quickly in Sumter County.

There is only one Department of Community Standards and is not a county function.
For more info...........
http://www.districtgov.org/departmen...standards.aspx

It is worth noting that: The Community Standards Deed Compliance Division is entirely complaint driven.


Contact Us
1894 Laurel Manor Drive
The Villages, FL 32162

Community Standards
Phone: 352-751-3912
Fax: 352-751-6707
Email Deed Compliance

Architectural Review
Phone: 352-751-6719
Fax: 352-751-6707
Email Architectural Review

Business Hours:
8am to 5pm, EST
Monday – Friday
Excluding Holidays

mulligan 12-23-2011 09:03 AM

I stand corrected. thanks & Merry Christmas

Whalen 12-23-2011 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 432018)
There is only one Department of Community Standards and is not a county function.
For more info...........
http://www.districtgov.org/departmen...standards.aspx

It is worth noting that: The Community Standards Deed Compliance Division is entirely complaint driven.


Contact Us
1894 Laurel Manor Drive
The Villages, FL 32162

Community Standards
Phone: 352-751-3912
Fax: 352-751-6707
Email Deed Compliance

Architectural Review
Phone: 352-751-6719
Fax: 352-751-6707
Email Architectural Review

Business Hours:
8am to 5pm, EST
Monday – Friday
Excluding Holidays

Thanks Bogie.

Yes, do note that this system is now complaint driven. Over the last few months I have noticed pink flamingos, gazing balls, garden fairies,
a religious grotto etc on front lawns.

Guess nobody is complaining.

Personally I am uncomfortable with this system. We should not have to be responsible for enforcing the covenants by calling in our neighbors.
When we moved here over 2 years it was the responsibility of Community Watch.

Skip2MySue 01-29-2012 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by VillagesFlorida (Post 431951)
Your goose might be welcomed if it resides north of CR 466. We can have lawn ornaments, statues, etc. in our yards. Most folks do a good job of not overdoing it but I have seen a few "decorations" that I wouldn't want on the lawn next door to mine. One of our neighbors actually has a goose that she dresses according to the holiday, time of year, etc. Perhaps your goose and this one could become best friends?

Because we live South of 466 in Pennecamp it sounds like my goose is cooked. No chance to raise a gaggle of little goslings:rolleyes:
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Happinow 01-29-2012 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by skyguy79 (Post 431799)
You think you gotta duck? I worked for the DMV Issuing Office in Albany! http://www.paw-talk.net/forums/image.../dec/caked.gif

Just try the DMV office in Queensbury......I'd rather walk than have to deal with them...

RichieB 01-29-2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 446742)
Just try the DMV office in Queensbury......I'd rather walk than have to deal with them...

Hang in there......not much longer......:)

Wing-nut2 01-29-2012 06:34 PM

:mademyday:

skyguy79 01-29-2012 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 446742)
Just try the DMV office in Queensbury......I'd rather walk than have to deal with them...

I was at the Queensbury DMV several years ago while camping at Lake George. I needed to do a transaction I forgot to do before going on vacation, so down there I went. When I got there the line was going out the door and before I made it in the computer went down. So as I wait there I pondered if I should tell those waiting near me if I should let them know who I was and where I work. I decided to do so and what I told them was that I was a DMV supervisor in Albany and isn't it poetic justice that one of us had to wait in line while the computer was down! They had a pretty good laugh at my comment. When talking to the supervisor from that office some time after my vacation was over she told me that I should have identified myself and they would have taken me in out back. I told her that's ok. I don't like looking for special favors despite my position.

As far dealing with them, I can't speak specficlly on your experiences, but having experienced the agony on both sides of the counter I can say that life behind the counter is by far much more difficult than in front of it. The public preceves our actions as our being difficult, but in fact a lot of it is because we don't have a choice in the matter and many times don't like what we ourselves have to do. Besides management pushes for quantity rather than quality. The public wants both, but that's not always possible. Damned if you do, damned if you don't! Anyway, I'm 10 years retired now and despite that, my opinion on the DMV service hasn't waivered one iota! I'm now more understanding than most when dealing with any DMV office - any state.

I'll get off my soapbox now. Someone's pusing me off so they can get on it! :1rotfl:

bluedog103 01-29-2012 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by skip0358 (Post 431991)
Your so true all it takes is a phone call. Unfortunatly very few people will call on their neighbor. But when TV turns into a non abiding community then it's wow what happened, how'd it get this way. Somebody should do something.

When I moved here I accepted the deed restrictions and as far as I know we comply with all of them and always will. That being said, it would take a major infraction for me to rat out a neighbor. First of all, when I have a problem with a neighbor I talk with that neighbor. Doesn't have to be a confrontation, usually just a conversation. I've never had to do that in TV but have done it in other places we've lived. I have enough of a backbone to speak with anyone face to face. I don't need anyone else to do it for me.
Second, some things just aren't that important to me. If they bother another resident, they all know how to knock on a door or dial a phone. I'm not about to walk around the neighborhood with a clipboard in hand.
You really have to make sure you know your neighbor. They can very easily crank up the stereo from 1 hour before sunrise and blast it until 10:00 P.M. They can have their guests routinely park in front of your home, day and night. There are ways to make you miserable which are perfectly legal. The identity of the enforcers is rarely a secret.

mulligan 01-30-2012 08:34 AM

The interesting part of the restrictions for my district is the last section which states each owner is obligated to see that the restrictions are enforced, up to and including litigation, and the developer has no such obligation. It's up to us folks!!

graciegirl 01-30-2012 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 446906)
The interesting part of the restrictions for my district is the last section which states each owner is obligated to see that the restrictions are enforced, up to and including litigation, and the developer has no such obligation. It's up to us folks!!


I had always understood that the deed restrictions would be enforced by the CDD. Perhaps pointing out the deed restrictions are told to them by someone in the neighborhood or who is passing by, but the penalties are handled first by warnings, than by fines. Both of our homes have been south of 466.

What district is your district Mulligan?

P.S. We haven't got a warning or a fine. We keep our flamingos in the garage and look at them there. ;)

mulligan 01-30-2012 09:45 AM

We're in district 8. The restrictions are enforced by community standards based on resident complaints, which can be anonymous.

skyguy79 01-30-2012 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 446920)
We keep our flamingos in the garage and look at them there. ;)

This got me thinking... I don't remember seeing anything in the DR's about mounting your flamingos on the front of your garage roof! :duck:


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