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karostay 02-29-2020 08:58 AM

2 speed bumps 50 ' apart at each gate would be more effective..As it stands now when gate are rises most think their at a NHRA race

PugMom 02-29-2020 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NotGolfer (Post 1722561)
PLUS could you all see how many more accidents we would have??? The gates AND the round abouts are for traffic control. IF you want a true gated community perhaps a Dell Webb or similar would be perfect for you! Mostly the folks "manning" the gates are they to give directions or information (that's why the "visitor's" lane). There is a purpose despite many not seeming to see it.

not only that, the attendant keeps cars from merging into each other as you pass thru the gates. i have no problems with them being there. another thing--the gates, (as i was told by realtor), cause the cars to slow down so the camera can photo ur license plate, & keep track for future reference. i've also noticed a 2nd camera was placed @ our entry gate, attached to a pole above. you cant see it unless you look for it, but it's there.

chriskean82 02-29-2020 09:02 AM

Gates
 
No only is every car videoed and the license plate recorded. When you stop to swipe card, or press button a photo of the driver is taken. The gates are also there to regulate cart flow at crossings and major roads.

Topspinmo 02-29-2020 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 1722545)
Hi folks, We have been here for 8 months now, and my comment / question is; The Villages calls themselves a gated community, which technically it is. However, anyone can come through the gates, either by pressing the red button in the residents lane or going through the visitor lane. A true gated community has resident stickers with bar codes on the vehicles which allows access. I understand that when the red button is pressed a picture of the vehicle is taken, don't know if that is really true, but that does not do much to add to security. Please don't misunderstand, I don't have a problem, it just seems to me that the gates, along with the guards, don't make this a true "gated community". Further, I question the need for the gates, guards and guard shacks since they do not seem to be making anything secure. What am I missing here?


You’re house didn’t cost enough, they do have gated and secure areas, but not in the peon areas. You get the vision of security.

Topspinmo 02-29-2020 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1722826)
2 speed bumps 50 ' apart at each gate would be more effective..As it stands now when gate are rises most think their at a NHRA race

Yes, I can cut .020 light and get the feel of the front end coming off the ground.

Topspinmo 02-29-2020 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by raney3099 (Post 1722813)
The Villages is a city, not a gated community.

Incorporated city.

willbush 02-29-2020 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 1722545)
Hi folks, We have been here for 8 months now, and my comment / question is; The Villages calls themselves a gated community, which technically it is. However, anyone can come through the gates, either by pressing the red button in the residents lane or going through the visitor lane. A true gated community has resident stickers with bar codes on the vehicles which allows access. I understand that when the red button is pressed a picture of the vehicle is taken, don't know if that is really true, but that does not do much to add to security. Please don't misunderstand, I don't have a problem, it just seems to me that the gates, along with the guards, don't make this a true "gated community". Further, I question the need for the gates, guards and guard shacks since they do not seem to be making anything secure. What am I missing here?

It's the impression that it's a gated community that keeps is safer;also believe the gates themselves with or without personnel offers a sense of security for those who don't realize this isn't a gated community;likewise the community watch another layer of indirect security although not a police force;appears these things are working; The Villages was rated by the FBI as the safest place to live in Florida. Link follows the list.
ccording to the FBI

Metropolitan Statistical Area Crimes Per 100,000 Inhabitants
1. The Villages, FL M.S.A. 2,116
2. Punta Gorda, FL M.S.A. 2,648
3. Naples-Marco Island, FL M.S.A. 2,703
4. Port St. Lucie, FL M.S.A. 3,246
5. Homosassa Springs, FL M.S.A. 3,350
6. Cape Coral-Fort Myers, FL M.S.A. 3,414
7. Sebastian-Vero Beach, FL M.S.A. 3,480
8. Lakeland-Winter Haven, FL M.S.A. 4,123
9. North Port-Sarasota-Bradenton, FL M.S.A. 4,315
10. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL M.S.A. 4,323
11. Crestview-Fort Walton Beach-Destin, FL M.S.A. 4,509
12. Ocala, FL M.S.A. 4,980
13. Palm Bay-Melbourne-Titusville, FL M.S.A. 5,027
14. Deltona-Daytona Beach-Ormond Beach, FL M.S.A. 5,125
15. Sebring-Avon Park, FL M.S.A. 5,236
16. Pensacola-Ferry Pass-Brent, FL M.S.A. 5,444
17. Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL M.S.A. 5,791
18. Jacksonville, FL M.S.A. 6,147
19. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL M.S.A. 6,418
20. Gainesville, FL M.S.A. 6,917
21. Panama City, FL M.S.A. 7,257
22. Tallahassee, FL M.S.A. 7,733
here's the link. Copy & paste is browser: Safest Places to Live and Retire in Florida | FloridaforBoomers.com

Topspinmo 02-29-2020 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckeyes76 (Post 1722798)
4 or 5 4” speed bumps would do the same at a much lower cost

With stop sign 🛑

Topspinmo 02-29-2020 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1722810)
nope.


not enough break between cars


can't get my bugatti home


:ho:

Then you didn’t buy enough home:faint:

Marathon Man 02-29-2020 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by finbackwail (Post 1722738)
Has to do with sales, of course. Gated community permits higher real estate value and enables small discount on home owners insurance. Nothing but a sales tool.

Gates exist to help prevent collisions of golf carts and cars. And they do that very well.

Topspinmo 02-29-2020 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1722658)
Yep.

My last home was in a truly gated, golf course community...and that's pretty much the way it worked. It was actually a bit of overkill...in my honest opinion.

If the name(s) weren't already on your list (you kept up with it online), the guard would call the homeowner. If the homeowner didn't answer...tough luck.

Or if you said you were golfing, they would call the clubhouse to verify your tee time.

We had one particular guard that thought she was Hitler and the visitor line early every morning, from yard crews/house crews/Etc...was beyond ridiculous. :oops:

My yard guy and housekeeper said the guards verified identification information from every single person in the vehicle and this one...seemed to enjoy taking her time doing it.

I probably wouldn't have put up with it myself...regardless of how much I was getting paid.

Here you’re just another peon among the minions. :1rotfl:

Topspinmo 02-29-2020 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1722709)
May it could be described as a "stop gate" community; you know, like "stop sign" and "stop light".

You mean some people actually stop at stop 🛑 signs? WOW haven’t seen that yet. :)

CTFORSBERG 02-29-2020 09:29 AM

Exactly
 
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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1722553)
AFAIK they don't and they def aren't. Where did you see The Villages advertised as a true "gated community?" The gates are mostly only for traffic control and to allow golf carts a running chance for a free 3 seconds to cross but not for security.

That's exactly right, plus they cannot be truly gated as, in most cases, all the roads are public roads not private. It's for golf cart control (and to help sales) :icon_wink:

waynehal55 02-29-2020 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1722563)
I wouldn't call the Del Webb community on Rt 441 a true gated community either. They have a restaurant that is open to the public, and anyone can just drive up to the gate and say they are going to the restaurant. Same situation at Stonecrest.

This is true but, you have to stop at the gate and speak to an attendant before the gate arm is raised. Also a picture is taken of the car and license plate. If you plan on going to someone's home, the owner MUST either call before the arrival or enter the information into an updated computer system. This applies to all businesses - if not done they will be denied entrance. This also applies to the back gate.

Shamp 02-29-2020 10:39 AM

It would be nice if we had stickers that automatically opened the gates. Then we could give guests the cards!

ColdNoMore 02-29-2020 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1722845)
Here you’re just another peon among the minions. :1rotfl:


I have absolutely no problem being..."another peon among the minions."

In fact...I quite enjoy it. :D

I long ago, made my mark professionally in my industry...so I have nothing to prove these days.
:ho:

Waimola 02-29-2020 10:47 AM

Stonecrest requires a license to get through the gate.

golfing eagles 02-29-2020 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1722886)

I have absolutely no problem being..."another peon among the minions."

In fact...I quite enjoy it. :D

I long ago, made my mark professionally in my industry...so I have nothing to prove these days.
:ho:


Laxative tester????
Horse inseminator????
Dog dewormer???:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Actually it's a quote stolen from "Two and a half men"

erojohn 02-29-2020 11:34 AM

It just to slow traffic down and allowing Carts to cross. Talk about slowing down. Many treat round abouts as a race track. Some go 55 mph on Morse and BV. Slow down people we’re retired.

KLBNJ 02-29-2020 12:33 PM

You have it all right. Well stated and correct. The gates are not necessary along with the guards. Both serve no purpose.

OhioBuckeye 02-29-2020 12:43 PM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 1722545)
Hi folks, We have been here for 8 months now, and my comment / question is; The Villages calls themselves a gated community, which technically it is. However, anyone can come through the gates, either by pressing the red button in the residents lane or going through the visitor lane. A true gated community has resident stickers with bar codes on the vehicles which allows access. I understand that when the red button is pressed a picture of the vehicle is taken, don't know if that is really true, but that does not do much to add to security. Please don't misunderstand, I don't have a problem, it just seems to me that the gates, along with the guards, don't make this a true "gated community". Further, I question the need for the gates, guards and guard shacks since they do not seem to be making anything secure. What am I missing here?

Surprised nobody mentioned that the roads in TV are maintained by the county so TV can't tell anybody not to come in, their public roads & streets. The gate guards are their in hopes of if anybody comes in that they could remember things if something happened. Also a lot of younger people from Leesburg & Wildwood come here & some of the gate guards will take notice of that in case something get vandalized or robbed. Yea, it doesn't seem right but public streets mean just that, PUBLIC. I know someone will want to correct me on this, but some people really think our gates aren't worth the trouble. You could just call the front office & they probably could explain it to you in just about 5 mins.

TerryElzin 02-29-2020 12:44 PM

I came from a so called gated community in MD. We had guards, we had stickers on our cars and we still had a lot of problems with people complaining about this same issue. If criminals want to get in they will. They do not have to go thru the gate to get to your home.

golfing eagles 02-29-2020 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TerryElzin (Post 1722936)
I came from a so called gated community in MD. We had guards, we had stickers on our cars and we still had a lot of problems with people complaining about this same issue. If criminals want to get in they will. They do not have to go thru the gate to get to your home.

True, but it doesn't have to be easy for them. Consider two houses next to each other. One has a monitored alarm system, cameras, dead bolts, a sign that say this home protected by Smith and Wesson and a large rottweiler inside. The other has unlocked doors and 4 newspapers laying in the driveway. Which one do you think the criminal will target?

Barborv 02-29-2020 01:22 PM

If you go 55places.com , The Villages it is advertised as a gated community. Everything everyone is saying I completely agree with. It would be nice if every residential area had a gate house with someone there. If not for anything, but as a deterrent. That's the only thing I wish TV had. The next best things, folks, is get yourself the blink cameras and ring doorbell and alarm for peace of mind. Yes, I'm a New Yorker! lol

asianthree 02-29-2020 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by waynehal55 (Post 1722855)
If you plan on going to someone's home, the owner MUST either call before the arrival or enter the information into an updated computer system. This applies to all businesses - if not done they will be denied entrance. This also applies to the back gate.

No one needs to call ahead. When we come down from summer house, No one ever asks what we are doing. Our uhaul came in at 2am, pushed the button and opened gate. Since 07 I have never heard of access being denied.

asianthree 02-29-2020 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KLBNJ (Post 1722929)
You have it all right. Well stated and correct. The gates are not necessary along with the guards. Both serve no purpose.

Next time you cross a road in your golf cart, rethink your quote

Jdavie1955 02-29-2020 02:15 PM

We are a community with gates, NOT a gated community. They do not advertise it as one.

OlifOlif 02-29-2020 02:23 PM

A gated community's purpose is for keeping those inside as inside with outside honors, and those on the outside to stay away to remain where they should be.

Bogie Shooter 02-29-2020 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Barborv (Post 1722955)
If you go 55places.com , The Villages it is advertised as a gated community. Everything everyone is saying I completely agree with. It would be nice if every residential area had a gate house with someone there. If not for anything, but as a deterrent. That's the only thing I wish TV had. The next best things, folks, is get yourself the blink cameras and ring doorbell and alarm for peace of mind. Yes, I'm a New Yorker! lol

I went to 55places.com and didn't see where The Villages or any other community was doing any advertising.
The site gives advice and offers a place for reviews.

Carla B 02-29-2020 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1722959)
No one needs to call ahead. When we come down from summer house, No one ever asks what we are doing. Our uhaul came in at 2am, pushed the button and opened gate. Since 07 I have never heard of access being denied.

Waynehal was talking about the Del Webb community on 441 N., not The Villages.

perrjojo 02-29-2020 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Barborv (Post 1722955)
If you go 55places.com , The Villages it is advertised as a gated community. Everything everyone is saying I completely agree with. It would be nice if every residential area had a gate house with someone there. If not for anything, but as a deterrent. That's the only thing I wish TV had. The next best things, folks, is get yourself the blink cameras and ring doorbell and alarm for peace of mind. Yes, I'm a New Yorker! lol

We ARE a gated community.we are NOT a secure, gated community.

Steve Mosher 02-29-2020 04:55 PM

Gated community
 
We are a gated community, not a secure community. The difference being, since the roads revert to the county for maintenance after 2 years, the roads cannot be secured from the general public but we can monitor anyone coming & going thru the gates with cameras.

Bogie Shooter 02-29-2020 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1722559)
I have never seen any material from The Villages that claims this is a "gated community". It is a community with gates but the roads are all county roads with the exception of the roads in the CYVs. In a true "gated community", the roads are owned and maintained by the community, not the county. The gates in The Villages are primarily for traffic flow control where the MMPs cross in front of the entrances to the various Villages. Without the gates, golf carts would be in jeopardy.

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1722755)
While you might have spoken to someone over the intercom at the gate (which are all pretty much gone now), if the roads were county roads then they cannot deny you access.

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1722757)
Probably when the roads were still private and before being sold to the county?

Neighbors who have been here for over 15 years, have told me that the original plan was to make each village a truly gated community, but when the infrastructure was sold to the county and thus became public...this was no longer legal.

Which makes sense, because who could imagine a gate on say 466...that you had to be a resident to use?
:shrug:

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Originally Posted by wirenail444 (Post 1722779)
Your are correct, it is not a true gated community. The roads are maintained by the county and access can not be denied. However, a picture is taken of every car that goes thru a gate and if there is a problem, the bad guy's car is available to the police. Next best thing and the bad guys know it.

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Originally Posted by Tmcbryan (Post 1722789)
TV is a community with gates, not a gated community. The roads are owned maintained by the county, therefore driving on the roads is a public right.

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Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 1722934)
Surprised nobody mentioned that the roads in TV are maintained by the county so TV can't tell anybody not to come in, their public roads & streets. The gate guards are their in hopes of if anybody comes in that they could remember things if something happened. Also a lot of younger people from Leesburg & Wildwood come here & some of the gate guards will take notice of that in case something get vandalized or robbed. Yea, it doesn't seem right but public streets mean just that, PUBLIC. I know someone will want to correct me on this, but some people really think our gates aren't worth the trouble. You could just call the front office & they probably could explain it to you in just about 5 mins.

Most times it pays to read the posts...……………………………
There are probably more but I quit after these five.

ColdNoMore 02-29-2020 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1723019)
Most times it pays to read the posts...……………………………
There are probably more but I quit after these five.

Quitter.



:D

daylilylady 02-29-2020 06:57 PM

Been here 24 years. It has never been a gated community. An allusion. Most of the roads are county roads.

rabonkmontage@msn.com 02-29-2020 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1722843)
Then you didn’t buy enough home:faint:

Rude

ColdNoMore 02-29-2020 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rabonkmontage@msn.com (Post 1723026)
Rude.

You catch on quickly. :thumbup:

Polar Bear 02-29-2020 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by daylilylady (Post 1723024)
Been here 24 years. It has never been a gated community. An allusion. Most of the roads are county roads.

The Morris vs Morse thread comes to mind. :D

manaboutown 02-29-2020 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1723034)
The Morris vs Morse thread comes to mind. :D


Illusion vs. allusion? lol

Polar Bear 02-29-2020 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1723044)
Illusion vs. allusion? lol

:thumbup:


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