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retiredguy123 01-06-2025 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2399259)
My 2018 contract was not an As-Is contract. The threshold in y contract was 1.5%. Below that must be repaired and above that the seller had the option to cancel the contract.

Interesting. In the contracts that I am familiar with, the seller had no obligation to make any repairs, but the buyer could cancel the contract if the seller chose to not make the repairs. If the repair costs exceeded the threshold, the buyer could cancel regardless.

Bill14564 01-06-2025 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2399263)
Interesting. In the contracts that I am familiar with, the seller had no obligation to make any repairs, but the buyer could cancel the contract if the seller chose to not make the repairs. If the repair costs exceeded the threshold, the buyer could cancel regardless.

I’ll scan the page or copy the text sometime.

kingofbeer 01-06-2025 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2399160)
Any person who sells real estate for a commission must be licensed by the state.

The OP didn't say that it was an "as-is" contract, so, without confirming, that is a fairly large assumption. I have never purchased a house with an as-is contract.

Everyone seems to be speculating and confused. In Florida, the "as-is" contract is the most common one used. The buyer has an inspection period to "inspect" the property and can cancel the contract for any reason. We do not know the specifics of the OP's contract. However, the OP said that he was allowed to cancel the contract.

5 Key Facts About The Florida “As-Is” Contract - Farshchian Law, P.A

asianthree 01-06-2025 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jrref (Post 2399252)
So, if the inspection finds a crack in the foundation or the home needs a new roof then can the buyer backout even if the seller agrees to fix the problems?

My thoughts are, if there is a severe crack in the slab or some severe drainage issue or something more significant is found, eventhough the seller agrees to fix the problem, I might not want to by the house.

Or another situation where the inspector finds evidence that the house had a fire or a flood and the damage was repaired. Again, I might not want to purchase that house or at least I would want to re-negioate the price.

So what protections does the buyer have?

Actually when you speak to whatever insurance company, many are obligated to inform you there has been a fire, flood, or major damage such as a sinkhole. Not only is it in the best interest for you, they are more concerned for their interest.

retiredguy123 01-06-2025 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kingofbeer (Post 2399271)
Everyone seems to be speculating and confused. In Florida, the "as-is" contract is the most common one used. The buyer has an inspection period to "inspect" the property and can cancel the contract for any reason. We do not know the specifics of the OP's contract. However, the OP said that he was allowed to cancel the contract.

5 Key Facts About The Florida “As-Is” Contract - Farshchian Law, P.A

As-is sales contracts are rarely used in the Villages and almost never used by the Property of the Villages for resales. I confirmed this with the Villages sales office today.

Babubhat 01-06-2025 03:59 PM

Is this the contract used? See section 12

https://www.floridarealtors.org/site...ned%5B2%5D.pdf

Inspection standards

Home Inspection Standards of Practice - InterNACHI(R)

Tie Dye Lady 01-06-2025 06:12 PM

Use An As IS Contract Best For Both Seller and Buyer
 
If your agent stated you should get your deposit back make sure you speak with their broker. If the broker blows you off sue the broker. An agent cannot state you are going to get your deposit back. Both parties need to sign off to release the deposit. Your contract rules and if you do not understand your contract then the agent needs to refer you to an attorney. In Florida if you did not sign a single agency agreement with your agent then they do not represent you as a fiduciary.

As a licensed Florida broker my advise to all buyers and sellers is use an AS IS Sales Contract. A buyer can cancel for whatever reason and if the buyer find issues they can negotiate with the seller what items they want fixed. If it doesn’t work out the buyer gets their deposit back. The seller will get the inspection report and has the option of moving forward with the buyer or not. It’s the best contract for both the seller and buyer. As a seller I would never agree to a fixed price for repairs given my experience with idiot inspectors.

Ask yourself how many times do you want to pay a home inspector? Home inspector's pick out such crap on a home it’s ridiculous only to get you to pay them more money. You got an AS IS Contract your in control.

All buyers should get an insurance contingency. Buyers absolutely need one even on a new home in Florida.

Hope everything works out for you.

Papa_lecki 01-06-2025 08:05 PM

If it’s not an as is contract, you can ask the seller to repair ALL items in the inspection report.

Bonanza 01-06-2025 08:06 PM

Real Estate Companies CAN Hold Escrow Funds
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2398955)
OP, you should know that the earnest money is not being held by The Villages. It should have been deposited into an escrow account and controlled by an escrow company. You may want to call the escrow company and ask them if The Villages has authorized them to release the money to you.

A real estate company CAN hold escrow funds in a separate account as set up by law, but most companies choose not to hold escrow funds because it's too much trouble.

Do you know for a fact that The Villages does NOT hold escrow money?
I don't know whether they do or do not.

retiredguy123 01-06-2025 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 2399346)
A real estate company CAN hold escrow funds in a separate account as set up by law, but most companies choose not to hold escrow funds because it's too much trouble.

Do you know for a fact that The Villages does NOT hold escrow money?
I don't know whether they do or do not.

I don't know if The Villages violates the law or not. But, the standard sales contract names an escrow agent to hold the earnest money. An escrow agent is defined as follows:

"The escrow agent is an independent third party in charge of holding the assets, documents, and/or money in escrow until the contractual condition is fulfilled in the terms and conditions established by the parties in the escrow agreement. The escrow agent might be a natural person or entity."

So, basically, the concept is that an independent third party controls the money, not the listing broker. The listing broker is not the decider for the earnest money. Some brokers try to intimidate buyers by leading them to believe that they control the earnest money. I think that a buyer should understand this legal concept.

DebMil 01-06-2025 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinTurboViper (Post 2398933)
Recently purchased home "From The Villages" and after inspection found MAJOR problems with inspection. After inspection period of 10 days I cancelled my contract on the 9th day of the 10 day cancellation period.

I was told by my Realtor I would get my refund and now going on 3 weeks and having my Realtor tell me over and over "It has to take a few days" to which I think 3 weeks should have been long enough.

Just wondering if anyone else has had this problem and what time limit (if any) is appropriate and who you suggest I contact in order to receive this.

Appreciate your help and look forward to your advice

This happened to us too, but not in TV. In Dell Webb. We canceled on 5th day due to a bad inspection. The sellers agent kept 1/2 our deposit and that was the best I could negotiate.
As of August 24, there is a Non As Is contract now called FRBAR. Most realtors are using it, so it seems.
If you have this contract, basically, there is no out clause.
It states the seller has the right to fix all issues on the inspection, if they do, you are stuck, even if for example 2 windows are leaking but 10 more are soon to leak. They fix 2, you are stuck with what's left down the road.

I would suggest reading your contract.
I called FREC, but they only help Realtors now a days. All you can do is print off a complaint form on the Department on Professional Regulations and fax or mail it in.

Did they send you a cancelation agreement and both you and seller signed? Did it say you would get your full escrow back?
You can always call the Escrow agent or Title Company to learn what's up.

Best of Luck..

jcreason5616 01-07-2025 09:29 AM

Insurance quote in advance
 
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2398959)
Age of the roof yes, but insurability?

How is a new buyer from outside the area supposed to anticipate a problem that is just now beginning to affect those who have lived here for decades?

It has never occurred to me to call insurance companies to inquire about a new policy for a home that I was only considering. I wonder how a company would react to that, would they send someone right out or would they suggest I move towards purchasing the home before asking them to spend time on it?

With every new home we have considered purchasing in The Villages, we got an insurance quote prior to making an offer.

Bilyclub 01-07-2025 10:00 PM

The OP has left the thread hanging...

manaboutown 01-07-2025 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilyclub (Post 2399575)
The OP has left the thread hanging...

Well, I hope Ernest gets his money back.

Normal 01-08-2025 07:16 AM

Comments
 
Some comments in this thread sure seem to make it “Not A Friendly Place to Buy a Home.” Most should learn to be safe with their money and purchase only after reading all of the documents! A little more than 50% finance, so if the home they wish to buy is uninsurable, the whole purchase ting is mooted anyway. All homes financed must be insured.

It's Hot There 01-08-2025 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2399607)
Some comments in this thread sure seem to make it “Not A Friendly Place to Buy a Home.”

Marketing Slogan.

Normal 01-08-2025 12:37 PM

Not
 
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Originally Posted by It's Hot There (Post 2399609)
Marketing Slogan.

Not really, it just underlines the huge risk if you decide a mortgage is how you want to buy a home here in the Villages. If you don’t pay cash, stay away because you have an increased risk of losing your deposit money on a home you like.

It's Hot There 01-08-2025 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2399738)
Not really, it just underlines the huge risk if you decide a mortgage is how you want to buy a home here in the Villages. If you don’t pay cash, stay away because you have an increased risk of losing your deposit money on a home you like.

The marketing slogan has nothing to do with a mortgage decision, nothing to do losing your deposit, nothing to do with normal due diligence.

retiredguy123 01-08-2025 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2399738)
Not really, it just underlines the huge risk if you decide a mortgage is how you want to buy a home here in the Villages. If you don’t pay cash, stay away because you have an increased risk of losing your deposit money on a home you like.

Even if you pay cash for the house, you still need to put up earnest money before the sales contract is finalized. As a buyer, I would try to use the lowest amount of earnest money acceptable to the seller. But, as a seller, I would demand at least $10K or more in earnest money, especially if the listing broker gets half of any forfeited earnest money.

Normal 01-08-2025 01:50 PM

Right
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2399748)
Even if you pay cash for the house, you still need to put up earnest money before the sales contract is finalized. As a buyer, I would try to use the lowest amount of earnest money acceptable to the seller. But, as a seller, I would demand at least $10K or more in earnest money, especially if the listing broker gets half of any forfeited earnest money.

Yes, but the poor saps who need to have insurance for their sale to go through get slapped with forfeit of their earnest money.

TCRSO 01-09-2025 07:55 AM

The contract requires the the seller correct defects up to 1.5% of the purchase price. If the cost of repairs do not exceed that amount, there is no basis to cancel the contract.

Normal 01-09-2025 08:23 AM

Not Sufficient
 
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Originally Posted by TCRSO (Post 2399933)
The contract requires the the seller correct defects up to 1.5% of the purchase price. If the cost of repairs do not exceed that amount, there is no basis to cancel the contract.

Yes, that is 6,000 dollars on a 400 K house. Last I checked, it doesn’t come close to the price of a roof.

DAVES 01-09-2025 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinTurboViper (Post 2398933)
Recently purchased home "From The Villages" and after inspection found MAJOR problems with inspection. After inspection period of 10 days I cancelled my contract on the 9th day of the 10 day cancellation period.

I was told by my Realtor I would get my refund and now going on 3 weeks and having my Realtor tell me over and over "It has to take a few days" to which I think 3 weeks should have been long enough.

Just wondering if anyone else has had this problem and what time limit (if any) is appropriate and who you suggest I contact in order to receive this.

Appreciate your help and look forward to your advice

These things are covered by LAW. People are often confused. MY REALTOR. Unless you hired a realtor working for YOU-the buyer the realtor works for the SELLER.

No shortage of OPINIONS. On a resale I would hire an attorney that represents YOU. YOUR ATTY would hold the earnest money. ALL IS NEGOTIABLE-reminder your realtor dowes not work for you but for the SELLER.

The villages are a great operation. I would call the villages office and find out what is normal.
I would also call the realtors board. ETHICS, REASONABLE is debatable. Sounds like what you got is-I have a pile of other things to deal with. REALTOR? Mostly you deal with a salesman or lady. Ask to speak to the BROKER-they are the one with the license and a REPUTATION to protect.

DAVES 01-09-2025 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DebMil (Post 2399358)
This happened to us too, but not in TV. In Dell Webb. We canceled on 5th day due to a bad inspection. The sellers agent kept 1/2 our deposit and that was the best I could negotiate.
As of August 24, there is a Non As Is contract now called FRBAR. Most realtors are using it, so it seems.
If you have this contract, basically, there is no out clause.
It states the seller has the right to fix all issues on the inspection, if they do, you are stuck, even if for example 2 windows are leaking but 10 more are soon to leak. They fix 2, you are stuck with what's left down the road.

I would suggest reading your contract.
I called FREC, but they only help Realtors now a days. All you can do is print off a complaint form on the Department on Professional Regulations and fax or mail it in.

Did they send you a cancelation agreement and both you and seller signed? Did it say you would get your full escrow back?
You can always call the Escrow agent or Title Company to learn what's up.

Best of Luck..

My first name is David. We've all heard the story of David vs Goliath. I see it different than most. If, David let Goliath set the RULES we would never have heard the story. David would surely have been another unknown DEAD PERSON.

retiredguy123 01-09-2025 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2400127)
These things are covered by LAW. People are often confused. MY REALTOR. Unless you hired a realtor working for YOU-the buyer the realtor works for the SELLER.

No shortage of OPINIONS. On a resale I would hire an attorney that represents YOU. YOUR ATTY would hold the earnest money. ALL IS NEGOTIABLE-reminder your realtor dowes not work for you but for the SELLER.

The villages are a great operation. I would call the villages office and find out what is normal.
I would also call the realtors board. ETHICS, REASONABLE is debatable. Sounds like what you got is-I have a pile of other things to deal with. REALTOR? Mostly you deal with a salesman or lady. Ask to speak to the BROKER-they are the one with the license and a REPUTATION to protect.

I totally agree with your first paragraph. Buyers are always using the term "MY AGENT" as if they have an agent who represents them. In most cases, they do not. The agent represents the seller not the buyer. I don't understand why this concept is so difficult for buyers to understand.


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