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memason 03-24-2012 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cappyjon431 (Post 471004)
We will have to agree to disagree.

Law enforcement does not need to be around for everything. The police really have no jurisdiction in private parking lots anyway. What we need is for people to be able to politely discuss perceived bad behavior, not to condone (ignore) it.

My wife and loved ones would NEVER flick someone off if they were at fault and almost caused an accident.

You might consider it trivial, but I am really getting tired of the bad behavior I see in TV. I just got back from Publix. The check out lines have an express lane for 10 items or less. I had a diet coke and a bag of celery. The woman in front of me had over 25 items (I stopped counting after 25). The cashier didn't say anything. If no one says anything the bad behavior goes unchecked and continues.

I truly believe that by continuing to ignore bad behavior there is no reason for the offending party to change. I am not saying a physical confrontation is necessary, but when we start letting people step all over us we are allowing civility in our society to slowly erode.
Since you were right there, did you say anything to her about her inappropriate behavior. At least, you didn't have to chase her down.

Just sayin . . .

cappyjon431 03-24-2012 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by memason (Post 471080)
Since you were right there, did you say anything to her about her inappropriate behavior. At least, you didn't have to chase her down.

Just sayin . . .
Unfortunately she was in a SUV with her windows rolled up. I was in a LSV and I tried to communicate with her, but after flicking me off she accelerated at a high rate of speed out of the parking lot. It simply wasn't possible (although I wish it was).

CarGuys 03-24-2012 09:49 PM
Cautious
 
I find myself second guessing my own driving.

Is it just me or do others feel this way. I believe I am going thru the roundabouts correctly and like others post I am cut off.

The Honking if you don't Gun it away from a light or stop sign.

And this has been covered before the danger of carts being waved on and allowed to cross in front or a car at the gates.

It seems if I attempt to drive more careful others get more agressive and rude.

bluedog103 03-24-2012 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cappyjon431 (Post 471004)
We will have to agree to disagree.

Law enforcement does not need to be around for everything. The police really have no jurisdiction in private parking lots anyway. What we need is for people to be able to politely discuss perceived bad behavior, not to condone (ignore) it.
She just flipped you the bird. It's not likely she was going to politely discuss anything.

cappyjon431 03-24-2012 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by lightworker888 (Post 471075)
The presupposition beneath the reason for chasing after someone to discuss, is that the other person is interested or capable of discussing the issue. Usually actions like flipping someone, are triggered by emotions that have no real rationale that is based on reason and therefore are difficult to really discuss. The pursuer usually feels better, after having done something in response, rather than feeling like they have been walked on, but in truth, the flipper probably won't change as the action of flipping was emotion driven and not a thoughtful response to a situation. And there is the distinct possibility that the situation could escalate into a major confrontation as emotions get more heated. IMHO it is usually best to not take the flip as personal (as the flipper probably flips anyone who gets in his/her way) and pat yourself on the back for staying out of his/her drama. Also thank your stars that you don't have to live with him/her!




LW888
You raise a very cogent and very legitimate argument, and I truly appreciate your rational approach.

In many cases, I would tend to agree with you, but in this case I was faced with two distinct choices.

I could have ignored her rude behavior. She almost caused an accident and then demonstrated unacceptable behavior, offending both my spouse and myself. If I ignore it, the chances are she continues to drive wrecklessly and continues to mistreat people. She has no consequences to her actions.

I could try to confront her and nicely explain that I thought her actions were out of line. You are correct in stating that she might not have listened to what I had to say. Very possible, even probable. On the other hand, I am an eternal optimist and I can't help thinking that perhaps we could have had a meaningful dialogue. Even if she became defensive, I can't help hoping that perhaps in the future she would think twice before mistreating others. I felt I had to at least try.

As for it escalating, I wouldn't let it happen. While very few on this board know me personally, those that do know that I speak in a quite, respectful voice and that I don't lose my temper. She could "escalate" all she wanted to, but I would have remained calm and collected--it is my nature (on the other hand i might have had to restrain my wife, who has more of a temper than I).

cappyjon431 03-24-2012 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bluedog103 (Post 471143)
She just flipped you the bird. It's not likely she was going to politely discuss anything.
She also almost ran into a small LSV at a fairly high rate of speed (especially for being in a parking lot) while driving a big SUV. I still would've liked to TRY to discuss it with her. I see nothing wrong with TRYING to have a civil discussion. At least I would have left knowing I tried to get through to her.

senior citizen 03-25-2012 06:24 AM
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memason 03-25-2012 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cappyjon431 (Post 471125)
Unfortunately she was in a SUV with her windows rolled up. I was in a LSV and I tried to communicate with her, but after flicking me off she accelerated at a high rate of speed out of the parking lot. It simply wasn't possible (although I wish it was).
Sorry Cappy... I wasn't specific. I was referring the the woman in the grocery line, in front of you with more than 25 items. I was just curious, since she was right in front of you, did you lecture her on her inappropriate behavior or did you keep quiet ???

senior citizen 03-25-2012 07:01 AM
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senior citizen 03-25-2012 07:06 AM
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lightworker888 03-25-2012 07:09 AM
We have been here for nearly a month and this is our first March visit. I have found the number of cars has increased but the thing I notice more is that the parking lots are fuller and we have to be extra careful backing up, particularly in the diagonal parking spots.

I haven't found the RAB's to be particularly treacherous, though I do keep a close eye on any car near me and I use the left lane for going to the 3rd exit. I think that staggering positions is the easiest way to avoid collisions and using the signal lights. I keep up with the flow and it seems about the same speed as in the spring and fall.

Now the squares are definitely MUCH busier so we aren't going there much at night and look forward to the spring evenings, when crowds thin out.

LW888

cappyjon431 03-25-2012 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by memason (Post 471206)
Sorry Cappy... I wasn't specific. I was referring the the woman in the grocery line, in front of you with more than 25 items. I was just curious, since she was right in front of you, did you lecture her on her inappropriate behavior or did you keep quiet ???
Actually the woman behind me in line said something before I had chance to formulate exactly what I was going to say (contrary to what others might of thought about my prior posts on this thread, I believe in at least trying to be diplomatic first). She asked the woman if she could see the sign that said "10 Items or Less?" The other woman responded that when she got into the line there was no one else waiting. The woman behind me replied that now there were two people behind her waiting. The offending party did apologize.

To me, it's just another example of "the rules don't apply to me" mentality that I find so pervasive here in TV.

JoeC1947 03-25-2012 08:26 AM
I observed another cigarette being tossed out of a cart with Wisconsin plate # P1tC1t. This time I yelled up to him at the next stop sign that they make portable ashtrays in a pleasant voice. he turned around and gave me a dumb look then proceeded to travel at about 10mph I assume to annoy me. I passed him and he yelled "the golf cart speed limit is 20MPH" I yelled back that that's all my cart will do. You really cant fix stupid!

zcaveman 03-25-2012 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by cappyjon431 (Post 471217)
Actually the woman behind me in line said something before I had chance to formulate exactly what I was going to say (contrary to what others might of thought about my prior posts on this thread, I believe in at least trying to be diplomatic first). She asked the woman if she could see the sign that said "10 Items or Less?" The other woman responded that when she got into the line there was no one else waiting. The woman behind me replied that now there were two people behind her waiting. The offending party did apologize.

To me, it's just another example of "the rules don't apply to me" mentality that I find so pervasive here in TV.
I have been standing in the regular line with a full cart when the 10 and less clerk told me to come over to her register. I am not a fool. I go to her line. If a line starts behind me after that, what can I say. She invited me over.

red tail 03-25-2012 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeC1947 (Post 471250)
I observed another cigarette being tossed out of a cart with Wisconsin plate # P1tC1t. This time I yelled up to him at the next stop sign that they make portable ashtrays in a pleasant voice. he turned around and gave me a dumb look then proceeded to travel at about 10mph I assume to annoy me. I passed him and he yelled "the golf cart speed limit is 20MPH" I yelled back that that's all my cart will do. You really cant fix stupid!
i havnt heard nonsense like this since junior high school

Barefoot 03-25-2012 02:15 PM
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RichieB 03-25-2012 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by zcaveman (Post 471414)
I have been standing in the regular line with a full cart when the 10 and less clerk told me to come over to her register. I am not a fool. I go to her line. If a line starts behind me after that, what can I say. She invited me over.
I really wonder what makes some people tick.

I was in the supermarket a few hours ago, walking toward the checkout with 3 items. Someone with a full cart of groceries raced to the checkout, and got ahead of me. She proceeded to give me a sheepish look, to which I said, "You know, I could have been out of here before you could have gotten all your stuff on the belt." To which she said, "Sorry."

Go figure..........

JoeC1947 03-25-2012 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by red tail (Post 471426)
i havnt heard nonsense like this since junior high school
You are soooooooooo wonderful! Let me guess, you smoke and throw your butts on the ground too!

red tail 03-25-2012 02:59 PM
grind em out in my hand then eat them

Bill-n-Brillo 03-25-2012 03:02 PM
.................................(wait for it).................................. :popcorn:

Bill :)

cappyjon431 03-25-2012 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by zcaveman (Post 471414)
I have been standing in the regular line with a full cart when the 10 and less clerk told me to come over to her register. I am not a fool. I go to her line. If a line starts behind me after that, what can I say. She invited me over.
That is certainly acceptable, and I can't be certain that that isn't what happened in my example. On the other hand, the overly apologetic tone of the cashier to myself and the person behind me in line led me to believe that the woman went in that line without being "invited."

red tail 03-25-2012 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 471446)
.................................(wait for it).................................. :popcorn:

Bill :)
ha ha....popcorn for the junior high debate team.

RichieB 03-25-2012 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by red tail (Post 471453)
ha ha....popcorn for the junior high debate team.
HAH ! :a20:

cappyjon431 03-25-2012 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RichieB (Post 471438)
I really wonder what makes some people tick.

I was in the supermarket a few hours ago, walking toward the checkout with 3 items. Someone with a full cart of groceries raced to the checkout, and got ahead of me. She proceeded to give me a sheepish look, to which I said, "You know, I could have been out of here before you could have gotten all your stuff on the belt." To which she said, "Sorry."

Go figure..........
Sometimes I mourn the loss of civility in today's society.

We all make misakes while driving and accidents do happen. We all occasionally have lapses in judgement, as we are human. It is this sense of entitlement, this "it's all about me" attitude, the belief that "the rules don't apply to me," the rudeness that drives me nuts. Some people just don't get it, or they do get it but are willing to have others walk all over them without any consequences. I understand wanting to avoid confrontation, but I also believe that sometimes confrontation is necessary.

JoeC1947 03-25-2012 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by red tail (Post 471445)
grind em out in my hand then eat them
I think I'm starting to like you....:bowdown:

RichieB 03-25-2012 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cappyjon431 (Post 471458)
Sometimes I mourn the loss of civility in today's society.

We all make misakes while driving and accidents do happen. We all occasionally have lapses in judgement, as we are human. It is this sense of entitlement, this "it's all about me" attitude, the belief that "the rules don't apply to me," the rudeness that drives me nuts. Some people just don't get it, or they do get it but are willing to have others walk all over them without any consequences. I understand wanting to avoid confrontation, but I also believe that sometimes confrontation is necessary.
I have been thinking about this ALOT lately, because it seems that things like this happen to me EVERY DAY ! The other day, some kid was going in the opposite direction, and just blew through a stop sign, and HE WAS FLYING ! Another time last week, I was leaving the bank parking lot, and somebody speeds into the lot through the exit, and flips me the digit.

It just seems to me that, generally, as a people, and a society, we have lost respect for one another. It started a while ago, it got a little better, I thought, when 9/11 happened, but it has gotten worse - MUCH WORSE !

My rant for the day.........

lightworker888 03-25-2012 05:03 PM
It just occurred to me that perhaps it is about the "filter" that we see the world through. If you hold up a blue filter, then the red light will always be purple to you. Maybe if we held up the filter that everyone is doing his/her best give their history, understanding and life circumstance etc.etc . and doesn't get up in the morning with any intention to make anyone's life unhappy, then we might be able to get into more of an allowing space. If we believe that everyone is "out for himself" then we will code every action we see as a reflection of that belief and it will just reinforce that belief. The question that I do my best to ask myself is, "does it serve me to keep seeing things this way?" and if it makes me upset then I question why I am still looking through that filter, knowing that I am the only one that can put the filter down. It is just hard to remember to do that when I am in the throws of an emotional moment.

My DH came up with a comment that it is hard to believe that given the life history and circumstance and energy available etc. etc. of any given person, we would be doing the same thing. That always puts things into perspective for me! I guess that gives a bit of a different spin on the saying "there but for the grace of God, go I".

I'll get off my soapbox now!

LW888

rubicon 03-25-2012 05:33 PM
After reading the last 67 posts I really am glad I moved here.Hmmmm

Indydealmaker 03-25-2012 07:45 PM
Injustices Tolerated are Injustices Perpetuated.

cappyjon431 03-25-2012 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 471571)
Injustices Tolerated are Injustices Perpetuated.
My feelings exactly (although much more concise!).

carm310 03-25-2012 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 471446)
.................................(wait for it).................................. :popcorn:

Bill :)
Bill, your response is the only thing on the forum today that made me chuckle....a brutal day for some on TOTV!

Life is short and it seems if you drive in TV it may end up being shorter. I must say the posts over the last few months regarding driving in TV (cars, carts, bikes or what ever mode of transportation you choose) gives me pause like no other time in the 5 or 6 years I have been coming to TV. We actually witnessed some of the madness earlier this month when we came for a very short visit.

With that said, we purchased our first cart today for pick-up on our next visit. YEAH! No more rentals! The question is....will we drive it and risk life and limb or leave it in the garage?:gc:

Bill-n-Brillo 03-25-2012 08:37 PM
HA!! Glad you got a chuckle out of it, Carm! :)

Worry not about driving your new golf cart. Just be careful and drive defensively: operate off the assumption that every other cart you see will do something wrong - and plan accordingly in your driving. I think you'll be just fine!!

And congrats on the new cart!

Bill :)

grayesun 03-25-2012 08:38 PM
Hope All this Venting has Helped
 
I could already report another incident or two of vehicular incivility since this thread started...occurring right here in TV. This seems to be an escalating situation - which puzzles me in our supposed "older - wiser" and safety-conscious community.

Do we have to accept that others folks among us will never yield, never be civil, never show patience or restraint or good common sense or just general decency to fellow mankind. Are there "type A's" out there that look at a trip to Publix or Home Depot as competitive racing challenge, or maybe trying to set a new speed record traveling from a home in Chatham to a tee time at Havana...somehow this doesn't seem too far fetched?

No answers from me on this, but I know there are more than enough angry, careless, speeding or impatient for whatever reason, entitled airheads travelling the roads of life around us...but, there seems to be a good quantity of decent considerate folks among us also, as evidenced by this thread. It's not easy, but let's try not to jump over to the other team, by picking up their bad habits/behavior. Thanks, it's a pleasure sharing life's roads with those that share back.

thistrucksforyou 03-26-2012 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica (Post 470472)
If you hit, you better kill me, because if you don't I am going to own all that you have and then some. You can keep your SO, has he/she would have be to feed and that would eat into the enjoyment of me spending your money.
A ridiculous statement...

mrfixit 03-26-2012 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by red tail (Post 471445)

grind em out in my hand then eat them
....OMG.....Laughed so hard I nearly wet myself..
...that got my blubber gut moving so much that my stomach still hurts.
....made me hungry too...gonna go check the streets for tossed cigs.


Good one ........

red tail 04-06-2012 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cappyjon431 (Post 470943)
That has not been my experience. While I have seen problems with contractors and younger folks on TV's roads, in my personal experience I have seen more incidents with seniors than I have with younger folks (which makes sense, as there are proportionally more seniors on roads in TV). Very recently I had an older woman lay on the horn behind me on El Camino Real because I was in an LSV (doing 26 mph) in the right lane and she couldn't be troubled to go around me in the left lane. Even more recently I had an older woman go forward through two parking spaces at Barnes and Noble (instead of backing out like she was supposed to) without looking and almost cutting me off, almost causing an accident. No big deal, people make mistakes and she should've just been more careful--BUT then she had the nerve to flip me off. It is a good thing I was in an LSV because I tried to catch up with her and discuss it, but she fled. Even this morning me wife was coming home from a long shift at the hospital and some jerk (who she describes as "older") stuck his head out the passenger side window of a vehicle (he was the passenger) and yelled at my wife to drive on the path (even though her LSV is street legal AND permitted on El Camino Real).

There are street signs all over TV saying "Share the Road," but maybe it is difficult for some folks to read.

Please understand I am not saying older drivers aren't competent drivers, only that i've seen more rudeness from older drivers than I have from younger folks. It surprises me. I just hope things improve a little in the next month or so when there are fewer people on our roads.
since you are in your 40s most everyone is going to be 'older' !

cappyjon431 04-06-2012 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by red tail (Post 476128)
since you are in your 40s most everyone is going to be 'older' !
Actually, I just turned 50, but i'm not sure of your point? I'm still capable of knowing what drivers in their 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s look like.;)

CarGuys 04-06-2012 11:05 PM
Well
 
Bill,

We could put all the Carts on a path rail system like Juarassic Park! Naaa that did not work out well did it?

Or how about mandating all Carts have new technology adaptative Radar Cruise Control!
Naaaaaaa?

Good thing Ralph Nader does not read TOTV. He would kill our Carts like the Corvair-

Guess we will have to learn to drive with good ole Common Sense! naaaaaaaaaaaaaa-

Maybe back to the Rail System:ohdear::faint:

senior citizen 04-07-2012 06:53 AM
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JoeC1947 04-07-2012 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 476307)
All good ideas for future travel. But, common sense will have to win out.



We've taken many a road trip in our day and are familiar with all kinds of driving conditions, but we always say it would be nice to have a "time machine of sorts" or a car that you program and then can take a nap while it takes you there. Cruise control of today's auto's isn't quite there yet.
Don't we have that around here already?:laugh:


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