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CWGUY 06-11-2020 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1781626)
What’s a Don Wiley?
WOW :rolleyes:

John_W 06-11-2020 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by birdiebill (Post 1781638)
The speed limit on St. Charles, Moyer, Hillsborough, Pinellas, O’Dell, and most other streets with a marked golf cart lane is 30 mph, not 35.
You're right, it's 30 and not 35. I should know I live just off St. Charles for 9 years. My point was, they're not 45 like Warm Springs.

renrod 06-11-2020 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1781929)
You're right, it's 30 and not 35. I should know I live just off St. Charles for 9 years. My point was, they're not 45 like Warm Springs.
Guess who could take care of the speed limit, reducing it to 35 MPH, like Morse Blvd & Buena Vista?

Curtisbwp 06-11-2020 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by russtcc (Post 1781405)
This is a request to the developer to add an additional crossing for golf carts across the turnpike on the Warm Springs bridge. It has been shown that the north span on the bridge could easily accommodate cart traffic. In fact, compared to the Lake Sumter bridge on Morse it would be wider and much shorter. We appreciate there will be bridges at the north and south end of the Villages on this side of the turnpike but one in the middle would make sense.

The Water Lily bridge will be a great addition but for the Villages of Fenney, DeSoto, McClure, Linden and Monarch Grove a Warm Springs bridge access would provide a speedier route to the new developments such as the championship golf course in Bradford and other commercial developments including faster access to the Chitty Chatty bridge to Lake Deaton Plaza and the Rohan rec center.

Another concern is regarding the Hogeye Trail. The east side of the trail is along the turnpike and is a multi-modal surface with walkers, bicyclists, and golf carts. When the Water Lily bridge opens the amount of golf cart traffic on this portion of the Hogeye trail will increase exponentially. From a safety standpoint it would seem to make sense to decrease golf cart traffic there if possible, for the safety of walkers and those on a bicycle.

We residents south (west) of the turnpike look forward to the future golf cart access to the rest of the Villages. The addition of access across the Warm Springs bridge would be greatly appreciated.
And i wish the tooth fairy would show himself. County, and state officials would have to approne it. Not an easy task.

John_W 06-11-2020 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by renrod (Post 1781936)
Guess who could take care of the speed limit, reducing it to 35 MPH, like Morse Blvd & Buena Vista?
I think you might get some pushback from area residents about 35 on Warm Springs Rd, that would be awfully slow for that road. If they do it, so golf carts can ride on that road, more power to them. I would not want to dive my cart on the side of that road with the dump trucks and everything speeding down there. 35 would make it legal for LSVs, but they would need to go all the way down to 30 for regular carts.

photo1902 06-11-2020 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1781929)
You're right, it's 30 and not 35. I should know I live just off St. Charles for 9 years. My point was, they're not 45 like Warm Springs.
Warm Springs is not 45. It’s 35

John_W 06-11-2020 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1781944)
Warm Springs is not 45. It’s 35
I haven't been down there in about a year, so Warm Springs crossing over the Turnpike is only 35 in that area? My memory must be bad about that. If that's case, you can add the cart lane by dropping it only 5 mph.

bluecenturian 06-11-2020 09:11 AM
It would need county support so how about getting a LARGE group together and go to the county commissioners meeting to express our need and desire for this. There are County seats up for re-election and since 2 of the incumbents couldn’t even get enough signatures on a petition they had to pay to be on the ballot in sure it would be in their best interest to hear out the needs of their constituents.

Your issue with nowhere to go is just uniformed and lacking insight. They put a tunnel in that goes nowhere right now so why was it put up. It would take probably a year to get the lanes put in on 468 and construction is constantly ongoing so the issue isn’t put the lanes in tomorrow for use but to have a future vision 3 years down the road. It’s us a huge necessity for those living west of the turnpike.

Joe C. 06-11-2020 09:19 AM
Need state approval for a bridge over the turnpike.
And maybe they could put up sensors so when you go
over the bridge, the Sunpass would automatically
register the toll charge. :MOJE_whot: :MOJE_whot:

Michael Charles 06-11-2020 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1781944)
Warm Springs is not 45. It’s 35
correct!

Morse Blvd continues south of FL Rte. 44 (45 mph for a short stretch) around the roundabout at the southern entrance to TV of Bradford. Using the bypass lane there it's basically where Warm Springs (35 mph) begins then continues over the turnpike all the way past TV of Fenney ending at US rte 301.

vintageogauge 06-11-2020 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Gmb727 (Post 1781775)
When someone designs, gets approval and builds a bridge with one side considerably wider then the other. You have to wonder if that was the original thought at one time. Maybe it was a backup plan if they couldn't the the separate Water Lilly bridge approved. In any case, I totally agree, it would make life a lot easier to get to Lake Deaton and the other new areas. Also agree, when the water Lilly bridge opens, I think the MMP that parallels the turnpike will be like an Atlanta rush hour. (well, maybe no that bad)
That bridge was supposed to be part of another entrance to the turnpike but the decision to put it there was reversed a few years ago, that may be why it is wider.

Goldwingnut 06-11-2020 09:35 AM
If K-rail is installed, as I suggested in my video, then the 35MPH max issue goes away as the road would be divided and there is no hazard to either the carts or the cars. The 35MPH rule applies when there is no substantial physical separation between the lanes like we see on the primary feeder roads to Morse and Buena Vista. Standard K-rail is 42" high and can also be fitted with additional fencing or barrier on top when additional physical or visual separation is desired or required.

The bridge was built with the additional width requirements planned for an entry/exit ramp to the turnpike on CR468, something no longer possible due to the development.

An engineer can design and justify to provide the best solution possible to meet the need, or they can design and justify to meet the desired or directed solution. I've done both in my past career and have alway preferred the former over the latter.

Getting it approved through the county and FDOT is easily accomplished with sufficient political clout and desire. The first we all know is there, it is only the second that is now question.

Without a crossing on Warm Springs the alternatives of the Water Lily and Bexley bridges are a year or more into the future and hugely inconvenient to residents and merchants on both sides of the turnpike.

Watch the full video on the proposed solution
My Connectivity Theory 3-9-20 - YouTube

vintageogauge 06-11-2020 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1781944)
Warm Springs is not 45. It’s 35
Part of it is 45 except where there is construction and once you cross over the bridge it drops to 35. All of Warm Springs used to be 45, if you look at a GPS it still shows it as 45.

Gmb727 06-11-2020 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1782017)
That bridge was supposed to be part of another entrance to the turnpike but the decision to put it there was reversed a few years ago, that may be why it is wider.
Oh yes, I get it. That probably was going to be a merge lane for people exiting the TP. Now that makes sense. So they cancelled the TP exit project but the bridge was already built, wider on one side. Thanks for clarifying. I am sure that's what happened.

Goldwingnut 06-11-2020 10:38 AM
Yesterday I noticed that there is a new traffic light going in at Meggison and Warm Springs. With the traffic light at the Marsh Bend Trail and Warm Springs intersection on the other side of the road this leaves a very short section of roadway the doesn't lend itself to a 45 MPH speed limit between the lights.


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