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2BNTV 06-22-2016 08:28 AM

I triple that!!!

Today's DS said he was in jail with "no bond". You have to feel sorry for his wife, in that he was lusting after another woman.

Scary and sad.

BTW - I'm sure his spouse is upset at these turn of events, as he seems to gone off the deep end. From a nice home in TV, to jail!

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-22-2016 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1244268)
He is being held without bond right now BUT we all know he will get bond before his trial - which could be a few years away.

Will he have his guns while on bond? Will he be able to terrorize the lady while on bond? If his guns are taken away, how difficult would it be to get another illegaly to "get even" with the neighbors or to go after the lady again?

Is it right to make her remain scared for her life? Lots of questions, no answers.

I don't know what the law is regarding that. It might make sense in some instances that the court could order him to stay away from guns. I believe that the order people who have been charged to stay away from alcohol.

Sandtrap328 06-22-2016 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1244467)
I don't know what the law is regarding that. It might make sense in some instances that the court could order him to stay away from guns. I believe that the order people who have been charged to stay away from alcohol.

Jim,
Of course, the courts could order him not to drink. The court could order him not to touch a gun. How would it be enforced? No one would know until he is drunk or starts waving a gun around - and the lady has to live in constant fear until his trial happens in a few more years.

Just does not seem right but I don't know what could be done.

Any suggestions - and the lady getting a pistol is not a vald suggestion. No one should not have to be armed 24/7 in order to feel safe in The Villages.

Chatbrat 06-22-2016 01:32 PM

There are lots of DEAD people who thought they were protected by court orders

graciegirl 06-22-2016 01:36 PM

I wonder if he has dementia. He has no previous record of trouble. What a terrible mess for his family.

RickeyD 06-22-2016 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1244517)
I wonder if he has dementia. He has no previous record of trouble. What a terrible mess for his family.



Wonder if that diagnosis would allow no jail time. [emoji848]

graciegirl 06-22-2016 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1244521)
Wonder if that diagnosis would allow no jail time. [emoji848]

I don't know. I have no patience with most mental health pleas that I see on TV. I think that usually it is a lawyers way of shinnying out of responsibility for the perp.

Thank heavens no one was hurt, it could have been deadly for sure.

rubicon 06-22-2016 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1244372)

RickeyD: Indeed. You know many human beings don't seem to "get a brain" until they reach 35 then again some never seem to reach that threshold ever.

Enjoyed reading about the biblical temptresses. I wonder how many battles or wars were lost because the generals were too preoccupied in their tents :D...not now commander in the morning in the morning

JoMar 06-22-2016 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1244319)
Temptresses real or imagined have existed since the beginning of mankind. Add booze and an old fool to the equation and you have a recipe for disaster. This has nothing to do with guns. If he didn't have one he would have thrown rocks or something else through her window or it would have gone crashing through her door. Yes indeed he has destroyed a lot of lives with his foolishness.

Out of control libidos have been the bane of humankind in so many ways

So now we have labeled the neighbor and are placing some blame for this guys actions on her?

rjm1cc 06-22-2016 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kahuna32162 (Post 1244160)
How much closer does this have to get to home? A sig sauer 9 mm semi automatic with clips that held 15 and 20 shots each. Does he have the right to own it, yes. Should he own it NO.

Should she own a gun like this?

Sandtrap328 06-22-2016 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rjm1cc (Post 1244585)
Should she own a gun like this?

As I said in an earlier post - No one should have to be armed 24/7 in order to feel safe in The Villages.

Let's take it one step further. Would she safe in The Villages - with that perp just a couple of houses away - even IF she was armed - and knowing his trial would be a long, long time away? Every sound at night around the house might send her in a panic. Very terrifying situation. I

karostay 06-22-2016 05:12 PM

Needs to be exterminated

graciegirl 06-22-2016 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1244582)
So now we have labeled the neighbor and are placing some blame for this guys actions on her?

I surely hope that wasn't meant that way. That man probably is the reason she wasn't there at the time. If he returns to his home, who would want to live close by? I would want to be as far away from deranged behavior like that as possible.

RickeyD 06-22-2016 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1244563)
I don't know. I have no patience with most mental health pleas that I see on TV. I think that usually it is a lawyers way of shinnying out of responsibility for the perp.



Thank heavens no one was hurt, it could have been deadly for sure.



Sad, sick, abnormal, confused, violent, sex. These words float around my mind in this very real occurrence.


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manaboutown 06-22-2016 08:07 PM

This guy is a psycho. If I were her I would move if he does not end up in prison...where he most assuredly belongs.

RickeyD 06-22-2016 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1244615)
Needs to be exterminated



He's a human, not a cockroach.


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Barefoot 06-22-2016 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1244672)
Sad, sick, abnormal, confused, violent, sex. These words float around my mind in this very real occurrence.

Also demented, irrational, deranged, and quite possibly mentally ill.
Come on, drunk or not, who empties their gun into the house of a woman because he has a crush on her?
It's not fair, but If I were that lady, I'd have a For Sale sign in my window.

rubicon 06-23-2016 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1244582)
So now we have labeled the neighbor and are placing some blame for this guys actions on her?

In all due respect JoMar for some reason unknown to me you continue to add your confirmation bias to every one of my comments. Please re-read my comments again, if you are so inclined, and you will see that never once did I blame the victim.

The news today is so depressingly saturated that I ignore most of it and in this instance while I did address my opinion of this guy I tried to make it a little lighter to regain some sense of balance.

Personal Best Regards:

maureenod 06-23-2016 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1244706)
Also demented, irrational, deranged, and quite possibly mentally ill.
Come on, drunk or not, who empties their gun into the house of a woman because he has a crush on her?
It's not fair, but If I were that lady, I'd have a For Sale sign in my window.

Would this qualify for a disclosure? He should have to sell so the neighborhood could feel safer. Who would buy anywhere near that nut. He may need to sell to pay legal costs.

outlaw 06-23-2016 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1244504)
Jim,
Of course, the courts could order him not to drink. The court could order him not to touch a gun. How would it be enforced? No one would know until he is drunk or starts waving a gun around - and the lady has to live in constant fear until his trial happens in a few more years.

Just does not seem right but I don't know what could be done.

Any suggestions - and the lady getting a pistol is not a vald suggestion. No one should not have to be armed 24/7 in order to feel safe in The Villages.

Interesting that you think we need more gun control laws, yet when someone posts that the shooter could be ordered by the court to stay away from guns, you question how that would stop him? Now do you see why gun free zones are a joke? BTW, I believe it is against the law to discharge a firearm in TV. How did that work out? Sooner or later you are going to realize, you can live in fear without a gun, waiting for the predator with a gun, or you can recognize it is up to you to provide your own self defense.

graciegirl 06-23-2016 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1244714)
In all due respect JoMar for some reason unknown to me you continue to add your confirmation bias to every one of my comments. Please re-read my comments again, if you are so inclined, and you will see that never once did I blame the victim.

The news today is so depressingly saturated that I ignore most of it and in this instance while I did address my opinion of this guy I tried to make it a little lighter to regain some sense of balance.

Personal Best Regards:

I understood your post, a long time ago I "got" that you are a kind and considered person.

When something like this issue comes up, something that we can't fix easily, we all seem to pick at each other. I got that you were trying to be light and I too was wondering about dementia. Not all things are social issues or political issues. Some things are just ....well unsolvable.

Probably the reason we have so many churches.

graciegirl 06-23-2016 10:15 AM

[QUOTE=CFrance;1244818]

Humor and subtlety do not come through very well in print when the subject is horrifying.[/
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Now that, my friend, needs to be remembered by us all.

Paper1 06-23-2016 07:39 PM

I hope the guy's wife has some kind of support in the community. She is probably having a very rough few days.

RickeyD 06-23-2016 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Paper1 (Post 1245035)
I hope the guy's wife has some kind of support in the community. She is probably having a very rough few days.



Some people are just so absolutely self centered with no regard for others, this guy is that poster child.


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dbussone 06-23-2016 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1244504)
Jim,

Of course, the courts could order him not to drink. The court could order him not to touch a gun. How would it be enforced? No one would know until he is drunk or starts waving a gun around - and the lady has to live in constant fear until his trial happens in a few more years.



Just does not seem right but I don't know what could be done.



Any suggestions - and the lady getting a pistol is not a vald suggestion. No one should not have to be armed 24/7 in order to feel safe in The Villages.



The judge currently presiding over his case can instruct the sheriff to take and hold his guns until the case is settled.


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PattyCakes 06-24-2016 04:29 AM

Whether he is sentenced to prison or not, this lady should consider moving permanently. If you put yourself in her shoes, even though you know he's in prison, when you open your door every morning wouldn't you look next door, just to be safe? Wouldn't you always be on alert, wondering if today would be the day he got out? Life is too short to spend in anxiety and worry. She was physically unharmed THIS time. The second time might not end as well. She shouldn't give him another chance. And the wife? God bless her and I hope she has a good attorney.

graciegirl 06-24-2016 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PattyCakes (Post 1245087)
Whether he is sentenced to prison or not, this lady should consider moving permanently. If you put yourself in her shoes, even though you know he's in prison, when you open your door every morning wouldn't you look next door, just to be safe? Wouldn't you always be on alert, wondering if today would be the day he got out? Life is too short to spend in anxiety and worry. She was physically unharmed THIS time. The second time might not end as well. She shouldn't give him another chance. And the wife? God bless her and I hope she has a good attorney.

But WHO would WANT to move into that house next to him?

redwitch 06-24-2016 07:25 AM

The victim should be notified of the date of his release, whether it is via bond or end of his sentence. If typical, he'll go before the judge say he is now in AA and therapy. He will probably get off with a slap on the wrist unless a previous history can be shown.

If the woman is typical, she will be looking at everyone very differently. She'll be afraid to make new friends. She'll be extremely cautious and downright paranoid whether he is in jail or not. She may well get a gun but it won't give her a lot of reassurance.

Sadly, the wife may very well stick with her husband. Unless his behavior was due to medication or dementia, this probably wasn't the first time he got a "crush" on someone. Also, he more than likely is an abuser and it is difficult for many women to walk from that, especially if the abuse is more psychological than physical. Her self-worth will be in the gutter.

outlaw 06-24-2016 07:43 AM

I wonder if the woman even knew he was dangerously obsessed with her, or, depending on her history with other men flirting with her, she saw him as just another flirtatious man whose "bark was bigger than his bite"? Not blaming her for any of this, but she may have been clueless to this guy's mental state, and even "accommodated" a little flirting as something an "old harmless senior" does frequently, and was just trying to get along with her neighbors. If she was a real attractive woman, she might have been so used to being flirted with that she just let it roll off of her.

graciegirl 06-24-2016 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1245131)
I wonder if the woman even knew he was dangerously obsessed with her, or, depending on her history with other men flirting with her, she saw him as just another flirtatious man whose "bark was bigger than his bite"? Not blaming her for any of this, but she may have been clueless to this guy's mental state, and even "accommodated" a little flirting as something an "old harmless senior" does frequently, and was just trying to get along with her neighbors. If she was a real attractive woman, she might have been so used to being flirted with that she just let it roll off of her.

I don't know this woman, but I do know she is friends with six of my friends who are frequent posters on this forum. I haven't asked any of them about her but trust their good judgment about their choices. From her Facebook page she appears to be quite pleasant looking but in no way attempting to be attention getting. Not a femme fatale in any way and I mean that most kindly. Please don't blame her, she was probably just being friendly and kind as most people are. I wouldn't be surprised if she posted on this forum and I am sending hugs to her.

Nucky 06-24-2016 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1245091)
But WHO would WANT to move into that house next to him?

By law would this event need to be exposed to a potential buyer before closing? Are there other disclosure laws in effect? I hope the victim stay's in her home and lives her life fearlessly.

kstew43 06-24-2016 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1245179)
By law would this event need to be exposed to a potential buyer before closing? Are there other disclosure laws in effect? I hope the victim stay's in her home and lives her life fearlessly.

unless there was a murder......the need for disclosure is not necessary....

But when the new buyers talk to any of the neighbors.....thats another story....

redwitch 06-24-2016 09:43 AM

From what I've read, the victim was very uncomfortable around this man and did her best to avoid him. She was in no way at fault. Heck, even if she had slept with him, she was not at fault. Stalkers can develop a "meaningful relationship" with their victim by almost any actions of the victim. A simple hello can be interpreted as "I love you". A tweet about the weather becomes an invitation in the mind of the stalker. To even remotely blame the victim is, at best, patently unfair.

NotGolfer 06-24-2016 12:00 PM

I know this was brought up earlier in this thread but my reading of the article brought to mind that because this act was so bizarre--the guy may have some dementia issues going on. Behaviors change early on with this. The article gives so little information and we can just speculate all we want on why it happened. I do hope that the proper measures are being done with him so our community will be safe.

outlaw 06-24-2016 12:58 PM

I'm surprised the man wasn't charged with attempted murder, unless he told the police he knew no one was in the house. In that case, couldn't there have been a charge of terrorism (or something in that area) based on him going so far over the top (33 rounds into the house) as to cause terror to the victim? Is there such a thing like that?

Barefoot 06-24-2016 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1245193)
From what I've read, the victim was very uncomfortable around this man and did her best to avoid him. She was in no way at fault. Heck, even if she had slept with him, she was not at fault. Stalkers can develop a "meaningful relationship" with their victim by almost any actions of the victim. A simple hello can be interpreted as "I love you". A tweet about the weather becomes an invitation in the mind of the stalker. To even remotely blame the victim is, at best, patently unfair.

Stalkers hear what they want to hear, not what is said.
I feel very sorry for this woman, caught up in some man's aberration.
There is nothing fair about the situation.
If I were her, I'd definitely be moving, to get some peace of mind.

Chi-Town 06-26-2016 08:23 AM

Interesting article featuring the shooter without mentioning The Villages:

Women Often Pay The Price" - When Male Entitlement Collides With Guns, Women Often Pay The Price

Taltarzac725 06-26-2016 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1245887)
Interesting article featuring the shooter without mentioning The Villages:

Women Often Pay The Price" - When Male Entitlement Collides With Guns, Women Often Pay The Price

Thanks for that link.

Here is a resource that might be helpful for people-- VAWnet | The National Online Resource Center on Violence Against Women

I had a stalker Gail P., as did my then live-in girlfriend Jennifer V., while I was on the reference desk at the University of Minnesota Law Library in 1989-1990 for about nine months. The University could not do much of anything to stop her. She was at the Law Library researching her defense in a stalking of a U of MN Mathematics Professor. She had chained herself to his desk to get his attention. She followed me home one day and I think that was enough for the University to put some controls on her.

I do know what this feels like though. I will say though that my then live-in girlfriend Jennifer fought like a tiger to get the U of MN to do something. She was a U of MN Law School Student Class of 1990.

BritParrothead 06-26-2016 09:44 AM

Saw this on Huffington Post this morning :(

EnglishJW 06-26-2016 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by village dreamer (Post 1244228)
33 shots and only 3k in damages.........the front door cost $1800..................

In the overall scheme of things this is a minor issue but I had the same thought.


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