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thelegges 04-06-2018 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by queasy27 (Post 1530584)
What would the owners' side be? Either they're suspicious of the OP and deliberately entered the property without notice to snoop under the guise of weeding, or they genuinely wanted to weed. Either way, if the lease agreement requires 24 hours notice to enter the property (which includes exterior space), they are in violation.

It would be a matter of minutes for the owners to email, text or call the tenant to provide notice. Why would they fail to do so?

If they have concerns about how the OP is caring for the property, they should have been the ones to reach out to him/her.

It’s unusual for tenet to be responsible for water, sewer,trash, amenities fees, and maintenance of property inside or out. Anything done on outside of home has a 9 to 6pm weekday without notice. When we rented from the Villages in 07 maitance guys came and weeded and sprayed in the CV we were renting without notice. But then again for us we never have had such a disconnect between two parties.

I would just discuss with owner.

rustyp 04-06-2018 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JimD215 (Post 1530218)
Waiting for our house to sell up north so we can purchase. Should be in contract to sell this week.

Problem solved. I suspect you only have a couple more weeks to bare it out. Seems like owning is a much better fit than renting for your situation. You didn't rent again for next year did you ?

JimD215 04-06-2018 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1530602)
Problem solved. I suspect you only have a couple more weeks to bare it out. Seems like owning is a much better fit than renting for your situation. You didn't rent again for next year did you ?

No. We only rented for a year knowing we would be purchasing once the house sold. As of now closing is scheduled for May 31st. Still would have 5 months left on the lease

New Englander 04-06-2018 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1530583)
I agree. I think seeing someone unexpected in my yard would give me quite a scare. Just say, you frightened me and please knock next time. They would understand.

This is a good resolution to this situation.

l2ridehd 04-06-2018 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by queasy27 (Post 1530584)
What would the owners' side be? Either they're suspicious of the OP and deliberately entered the property without notice to snoop under the guise of weeding, or they genuinely wanted to weed. Either way, if the lease agreement requires 24 hours notice to enter the property (which includes exterior space), they are in violation.

It would be a matter of minutes for the owners to email, text or call the tenant to provide notice. Why would they fail to do so?

If they have concerns about how the OP is caring for the property, they should have been the ones to reach out to him/her.

It may be out there, but in 10 years of owning rentals and helping others with rentals, I have never seen a lease that required notice for doing outside work. Most owners have no idea when their lawn, shrub, weeding, or pest control people are showing up to do outside work. There are to many uncontrollable things that cause schedules to change. Almost all have a 24 hour notice for entering the home. And in my personal leases I provide a clause giving 24 hour notice for outside work on the structure itself, (power washing ie) but even that is unusual.

manaboutown 04-06-2018 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 1530663)
It may be out there, but in 10 years of owning rentals and helping others with rentals, I have never seen a lease that required notice for doing outside work. Most owners have no idea when their lawn, shrub, weeding, or pest control people are showing up to do outside work. There are to many uncontrollable things that cause schedules to change. Almost all have a 24 hour notice for entering the home. And in my personal leases I provide a clause giving 24 hour notice for outside work on the structure itself, (power washing ie) but even that is unusual.

My father owned several rental houses and while growing up during the 1950s I did some of the yard care. I just showed up and cut the grass whenever it was convenient for me.

In 1966 I bought my first rental property, a four unit small apartment building on Capitol Hill in D.C.. I did a lot of the maintenance and just showed up, except when I needed to actually enter an apartment for which an appointment was scheduled for mutual convenience.

Having been a landlord of both residential and commercial properties ever since - and having been a residential tenant a few times as well - I have never signed a lease as lessor or lessee where yard maintenance required an appointment in advance. I have rented in The Villages on three separate occasions. One house had a backyard pool. The pool maintenance person just showed up, no notice, at her convenience. Same for the yard crews at the houses.

This got me curious so I found the standard Florida Realtor residential lease. https://eforms.com/download/2015/10/...t-template.pdf

It seems to be silent regarding any notice requirement for outside maintenance although plenty of blanks can be checked off and/or filled in to specify such a condition, as well as who is responsible for what.

This is the Florida statute governing residential tenancies. Statutes & Constitution
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gatherer47 04-06-2018 01:30 PM

much ado about nothing !

ColdNoMore 04-06-2018 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gatherer47 (Post 1530701)
much ado about nothing !

I disagree.

I think what most people are forgetting/ignoring...is the layout of CYV's.

Given that we're not talking about windows/sliding doors facing the street, or an open yard, where privacy can't be expected, but instead are facing a walled in area and what is otherwise a very private setting...it's perfectly reasonable for folks to expect a little privacy on that side.

I think the poster above who said that maybe the landlord is just a nosy/Peeping Tom sort, is IMHO...probably the closest to the truth.

Putting a lock on the gate by the tenant, so that someone wanting to access the 'private' back yard and has to ring the doorbell (removing lock it when not home)...is a simple solution that avoids confrontation with the landlord.

manaboutown 04-06-2018 04:09 PM

I have locked gates to my backyards. The lawn guys know where I keep the gate keys for their use. They just come right into the yards. My houses have several glass French doors as well as windows and their blinds are usually open during the day. The yard guys need to come up close and even against the house to prune, sweep and blow leaves and such away from it. They inevitably peek in and if I am at home I wave at them and they wave back. That is how it works.

Now if I had something to hide from a landlord, observable illicit activities, had a wife or girlfriend who liked walking around the house naked, was engaging in some outdoor daytime "Sex on the Squares" activity or the like, then and only then would I be concerned about yard maintenance people entering my yard unannounced.

Transplant 04-06-2018 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1530746)
I disagree.

I think what most people are forgetting/ignoring...is the layout of CYV's.

Given that we're not talking about windows/sliding doors facing the street, or an open yard, where privacy can't be expected, but instead are facing a walled in area and what is otherwise a very private setting...it's perfectly reasonable for folks to expect a little privacy on that side.

I think the poster above who said that maybe the landlord is just a nosy/Peeping Tom sort, is IMHO...probably the closest to the truth.

Putting a lock on the gate by the tenant, so that someone wanting to access the 'private' back yard and has to ring the doorbell (removing lock it when not home)...is a simple solution that avoids confrontation with the landlord.

You hit the nail on the head. This would be grounds to either getting out of the lease since the landlord violated it, or seek some type of monetary compensation from the courts for violating privacy and possible trauma to the cats. Also possible criminal violation if you felt threaten by him looking in. Good luck in whatever course of action you seek.

l2ridehd 04-07-2018 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Transplant (Post 1530798)
You hit the nail on the head. This would be grounds to either getting out of the lease since the landlord violated it, or seek some type of monetary compensation from the courts for violating privacy and possible trauma to the cats. Also possible criminal violation if you felt threaten by him looking in. Good luck in whatever course of action you seek.

This is crazy. Does a CYV have lawn behind the gate? Everyone I ever saw did. Is the owner required to mow that? That answer is yes. So just how does he do that? Make an appointment? Never going to happen.

Lawn services are never going to provide service if they have to make an appointment to mow. And if the owner does it neither should he.

If you require that much control over your CYV yard, buy don't rent.

thelegges 04-07-2018 05:52 AM

Or maybe since the OP is about to have his home close to under contract, and then can buy in TV, he needs to break his lease, six months early. That gives pause and a good reason to not fulfill terms of lease, with a trespassing issue.

Panthers 04-07-2018 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 1530849)
Or maybe since the OP is about to have his home close to under contract, and then can buy in TV, he needs to break his lease, six months early. That gives pause and a good reason to not fulfill terms of lease, with a trespassing issue.

Lol

Panthers 04-07-2018 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1530231)
The rental agreement say only professorial landscapers can pull weeds with out notice
All rental agreements I ever read were 24 hr right of entry not weed pulling

I bet land lord stops taking pets

There are on line services to report problematic tenants. Hope the landlord uses it.

Mrs. Robinson 04-07-2018 07:28 AM

Now Do You Get it???
 
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1530746)
I disagree.

I think what most people are forgetting/ignoring...is the layout of CYV's.

Given that we're not talking about windows/sliding doors facing the street, or an open yard, where privacy can't be expected, but instead are facing a walled in area and what is otherwise a very private setting...it's perfectly reasonable for folks to expect a little privacy on that side.

I think the poster above who said that maybe the landlord is just a nosy/Peeping Tom sort, is IMHO...probably the closest to the truth.

Putting a lock on the gate by the tenant, so that someone wanting to access the 'private' back yard and has to ring the doorbell (removing lock it when not home)...is a simple solution that avoids confrontation with the landlord.

I don't understand why the posters who believe the lessee is wrong, can't see what you have pointed out in very simple terms.

Let me make it even more simple:

The lessee could have shot the owner thinking he was a burglar, since the owner appeared from out of nowhere!

Panthers 04-07-2018 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1530869)
I don't understand why the posters who believe the lessee is wrong, can't see what you have pointed out in very simple terms.

Let me make it even more simple:

The lessee could have shot the owner thinking he was a burglar, since the owner appeared from out of nowhere!

Lol

Panthers 04-07-2018 07:31 AM

Speaks volumes that the tenant had these weeds in a place she had been renting for months.

Wonder what the multiple cat litter box smells like.

ColdNoMore 04-07-2018 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1530869)
I don't understand why the posters who believe the lessee is wrong, can't see what you have pointed out in very simple terms.

One can't help but wonder, given some of the responses, if there aren't more landlords than imagined...whom like to spy on their tenants. :shrug:

manaboutown 04-07-2018 08:18 AM

I wonder what kind of weed was growing in the backyard...

manaboutown 04-07-2018 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1530869)

Let me make it even more simple:

The lessee could have shot the owner thinking he was a burglar, since the owner appeared from out of nowhere!

That is known as murder even if it is a trespasser which the landlord and yard maintenance folks are not. Moreover, the landlords (husband and wife) did not appear out of nowhere. They no doubt came through the gate.

It is self defense if one is defending oneself or another inside a dwelling from an intruder who has made a forced entry, is actually inside the dwelling and poses a mortal threat or great bodily harm.

CFrance 04-07-2018 08:46 AM

Why not just keep the gate locked while you're home. And if what one poster said is the case (Sex-on-the-square activity inside during the day), close the damn blinds! Ew.

In a CYV, even your next-door neighbor has a right to enter your yard to inspect the side of his house.

karostay 04-07-2018 08:53 AM

Think this Horse :0000000000luvmyhors has been beaten up enough.
Time to move along


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