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Russ_Boston 02-21-2014 07:49 AM

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shcisamax 02-21-2014 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by villagerjack (Post 832916)
They have NOT sold 6000 new homes last year. Closer to 2500-3000. We also have new Championship course and 2-3 Execs, new rec centers, Regional Rec Center and a New Town.

Where are you getting your numbers? I am pretty sure they are way over 3,000 a year. When we bought two years ago, I asked my closing agent how many she did a day. She gave me some number and then I asked how many closing agents they had. I figured out they were doing apx. 300 closings a week...that alone would be 3,600 a year...two years ago. For sure they are selling more than 3,600 a year. But what is the number?

If someone is about to close, when they go for their closing, they should just ask how many closings they are doing a day to their closing agent. And then how many agents are working on closings. Voila! It woudl be interesting to know.

Jayhawk 02-21-2014 08:21 AM

3,254 new homes sold in the last 12 months. This was in yesterday's newspaper.

villagerjack 02-21-2014 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jblum315 (Post 832922)
Geez. Keith, it's an old joke. I think originally from Groucho Max.

YOGI BERRA "Nobody goes there anymore, it is too crowded"

villagerjack 02-21-2014 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 832969)
3,254 new homes sold in the last 12 months. This was in yesterday's newspaper.

Thanks..I was close...but 3254 is about half of what the OP said to make her case. Big difference.

TNLAKEPANDA 02-21-2014 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 832658)
Maybe pick a different time to shop?

I shop when all the old people have gone to bed like after 9PM.

villagerjack 02-21-2014 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by shcisamax (Post 832954)
Where are you getting your numbers? I am pretty sure they are way over 3,000 a year. When we bought two years ago, I asked my closing agent how many she did a day. She gave me some number and then I asked how many closing agents they had. I figured out they were doing apx. 300 closings a week...that alone would be 3,600 a year...two years ago. For sure they are selling more than 3,600 a year. But what is the number?

If someone is about to close, when they go for their closing, they should just ask how many closings they are doing a day to their closing agent. And then how many agents are working on closings. Voila! It woudl be interesting to know.


Closing are posted in the LSL Sales Center.. Also in Brownwood and mist likely in SS but I did not go into SS.

howardandsheila 02-21-2014 08:45 AM

The closings posted in the Sales Center also include pre-owned. Ours was listed and we bought pre-owned. So if you add pre-owned to the number from yesterdays paper, the "sales" number would be significantly higher than 3000. Statistics can be viewed various ways.
We are south of 466a and love it. Have great neighborhood with active drive way socials each month. Very friendly and nice folks. Traffic bad this year, but I'd rather be with a lot of nice people, than a few grumpy ones that are snowed in!!! (I'm in Michigan right now for a few days and getting grumpier by the snow flake)

123Cookie 02-21-2014 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 832705)
Nobody goes to Publix at Colony Plaza anymore, it's too crowded there!

IF nobody goes there anymore ------------inquiring minds beg an answer .......how can it be too crowded???????????????

ROCKETMAN 02-21-2014 08:49 AM

First of all if you would shop at 9am instead of 12 pm or shop at 5pm or later, even in the busy season would find it okay. Publix has all 12 checkouts working busy times and i have never seen 10 deep and i work there. Will help when new one is built or go to sweet bay when 2 deep is a crowd. As for golf if you consider off site once in a while like today there is a coupon in the paper for twin oaks, 99 bucks a foursome and you get hot dog chips and soda. Went there last week and it is a nice course. The biggest problem here is if you don't have a priority during the busy season you don't get times and courses you want. As for practice ranges i have no clue.

skip0358 02-21-2014 08:55 AM

First off to the poster that moved here in 2006 the population has probably grown by 40K+ since then, It's February everybody who could possibly be here is here plus guests so yea it's crowded. As for the Golf courses I can't comment as I don't play. Yes you'll wait longer at a restaurant and that's a good thing because crowds are what brings more businesses. As for the Publix in Colony yes it's very crowded and will get much worse with 2200 more homes coming to Fruitland Park area. But I go at 7AM and I'm in and out back home and unpacking in an hour. I don't see the new Publix in Brownwood taking that many people away from Colony. Sweetbay certainly hasn't had that big of an effect on Colony. If your not happy or your surprised with the crowds then all I can say is you didn't do your homework before you moved here period. So grin and bare it April is coming. JMO

graciegirl 02-21-2014 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA (Post 832975)
I shop when all the old people have gone to bed like after 9PM.



Ummmm. Doesn't Publix close at nine?


I think you said a bad word.:confused:

ROCKETMAN 02-21-2014 09:00 AM

Yes they do but sweet bay is open until 10 and walmart is open forever.

Indy-Guy 02-21-2014 09:38 AM

Love bugs will solve the problem
 
The Love Bugs will solve the problem. Every year when the Love Bugs come the Snow Birds are gone.

The Snow Bird is a very smart bird. It seems that the Snow Bird does not like the taste of the Love Bug so the Snow Bird leaves just before the Love Bug arrives.

I have seen this happen every year that I have lived hear.

You gotta love the Love Bug! They solve the crowding problem.

Just don't drive to fast while they are here. They will sacrifice their life to slow down automobiles.

The Love Bug doesn't seem to know the difference between north or south of 466A it goes everywhere. They even go to Stonecrest!

cquick 02-21-2014 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 832705)
Nobody goes to Publix at Colony Plaza anymore, it's too crowded there!

MY FAVORITE QUOTE! :a20:

cquick 02-21-2014 09:54 AM

If you are still up and dressed and not dancing at the squares, the Publix at Colony is a WONDERFUL place to shop at 8:30pm!

but to be honest, I have never seen the checkout lines very long....they schedule the checkout and bagging personnel according to the volume of shoppers.

kittygilchrist 02-21-2014 09:56 AM

Sweetbay is open til 11 on 466a

keithwand 02-21-2014 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jblum315 (Post 832922)
Geez. Keith, it's an old joke. I think originally from Groucho Max.

Did not know that. Groucho before my time. Now if the 3 Stooges had said it...

shcisamax 02-21-2014 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 832969)
3,254 new homes sold in the last 12 months. This was in yesterday's newspaper.

I don't know what to make of that. Either it was misquoted two years ago or they are not selling as many now as then. Why would they be building at breakneck speed if they are selling less now than two years ago? Puzzling.

justjim 02-21-2014 11:39 AM

no Custom homes
 
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Originally Posted by shcisamax (Post 833039)
I don't know what to make of that. Either it was misquoted two years ago or they are not selling as many now as then. Why would they be building at breakneck speed if they are selling less now than two years ago? Puzzling.

I heard from a third party that the Developer actually has fewer general contractors, however, since they no longer build "custom homes" they can build them faster.

I don't know if that answers your question or not?

ggomba1 02-21-2014 11:49 AM

No problem in the village of Pinellas- grocery lines at Sweetbay are nonexistent , and a great group of golfers here! Maybe the groups he has been playing with are ...

getdul981 02-21-2014 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by shcisamax (Post 833039)
Why would they be building at breakneck speed if they are selling less now than two years ago? Puzzling.

Their contract for water hook-ups runs out at the end of 2015.

BarryRX 02-21-2014 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 832705)
Nobody goes to Publix at Colony Plaza anymore, it's too crowded there!

:a040::a040:

Bogie Shooter 02-21-2014 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 832703)
Went to SweetBay today 'cause they had a $10 off a $40 purchase. Very disappointed in lack of selection and empty shelves. The only reason I went was because of the coupon which has now been offered two weeks in a row so they obviously are trying to drum up business. But until they can meet the selection and quality of Publix they are beating their head against a wall. When I couldn't find a box of frozen spinach I told my husband if they offered me free food I will never go back to SweetBay.

Now that is a strong statement...............................and never can be a long, long time.

shcisamax 02-21-2014 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by getdul981 (Post 833094)
Their contract for water hook-ups runs out at the end of 2015.

Now THAT is something I had not even thought about. There is always a reason for everything. How do you know about that?

rubicon 02-21-2014 12:08 PM

Disagreement Is Not Disloyalty
 
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Originally Posted by villagerjack (Post 832819)
I seriously doubt that the Villages and surrounding areas would have anywhere near the same number of restaurants if they did not have the great support during the winter months. You can golf on the Champion Ship courses in July for 5 bucks. Try that in February.



Hi villagerjack: Let me acknowledge that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That is my way of saying we all look at the same thing but draw very different conclusions. It is a fact that Americans can't stand ..standing in line that is why TaskRabbit has such a bustling business.

I have been here since 2006 and believe I am correct in stating that each subsequent off season has shown an increase in population. I still believe we have plenty of people living in and around TV to support businesses. As to restaurants they fold all the time mostly because of poor management.

Yes you can play late in the day for $5 in summer but the championship courses charge more per round in prime season (Oct thru May) than most off campus so in my view it is wash.

I have always been perplexed that a number of people on this forum view disagreement as disloyalty when t comes to expressing concerns regarding TV. I may not like the crowds but it does not follow that I do not like TV Some folks always make that assumption and there simply is no way to correct their thinking


Personal Best Regards

Bogie Shooter 02-21-2014 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nitehawk (Post 832949)
I hope the addition of all the new homes being sold (some as rentals ) and the very crowded conditions everywhere --- does not effect the price of the rentals as i have just bought my third rental. As i will have to lower my standard of the people who i rent to

What does this mean?

Bogie Shooter 02-21-2014 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by shcisamax (Post 832954)
Where are you getting your numbers? I am pretty sure they are way over 3,000 a year. When we bought two years ago, I asked my closing agent how many she did a day. She gave me some number and then I asked how many closing agents they had. I figured out they were doing apx. 300 closings a week...that alone would be 3,600 a year...two years ago. For sure they are selling more than 3,600 a year. But what is the number?

If someone is about to close, when they go for their closing, they should just ask how many closings they are doing a day to their closing agent. And then how many agents are working on closings. Voila! It woudl be interesting to know.

300 closings a week????

Bogie Shooter 02-21-2014 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 832969)
3,254 new homes sold in the last 12 months. This was in yesterday's newspaper.

I believe you.
You know, you could quote God on this blog and somebody would call you a liar.

JB in TV 02-21-2014 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 833106)
...You know, you could quote God on this blog and somebody would call you a liar.

You have just made the post of the month! :beer3:

janmcn 02-21-2014 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by getdul981 (Post 833094)
Their contract for water hook-ups runs out at the end of 2015.


Does this just apply to Sumter County water hook-ups, or does it also include Lake County water hook-ups, which is St John's river basin?

yabbadu 02-21-2014 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BarryRX (Post 833096)
:a040::a040:

Go after 6:00 Pm and you will never find it crowded...

yabbadu 02-21-2014 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 832630)
Third group that my husband has played golf with this week is very unhappy they moved south of 466A.....Sooooo crowded, grocery lines 10 deep, golfing is very very difficult and golf range is impossible....I hope this is just seasonal problem.

If you think this is too crowded then you should move out of Florida during Snowbird season. We are no different that any other popular spot in Florida at this time if year. Whats the rush ..Your retired!

gomoho 02-22-2014 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 833099)
Now that is a strong statement...............................and never can be a long, long time.

You are right Bogie - Never say Never!!!

jebartle 02-22-2014 09:19 AM

Why do we shoot the messenger...
 
This was only a question to comments that were made on golf course!



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Originally Posted by yabbadu (Post 833345)
If you think this is too crowded then you should move out of Florida during Snowbird season. We are no different that any other popular spot in Florida at this time if year. Whats the rush ..Your retired!


VT2TV 02-24-2014 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by villagerjack (Post 832915)
We shop generally in the AM and for the most part use Walmart and Sweetbay. No problems for us. Perhaps it is the GROUPS OF EIGHT that is the problem. We golf by ourselves and meet a lit of great people. Anything you want to do ANYWHERE in GROUPS OF EIGHT can decrease your opportunities.

Unfortunately- for various reasons, it is not always possible to do everything early in the morning. As far as the group goes, I am willing to bet that much more golfing in done in groups of 4-12+ than in pairs. We have a group of 16 that golfs every week, and have never been shut out and never had to wait very long to eat out either.


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Originally Posted by villagerjack (Post 832917)
Another piece of information for you to consider it is that it is the a Snowbirds who are buying a large percentage of homes in spite of the fact that they are the ones who come here only during the times when everyone else says it is crowded. Apparently,they don't feel the same way.


What????? Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to say here.


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Originally Posted by villagerjack (Post 832918)
If you want to golf for free 3x a week at 9AM with 8 friends, food shop in the early afternoon when everyone else has the same idea, walk up to a spot at the driving range after a month of rain and cold weather, you can probably do it somewhere, but not for $150 a month.

I only asked you how you were able to able to golf 3 times a week, but you answered that by saying you golfed only in pairs, which I agree that would make it much easier. But again, that doesn't help the majority of golfers who golf in small to large groups. Just because it is easy for you to get a tee time for 2 still doesn't mean that it is easy for anyone else with more than 2. I still think that the parking area at Publix is crowded most of the time, and I never said anything about the driving range.

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 832969)
3,254 new homes sold in the last 12 months. This was in yesterday's newspaper.

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Originally Posted by villagerjack (Post 832974)
Thanks..I was close...but 3254 is about half of what the OP said to make her case. Big difference.

As far as the number goes, that was information quoted to me by a contractor who is employed by the Villages. I did mention that there are always some variables. Are his numbers correct?? I don't know, but if I had to believe someone, I would go with him. There is a LOT of information reported in the Daily Sun that I either don't believe or take with a huge grain of salt. Has anyone ever heard the same numbers quoted more than once for the number of houses sold?


The thing we all need to understand is that the posts on here represent only opinions and experiences. There is not 1 single person who is the final word on anything. No one has the right to say that I am wrong unless I try to say something is fact, and they KNOW me to be wrong 100%. And by the same token, I cannot say anyone is wrong unless I am 100% sure. I did not say for fact that TV sells 6000+/- houses a year, just that I was told that. The rest of what I said has been my experiences, and I stand by what I said. I feel that the Villages are crowded, and are going to get more and more crowded. Obviously, there are some ways to minimize the crowds. But no matter what, I still love living here.

getdul981 02-24-2014 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by shcisamax (Post 833100)
Now THAT is something I had not even thought about. There is always a reason for everything. How do you know about that?

I was told this by one of the supervisors on a construction job.

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 833181)
Does this just apply to Sumter County water hook-ups, or does it also include Lake County water hook-ups, which is St John's river basin?

I have no idea, but I believe it is only Sumter County, since that is when the original build out date was based on. This is prior to the purchase of the land in Lake County, Fruitland Park.

2BNTV 02-24-2014 07:21 AM

Snowbird seasion makes for more crowding, so one must paln accordingly.

Only Gary Morse knows what is going to be built here!!!!! I am confident he has plans to build more businesses, to suppot the influx of more people.
In time, any area will be built up, to accomodate the amount of reidents, in that area.

I'm sure they were areas, that when built, didn't have all the businesses near them as it is today. In time, the businesses, that will come to a particular area will make crowding more controllable, When the snowbirds leave, things will go back to normal.

Patience, grasshopper!!! It will work itself out.

shcisamax 02-24-2014 08:07 AM

If they are selling 3,200 plus NEW homes a year, presumably they are all in the same NEW areas where they are building which is south of 466A. That accounts for apx. 6,500 additional people yearly. I have been here two years and for sure see a difference with an additional 10,000 - 13,000 people added. If you figure this will be going on for another two or three years, that is an additional 20,000 plus people. Widening of roads is occurring and, in fact, new traffic patterns are emerging along with new golf courses and services...slowly...but the population will feel less crowed after things sort themselves and people aren't rushing down below 466A to view open houses, try new courses, see what's happening in Brownwood to try everything out in the new area. Even Eisenhower is a destination now for visitors. It isn't going to be a sleepy area but it should become less frenetic. That's my opinion..not supported by a darn thing.

Russ_Boston 02-24-2014 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by shcisamax (Post 834462)
That's my opinion..not supported by a darn thing.


Can I use that? That's an awesome line! :)


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