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paulandjean 12-09-2011 06:56 AM

A single road should not cause to much of a problem.Safety was one of the concerns.Sounds like the area will not be disturbed very much.

graciegirl 12-09-2011 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 427165)
A single road should not cause to much of a problem.Safety was one of the concerns.Sounds like the area will not be disturbed very much.

BUT...if it truly was the undisturbable Wildlife Preserve...than there is a REAL problem.

I think anyone who doesn't have anything built behind them is asking for a huge surprise someday, but I really thought some of this was Protected Land...I don't know by whom...The Federal Gubmunt? The Florida uppity-ups? The Society for the protection of Egrets?

I am kinda joking but I am not joking either.

drdodge 12-09-2011 08:01 AM

all of the land north of 466 where the morse family live to the south of Santiago will be houses sometime in the near future . Its just called a preserve for general purposes.
drd

graciegirl 12-09-2011 08:31 AM

If this is part of the Morse compound than I guess it isn't protected anything............

Boudicca 12-09-2011 09:11 AM

Gracies "poor little girl from the mining town"
 
That poor little girl from the mining town, graduated from a prestigious college where she'd obtained a full scholarship. She used the money she'd earned while in college from teaching city kids how to play the fiddle, how to properly gut and cook "game meat"to go to a small, yet select private Finishing School in Switzerland. Speach therapy smoothed her country accent (which in reallity was quite charming) Our heroine learned how to walk with a book on her head (huh?) was taught all the "social graces", had a clothing and facial "make-over"........ Then she met the titled man of her dreams (although we don't know the content of those dreams)

graciegirl 12-09-2011 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by shrandell (Post 427211)
That poor little girl from the mining town, graduated from a prestigious college where she'd obtained a full scholarship. She used the money she'd earned while in college from teaching city kids how to play the fiddle, how to properly gut and cook "game meat"to go to a small, yet select private Finishing School in Switzerland. Speach therapy smoothed her country accent (which in reallity was quite charming) Our heroine learned how to walk with a book on her head (huh?) was taught all the "social graces", had a clothing and facial "make-over"........ Then she met the titled man of her dreams (although we don't know the content of those dreams)

Sandra. I am waiting here to hug you.

Boudicca 12-09-2011 09:25 AM

Gracie's hug
 
Thank you, Gracie. I just had to "go there" when I read your little post script:laugh: Will collect that hug, next week....

bike42 12-09-2011 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by drdodge (Post 427176)
all of the land north of 466 where the morse family live to the south of Santiago will be houses sometime in the near future . Its just called a preserve for general purposes.
drd

The land north of 466 where the Morses and SEVERAL OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS live is not part of The Villages and never has been. Private owners of land can do whatever they wish with it, including sell it, as long as they are within the limits of its zoning and setbacks. Anyone who buys a house within The Villages (or any other development) that backs up onto land that is privately owned needs to assume that something may change in the future.

The Preserves within The Villages are clearly marked as such with small white signs along the black board fences ("Nature Preserve, No trespassing, pets, hunting, etc., etc.). If you have a black board fence behind your property that does not have these signs, you are not on a Preserve and cannot expect any future protection of the land by The Villages.

At least the properties in the parcel north of 466 are zoned Agricultural. Down in the newer areas, near 466A, people are buying houses that back up to farms and raving about their wonderful views, feed ing the horses and so forth. Much of that land is zoned Commercial and the owners are just waiting for a chance to capitalize on the growth of The Villages.

pooh 12-09-2011 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bike42 (Post 427225)
The land north of 466 where the Morses and SEVERAL OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS live is not part of The Villages and never has been. Private owners of land can do whatever they wish with it, including sell it, as long as they are within the limits of its zoning and setbacks. Anyone who buys a house within The Villages (or any other development) that backs up onto land that is privately owned needs to assume that something may change in the future.

The Preserves within The Villages are clearly marked as such with small white signs along the black board fences ("Nature Preserve, No trespassing, pets, hunting, etc., etc.). If you have a black board fence behind your property that does not have these signs, you are not on a Preserve and cannot expect any future protection of the land by The Villages.

At least the properties in the parcel north of 466 are zoned Agricultural. Down in the newer areas, near 466A, people are buying houses that back up to farms and raving about their wonderful views, feed ing the horses and so forth. Much of that land is zoned Commercial and the owners are just waiting for a chance to capitalize on the growth of The Villages.

A good reminder to anyone who is considering a home or lot that backs to open land...check on the zoning or ownership of the land behind your property.

paulandjean 12-09-2011 10:22 AM

Like I said, It could be a safety issue for the post office traffic. Small golf cart trail will not hurt anything. Remember this area and all of florida could be a preserve. Remember the buffalo preserve,really just a field. Have to relax and not jump to conclusions. So its not a real problem.

janmcn 12-09-2011 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 427022)
I sent an email to Janet Tutt, District Manager regarding construction in the Village of Santiago. Here is her reply....


Good Evening,

I really appreciate your helping us to address rumors.

There is plan (subject to District 1 finalizing in the morning) to move forward with a one way path across District property (adjacent to wetland area) to the De La Vista postal facility to allow carts to access it without going out on to Morse.

Other than that, there are no other activities taking place.

Let me know if you need anything further.

Janet

Why doesn't Janet Tutt know what's going on in Village Santiago? Does she not know or is she just not saying?

Bogie Shooter 12-09-2011 10:54 AM

I sent another email to Janet, here is her reply to my question that I was asking about Santiago and no De Le Vista..........

Good Evening,

I knew you said Village of Santiago. I just wanted you to know what was happening just in case that is where the rumor was coming from re: the roadway. I am not aware of anything happening in Santiago. I have copied Sam in case he is aware of anything.

Have a great weekend.

Janet

-----------------------------------
The Sam mentioned is Sam Wartinbee with District Property Management.
I think the original poster should provide more information to her claim, street, area, etc.

Bogie Shooter 12-09-2011 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 427235)
Why doesn't Janet Tutt know what's going on in Village Santiago? Does she not know or is she just not saying?

How would I or anyone else be able to answer your questions? Maybe you could email and ask her. Your implication in your questions seems very unfair to me.

I have found Janet to be very responsive to any question I have asked. She is held in high regard in the way she performs the role of District Manager. And has been complimented by both the POA & HOA in their newsletters.

duffysmom 12-09-2011 11:09 AM

I hold Janet Tutt in the highest regard. She has been extremely helpful to our family and friends when all else failed. She attends all of the POA meetings as well. :coolsmiley:

Barefoot 12-09-2011 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pooh (Post 427232)
A good reminder to anyone who is considering a home or lot that backs to open land...check on the zoning or ownership of the land behind your property.

In 2007, We almost bought a home backing on "horse fields", and highly recommended by the agent for privacy. We drove to the street where the horse farm had frontage, and it had a huge For Sale sign. Buyers Beware!

swimdawg 12-09-2011 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 427257)
In 2007, We almost bought a home backing on "horse fields", and highly recommended by the agent for privacy. We drove to the street where the horse farm had frontage, and it had a huge For Sale sign. Buyers Beware!

I bought property last January on a "lake" (Well, Bill would call it a retention pond :) ). Anyway, my sales rep made it exceedingly clear that TV did not own the property on the other side of the lake...........which is now a farm. I signed all kinds of paperwork acknowledging the fact that I understood that TV did not own that property.

Surprisingly......and much to my delight, TV added many lovely trees on the other side of the lake which will eventually obstruct the view of whatever will be built over there. They also added some lovely greenery on our side of the lake. Very classy!

They didn't have to do that.....all the lots had been sold....yes...all the lots were sold! But I was really happy about it. I guess that Morse family likes to have their properties look "top shelf". Yes, TV is TOP SHELF!!!

angiefox10 12-09-2011 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by swimdawg (Post 427274)
I bought property last January on a "lake" (Well, Bill would call it a retention pond :) ). Anyway, my sales rep made it exceedingly clear that TV did not own the property on the other side of the lake...........which is now a farm. I signed all kinds of paperwork acknowledging the fact that I understood that TV did not own that property.

Surprisingly......and much to my delight, TV added many lovely trees on the other side of the lake which will eventually obstruct the view of whatever will be built over there. They also added some lovely greenery on our side of the lake. Very classy!

They didn't have to do that.....all the lots had been sold....yes...all the lots were sold! But I was really happy about it. I guess that Morse family likes to have their properties look "top shelf". Yes, TV is TOP SHELF!!!

Huh??? I didn't hear you... what'd you say??? :laugh:

quirky3 12-09-2011 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 427012)
On TV map it's called the Harold S Schwartz Wildlife Preserve, but locals have called it the owl preserve forever. It's south of Azteca Loop and Caribe Drive, east of BVB, west of Arredondo, north of Carvello and Panchos Way.

Here is a link to a house in that area that is for sale. The write-up mentions that it is on an Owl Preserve, and the map shows exactly where she is talking about - hope that helps to clarify the area in question.
http://www.trulia.com/property/map/3...lages-FL-32162

chuckster 12-09-2011 02:42 PM

Post #48 mentions small white signs on the black rail fence that states "property is a preserve and no trespassing", etc. Could be wrong but in all the views towards the field from the house for sale in prior post didn't see any such signs. jmho but kinda throws doubt onto the area being a preserve even though map might indicate same. Could be Ag/Comm. property. As I said jmho.......don't have a dog in this fight.

quirky3 12-09-2011 02:49 PM

I agree, I looked for signs on the fence but I didn't see any. However, there was a picture of a burrowing tortoise, which is a federally protected species. Who knows?

Bogie Shooter 12-09-2011 04:52 PM

Follow up to my earlier posts. I have received a response from Sam Wartinbee because Janet Tutt forwarded my email to him.
Looks like everybody can go back to enjoying the good life and stop the hand wringing and worrying.My advice is, if you see something that you don't understand and want an answer, send Janet an email. These folks don't like rumors any more than we do.

Good Morning,



The property owner in Lakes and Live Oaks south of the Village of Santiago is clearing a path for exercising the horses, a road is not being built.



Sam Wartinbee

Director, District Property Management

3231 Wedgewood Lane

Villages, Fl. 32162

swimdawg 12-09-2011 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 427360)
Follow up to my earlier posts. I have received a response from Sam Wartinbee because Janet Tutt forwarded my email to him.
Looks like everybody can go back to enjoying the good life and stop the hand wringing and worrying.My advice is, if you see something that you don't understand and want an answer, send Janet an email. These folks don't like rumors any more than we do.

Good Morning,



The property owner in Lakes and Live Oaks south of the Village of Santiago is clearing a path for exercising the horses, a road is not being built.



Sam Wartinbee

Director, District Property Management

3231 Wedgewood Lane

Villages, Fl. 32162

So all that fretting and worrying was for naught?! Can you see me shaking my head...rolling my eyes? Ohhhh......there's not enough popcorn around for this one! :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

Barefoot 12-09-2011 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 427360)
Follow up to my earlier posts. I have received a response from Sam Wartinbee because Janet Tutt forwarded my email to him.
These folks don't like rumors any more than we do.[/COLOR]

Good Morning,

The property owner in Lakes and Live Oaks south of the Village of Santiago is clearing a path for exercising the horses, a road is not being built.
Sam Wartinbee
Villages, Fl. 32162

Three cheers for Bogie and his rational approach!

Pturner 12-09-2011 10:16 PM

Bogie Shooter for President. :)

paulandjean 12-10-2011 06:55 AM

Remember like I said we should not jump to conclusions. Really not a big problem.Way back on page 5.

graciegirl 12-10-2011 09:00 AM

moi?:undecided:

nitehawk 12-10-2011 09:27 AM

Great job Bogie Shooter :bigbow:

skyguy79 12-10-2011 10:52 AM

Great root'n-toot'n-shoot'n shooter! http://www.allpest.com/wot/smileys/woohoo.gif

graciegirl 12-10-2011 11:01 AM

In my very humble opinion, Bogie Shooter always gets it right.

He sees the bottom line and has good common sense and knows how to spot a scam, find the answer, and say it like it really is. Plus he is FAIR and doesn't have some hidden agenda.

Boy Howdy. That Bogie is great!!

He reminds me of my Sweetie...and that is the nicest thing I can say about anyone.

Bogie Shooter 12-10-2011 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 427599)
In my very humble opinion, Bogie Shooter always gets it right.

He sees the bottom line and has good common sense and knows how to spot a scam, find the answer, and say it like it really is. Plus he is FAIR and doesn't have some hidden agenda.

Boy Howdy. That Bogie is great!!

He reminds me of my Sweetie...and that is the nicest thing I can say about anyone.

Aw shucks, Ma'am. :sigh:

paulandjean 12-10-2011 03:02 PM

No Problem

mariluu65 12-10-2011 05:17 PM

Not a rumor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 427360)
Follow up to my earlier posts. I have received a response from Sam Wartinbee because Janet Tutt forwarded my email to him.
Looks like everybody can go back to enjoying the good life and stop the hand wringing and worrying.My advice is, if you see something that you don't understand and want an answer, send Janet an email. These folks don't like rumors any more than we do.

Good Morning,



The property owner in Lakes and Live Oaks south of the Village of Santiago is clearing a path for exercising the horses, a road is not being built.



Sam Wartinbee

Director, District Property Management

3231 Wedgewood Lane

Villages, Fl. 32162

What I told you is a fact....not a rumor. There are ATV's, golf carts, and motorcycles riding on the dirt ROAD that they are making in back of my house!! So it is not a PATH to just exercise horses!

Also, I have in writing that my property bordered a Wildlife Preserve that would always remain rural. Now I see carts carrying garbage cans and pulling horses down this road. I am sick over this and plan to see what I can do legally.

Marilu Smith

graciegirl 12-10-2011 05:49 PM

Mariluu

You need no help from anyone if you have it in writing. If your home is a resale, then it would be the responsibility of the previous owners unless there is something on the deed.

Where do you live?

Bogie Shooter 12-10-2011 07:34 PM

i agree with Gracie. Where do you live, what is the street name. You came on here with a gripe, how do you expect anyone to help?

coach 12-10-2011 08:35 PM

Ms Smith, Is your property located at xxxxxxxxxxxx. in Sumter County?

If so, the Sumter County tax office can answer any questions you have about property that adjoins your property. Your inquires should be directed to the zoning dept.

This forum can do nothing except guess as to your situation. A call on Monday to the county offices can answer all your questions.

The Shadow 12-10-2011 11:10 PM

I will bet you the property with the path is owned by GTMJ Investments Group value $232,320 and the wild life preserve is a strip of property approximately 65 feet wide and approximately 4/10 miles long running along the back of the properties in your area separating you from the farm land in your area. The 65 feet wide property is owned by The Villages of Lake Sumter. It is obvious do to the shape of this property it will not be built on.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/i...lages/Map2.jpg

paulandjean 12-11-2011 07:01 AM

I do not think she wants her address posted. You should respect her wishes.

graciegirl 12-11-2011 07:50 AM

Shadow. One picture is worth a thousand words.

It is always wise to prepare for a surprise when you buy a lot with nothing on it behind you.

The Shadow 12-11-2011 09:43 AM

Another 1000 words, note the red “X”.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/i...lages/Map3.jpg

mariluu65 12-11-2011 11:53 AM

You are correct as to location
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Shadow (Post 427841)
I will bet you the property with the path is owned by GTMJ Investments Group value $232,320 and the wild life preserve is a strip of property approximately 65 feet wide and approximately 4/10 miles long running along the back of the properties in your area separating you from the farm land in your area. The 65 feet wide property is owned by The Villages of Lake Sumter. It is obvious do to the shape of this property it will not be built on.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/i...lages/Map2.jpg

Yes, that is the area and our home. And that is the land that a dirt road is being built on. I will be going to the appraiser's office tomorrow.

Thanks to all of you for your help.
MARILU


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