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Laker14 04-15-2022 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 2083990)
I am not a complainer in general but I do have a problem with the owners of a house across a pond and a fairway from me. The have mounted a high intensity spot light on the peak of their roof. It constantly rotates through an array of colors lighting up the ground and reflecting the different colors on the pond between us. It is very distracting to watch tv with with the light in the side of my vision. I no longer sit on my lanai at night to enjoy the peace and tranquility- instead I feel like I am in Wille Wonka’s chocolate factory. Of course it doesn’t bother the owners because they are inside but the light shines at my windows all night. Mounting such a light is prohibited in the deed restrictions. I do not want to confront the neighbors personally but this definitely decreases the enjoyment of my house. My next door neighbors shut their blinds but I hate a closed in feeling. The light changes colors every few seconds. It is kind of a psychedelic experience.

What you describe is a completely different situation than the ladies in the carts visiting neighborhoods they don't live in looking for violations that don't affect them. You are being directly affected by a violation. It may be that the offenders think everyone is enthralled with their "enhancement", or it may be that they don't care. Doesn't matter. If you are comfortable with introducing yourself and explaining your problem, go for it. If not, and you live in a CDD that allows anonymous complaints, do that. Either way, you are totally within your rights to have this situation rectified.

jimjamuser 04-16-2022 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2083955)
Flexibility in the rules is a slippery slope. Before you know it, there are no rules.

The residents of a particular Village should get to determine the amount of flexibility that they have - after all, they live there. They could determine what constitutes a "slippery slope". And I agree that the "flexibility" should have limits. I would think that the residents could be the deciding factor as to what constitutes an "eyesore" (by voting if necessary). NOT a system of a small number of trolls having excessive power to determine community standards. The community should determine its standards and have some flexibility. Replacing sidewalks and attractive landscaping rock with boring grass is not some GREAT community beautification TO ME !

jimjamuser 04-16-2022 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 2083990)
I am not a complainer in general but I do have a problem with the owners of a house across a pond and a fairway from me. The have mounted a high intensity spot light on the peak of their roof. It constantly rotates through an array of colors lighting up the ground and reflecting the different colors on the pond between us. It is very distracting to watch tv with with the light in the side of my vision. I no longer sit on my lanai at night to enjoy the peace and tranquility- instead I feel like I am in Wille Wonka’s chocolate factory. Of course it doesn’t bother the owners because they are inside but the light shines at my windows all night. Mounting such a light is prohibited in the deed restrictions. I do not want to confront the neighbors personally but this definitely decreases the enjoyment of my house. My next door neighbors shut their blinds but I hate a closed in feeling. The light changes colors every few seconds. It is kind of a psychedelic experience.

I see that as a legitimate complaint. It would be something that I would like to see brought before a Village Residents council and talked over and some reconciliation made. Possibly the lights should be lowered to not bounce across the lake and be annoying?

retiredguy123 04-16-2022 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 2083990)
I am not a complainer in general but I do have a problem with the owners of a house across a pond and a fairway from me. The have mounted a high intensity spot light on the peak of their roof. It constantly rotates through an array of colors lighting up the ground and reflecting the different colors on the pond between us. It is very distracting to watch tv with with the light in the side of my vision. I no longer sit on my lanai at night to enjoy the peace and tranquility- instead I feel like I am in Wille Wonka’s chocolate factory. Of course it doesn’t bother the owners because they are inside but the light shines at my windows all night. Mounting such a light is prohibited in the deed restrictions. I do not want to confront the neighbors personally but this definitely decreases the enjoyment of my house. My next door neighbors shut their blinds but I hate a closed in feeling. The light changes colors every few seconds. It is kind of a psychedelic experience.

If the light is definitely a deed restriction violation and you don't want to confront the neighbor, I think I would just report the violation.

Stu from NYC 04-16-2022 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2084236)
If the light is definitely a deed restriction violation and you don't want to confront the neighbor, I think I would just report the violation.

Or just invite the old biddies over to see it. Sorry could not resist.

fdpaq0580 04-16-2022 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2084257)
Or just invite the old biddies over to see it. Sorry could not resist.

Alternatively, fly a drone with a hammer over to smah the light.
😏

bobnyce 04-16-2022 01:02 PM

Rules and Laws
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2083955)
Flexibility in the rules is a slippery slope. Before you know it, there are no rules.

Rules and laws are just suggested behavior unless they are enforced and have consequences. That is why speeders and stop sign violators get away with it because there are no consequences! Period.

Stu from NYC 04-16-2022 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2084263)
Alternatively, fly a drone with a hammer over to smah the light.
😏

that would work but hope the aim is pretty good. Wonder if you could get the hammer back? Asking for a friend.

fdpaq0580 04-16-2022 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2084317)
that would work but hope the aim is pretty good. Wonder if you could get the hammer back? Asking for a friend.

My friend got his hammer back. Had to send in a second "recovery" drone.
😃🚁

Bogie Shooter 04-16-2022 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2084234)
I see that as a legitimate complaint. It would be something that I would like to see brought before a Village Residents council and talked over and some reconciliation made. Possibly the lights should be lowered to not bounce across the lake and be annoying?

That council would be deed compliance…..and then to the District board.
No need for more councils.

Bambi 04-16-2022 08:37 PM

I would be very tolerant if they used it for a limited period when they were outside and it had a timer on it. If it would automatically shut off in an hour I would not complain but it is probably on a dusk to dawn setting. I don’t know what it’s function is intended to be. It looks like it belongs in a carnival- not on a residential roof.

Velvet 04-16-2022 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2083002)
The recent threads about the "clipboard ladies" and deed restrictions got me thinking more about them. I must admit that when we purchased our home in February 2021, I never bothered to read the document.
Having purchases the home as a "resale" I just assumed that it was in compliance, or close enough, and frankly, among all of the other burdensome legal documents to read, the deed restrictions were pretty low on my list of priorities.
So, I downloaded the "AMENDED AND RESTATED" declaration. A couple of items surprised me in their vagueness, and one surprised me that it existed at all. Among the more interesting to me were the following 3 items. Note that the numbering is mine, and not the same numbers that identify the items in the original document.

Although the original document refers often to "The Developer" I am assuming that at some point the authority ceded to "The Developer" in this document conveyed to the CDD. I am in CDD 5, and this document was downloaded from their page on the "districtgov.org" site.

1. "Lawn ornaments are prohibited except seasons displays not exceeding a 30 day duration."
What surprises me here is that I've read a few times that something that may be prohibited in the sodded area is allowed on a porch, or in a garden bed. I see no mention in the document to that effect, nor do I see any mention of the restriction applying only to ornaments of or greater than a certain dimension.

2. "No tree with a trunk 4" or more in diameter shall be removed or effectively removed through excessive injury without first obtaining permission from the Developer."
I was unaware of this restriction. I see palm trees coming down often. I'd be really surprised if the CDD is often advised of these removals. I had been told that only the oak trees were protected.

3.(Here's a personal favorite of mine, of which I was unaware: ) "All owners shall notify the Developer when leaving their property for more than a 7-day period shall simultaneously advise the Developer as tho their tentative return date."

This one got me to thinking about all of the posts I've read stating essentially "Well, if you read your deed restrictions, and follow the rules, you've got nothing to worry about." I have a hard time imagining even these strict rule followers bother to advise the CDD that they are leaving their homes for a week. And I have an even harder time imaging the reaction of whoever it is who is supposed to receive this notice, upon receiving this important information from the loyal rule follower.

I have no issue with the deed restrictions. I think they serve a useful purpose. I have seen my share of front yards in other areas, outside of TV, with more crap in the yard than I'd like to look at in my neighborhood, so I get the value of having deed restrictions, and I appreciate that to a significant degree, what I like about my neighborhood is protected by the deed restrictions.
Having said that, I don't see the value in riding around in remote neighborhoods looking for violations that evidently pass the standards of the immediate neighbors, and I do see a value in allowing a certain degree of artistic expression in the landscaping and adornment of one's property.
It strikes me as a shame that some people can't see their way to letting other people live their lives in peace, as long as they're not bothering their neighbors.

I can never understand why anyone wants to move into a deed restricted community if they don’t want to follow it. Or is it that the rules should apply to everyone but themselves? Why not move where there are no restrictions?

Stu from NYC 04-16-2022 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2084323)
My friend got his hammer back. Had to send in a second "recovery" drone.
😃🚁

Good for him/her:)

frose 04-17-2022 03:01 PM

these restrictions are stupid, outdated and need to be re done. you would think we were living in the 19th century.. time to do the right thing.

JMintzer 04-17-2022 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by frose (Post 2084792)
these restrictions are stupid, outdated and need to be re done. you would think we were living in the 19th century.. time to do the right thing.

10's of thousands of people disagree with you...

Bogie Shooter 04-17-2022 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by frose (Post 2084792)
these restrictions are stupid, outdated and need to be re done. you would think we were living in the 19th century.. time to do the right thing.

Been here a year and already to start changing things, relax……
Correction: not even a year.

Stu from NYC 04-17-2022 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by frose (Post 2084792)
these restrictions are stupid, outdated and need to be re done. you would think we were living in the 19th century.. time to do the right thing.

Some of the restrictions could be updated but the basic framework of this place works

Velvet 04-17-2022 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by frose (Post 2084792)
these restrictions are stupid, outdated and need to be re done. you would think we were living in the 19th century.. time to do the right thing.

The restrictions are fine, they produced this wonderful community. No one is forced to live here and they really shouldn’t if they are unhappy. They should go and find their happy place, even if it doesn’t happen to be in this place.

Stu from NYC 04-17-2022 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2084862)
The restrictions are fine, they produced this wonderful community. No one is forced to live here and they really shouldn’t if they are unhappy. They should go and find their happy place, even if it doesn’t happen to be in this place or country.

People are entitled to ask for changes as the world does change over time and we need to change with it.

Not asking for wholesale change as we do like it here

Velvet 04-17-2022 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2084876)
People are entitled to ask for changes as the world does change over time and we need to change with it.

Not asking for wholesale change as we do like it here

I agree… but only one life, why spend it unhappy? Perhaps I’m just not an activist.

fdpaq0580 04-18-2022 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by frose (Post 2084792)
these restrictions are stupid, outdated and need to be re done. you would think we were living in the 19th century.. time to do the right thing.

Agree! Needs to be brought up to the early 20th century.
Mr. Bunker agrees.

Stu from NYC 04-18-2022 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2085168)
Agree! Needs to be brought up to the early 20th century.
Mr. Bunker agrees.

Archie?

frose 04-18-2022 03:17 PM

how much better it could be here if these deed restrictions were updated. I know that change does not come easily to some, but it is time to look beyond what we have to what we could evolve to.

Bogie Shooter 04-18-2022 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by frose (Post 2085312)
how much better it could be here if these deed restrictions were updated. I know that change does not come easily to some, but it is time to look beyond what we have to what we could evolve to.

But, people would continue whining about the new version.

retiredguy123 04-18-2022 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 2084435)
I would be very tolerant if they used it for a limited period when they were outside and it had a timer on it. If it would automatically shut off in an hour I would not complain but it is probably on a dusk to dawn setting. I don’t know what it’s function is intended to be. It looks like it belongs in a carnival- not on a residential roof.

I think it would be a mistake to be tolerant. If the light is prohibited, I would just file a complaint to have it removed.

Stu from NYC 04-18-2022 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2085321)
But, people would continue whining about the new version.

But at least we would have new things to argue about.:bigbow:


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