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Madelaine Amee 10-03-2014 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jbdlfan (Post 947821)
Not his first time in the news here. Search his name on the off campus news site.

Kinda sad really. When the other half read me the incident in the newspaper this morning I was amazed ............ now on reading a bit more about him, I think he is rather a sad guy. He's fast approaching 70, enjoys being in the news, is a policeman wannabe, even has his picture taken in a golf shirt with a sheriff's emblem of some sort ............ He's having a real difficult time facing reality.

My take - I'm sure others will disagree with me and that is your right!

Mr.Big 10-03-2014 03:04 PM

Tell me it ain't so! I come to The Villages every winter for 3 months to get away from the cold weather, and away from the "third world" enviroment where I live. Now, I am reading about stories in The Villages that imply to me that The Villages may have glimpses of the real world!

TNLAKEPANDA 10-03-2014 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ditka41 (Post 947748)
I rode bikes for over 40 years and one of the constant concerns was being rear-ended by a 4-wheeler. Any biker that passes a car and hits his brakes hard is just a total moron. They won't survive long doing that kind of thing here considering the average age and reflex time, in addition to hard-nosed attitude, of many Villagers. When he gets wiped out, it will be improving the gene pool. There are too many good and generous bikers to let this idiot ruin the reputation of bikers in general. Many have had intensive safety training and are very aware that they are vulnerable.

Ditto that!

njbchbum 10-03-2014 03:30 PM

From the Daily Commercial:

Villager arrested in road rage shooting - Daily Commercial: News

Villager arrested in road rage shooting
Millard K. Ives | Staff Writer

A 67-year-old Villages motorcyclist was arrested Thursday after he allegedly blocked in a vehicle with help of a fellow motorcyclist and then fired shots into the car during a road rage incident, according to Lady Lake police.

John Augustine Bibas, whose mugshot show tattoos of a sword with a bloody tip and a skeleton holding an axe, was charged with shooting into or throwing deadly missiles. He was released from the Lake County jail after posting a $10,000.

According to an arrest affidavit, Bibas and another motorcycle were traveling being the car headed east on County Road 466 in Lady Lake. The driver told police that Bibas kept tailgating him while trying to pass.

At some point, the motorcyclist rode on the center divider and cut between the victim’s car and another vehicle and then passed him as the other motorcycle stayed behind.

The report adds that Bibas then suddenly put on his brakes in front of the car, causing it also to stop. Then the other motorcyclist then allegedly pulled up behind the car, which prevented the victim from backing up.

The victim told police he began to honk -- only for Bilas to pull out a gun and shoot the car.

The victim added he was able to turn his wheel hard and drive off and to the Recreation Plantation RV Resort where he called police.

Police said they spotted what appeared to be two bullet holes in the car and officers later found Bilas on Lake Ella Road and arrested him.

graciegirl 10-03-2014 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 947868)
Kinda sad really. When the other half read me the incident in the newspaper this morning I was amazed ............ now on reading a bit more about him, I think he is rather a sad guy. He's fast approaching 70, enjoys being in the news, is a policeman wannabe, even has his picture taken in a golf shirt with a sheriff's emblem of some sort ............ He's having a real difficult time facing reality.

My take - I'm sure others will disagree with me and that is your right!

I have to admit that I don't feel any sympathy for him. He just sounds like a selfish and arrogant criminal.

graciegirl 10-03-2014 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 947890)
From the Daily Commercial:

Villager arrested in road rage shooting - Daily Commercial: News

Villager arrested in road rage shooting
Millard K. Ives | Staff Writer

A 67-year-old Villages motorcyclist was arrested Thursday after he allegedly blocked in a vehicle with help of a fellow motorcyclist and then fired shots into the car during a road rage incident, according to Lady Lake police.

John Augustine Bibas, whose mugshot show tattoos of a sword with a bloody tip and a skeleton holding an axe, was charged with shooting into or throwing deadly missiles. He was released from the Lake County jail after posting a $10,000.

According to an arrest affidavit, Bibas and another motorcycle were traveling being the car headed east on County Road 466 in Lady Lake. The driver told police that Bibas kept tailgating him while trying to pass.

At some point, the motorcyclist rode on the center divider and cut between the victim’s car and another vehicle and then passed him as the other motorcycle stayed behind.

The report adds that Bibas then suddenly put on his brakes in front of the car, causing it also to stop. Then the other motorcyclist then allegedly pulled up behind the car, which prevented the victim from backing up.

The victim told police he began to honk -- only for Bilas to pull out a gun and shoot the car.

The victim added he was able to turn his wheel hard and drive off and to the Recreation Plantation RV Resort where he called police.

Police said they spotted what appeared to be two bullet holes in the car and officers later found Bilas on Lake Ella Road and arrested him.


bump

dbussone 10-03-2014 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 947890)
From the Daily Commercial:



Villager arrested in road rage shooting - Daily Commercial: News



Villager arrested in road rage shooting

Millard K. Ives | Staff Writer



A 67-year-old Villages motorcyclist was arrested Thursday after he allegedly blocked in a vehicle with help of a fellow motorcyclist and then fired shots into the car during a road rage incident, according to Lady Lake police.



John Augustine Bibas, whose mugshot show tattoos of a sword with a bloody tip and a skeleton holding an axe, was charged with shooting into or throwing deadly missiles. He was released from the Lake County jail after posting a $10,000.



According to an arrest affidavit, Bibas and another motorcycle were traveling being the car headed east on County Road 466 in Lady Lake. The driver told police that Bibas kept tailgating him while trying to pass.



At some point, the motorcyclist rode on the center divider and cut between the victim’s car and another vehicle and then passed him as the other motorcycle stayed behind.



The report adds that Bibas then suddenly put on his brakes in front of the car, causing it also to stop. Then the other motorcyclist then allegedly pulled up behind the car, which prevented the victim from backing up.



The victim told police he began to honk -- only for Bilas to pull out a gun and shoot the car.



The victim added he was able to turn his wheel hard and drive off and to the Recreation Plantation RV Resort where he called police.



Police said they spotted what appeared to be two bullet holes in the car and officers later found Bilas on Lake Ella Road and arrested him.


What a sweet couple the 2 motorcyclists make. The guy should not have been released on bond. He has proven himself to be am immediate danger to the community.

I'e ridden bikes with many guys and gals in the past. Thankfully none have risen to the level of idiocy that Mr Bibas displayed.

capecodbob 10-03-2014 04:25 PM

I recently bought a dash camera that runs in a continuous loop when the car is on. If the person in the car had one they would have had video proof of what happened.
This is a popular device in many countries and I'm told some insurance companies give a discount if you have one in your car.
I would suggest that the person that was shot at also consider a civil suit on the shooter.

tippyclubb 10-03-2014 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 947901)
What a sweet couple the 2 motorcyclists make. The guy should not have been released on bond. He has proven himself to be am immediate danger to the community.

I'e ridden bikes with many guys and gals in the past. Thankfully none have risen to the level of idiocy that Mr Bibas displayed.


I agree. Just another incident to tarnish TV, and people here who ride motorcycles. I have been around many motorcycle people, and my husband is a Harley fanatic. We have rode all over the country and not once have we run across a man like this. I hope he goes to jail for a long time.

Madelaine Amee 10-03-2014 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by capecodbob (Post 947916)
I recently bought a dash camera that runs in a continuous loop when the car is on. If the person in the car had one they would have had video proof of what happened.
This is a popular device in many countries and I'm told some insurance companies give a discount if you have one in your car.
I would suggest that the person that was shot at also consider a civil suit on the shooter.

That would be the route I would take after the courts have done with him.

cattywampus 10-03-2014 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by red tail (Post 947721)
macho nut is out on bond and the guy that had some sex in no bond...?? im voting no on all the judges that are up for reelection.

I believe the sex guy had a VOP. (Violation of Probation)

In Florida, there is never an availability to Bond Out when there is VOP.

rubicon 10-03-2014 04:46 PM

Take a step back can you hear the song "The Vil lages ........ As advertised it is made to appear pristine, a shan ri la, utopia for those with the money to buy a ticket. Its the equivalent of stick your chin out daring someone to take their best shot. Its like being the most popular girl in school perfect teeth perfect hair perfect figure everyone fussing over you.............suddenly a blemishes pops and the world attacks.

rp001 10-03-2014 05:49 PM

Make sure that you all read the other news site updates to the comments. There are a group with a totally different side to this story and claims the reporters were totally wrong and misleading. I'd love to really know what happened. Some there are saying the man was actually attacked by the car. Sounds weird all around to me.

perrjojo 10-03-2014 06:27 PM

If a tattooed biker and his friend had me blocked in, I might try to escape too.....Even if it meant running over the person who had me blocked. I would be very fearful for my Saftey.

Stdole 10-03-2014 07:21 PM

Lots of truthful comments in this thread..

Happy Employee.. you got it right except add an (s) to your answer for shot fired.

I fully support the second Amendment and also Right to Carry.. but we just hate this type of person.... his life was not in danger but he in fact put the driver of the vehicle in fear of their life or lives. The Motorcycle to the rear was also a large factor in this case and could also be charged and most likely will.

Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act or we the law abiding carry believers will eventually lose our rights should these type of actions continue.. You know dam well you should not have even think about shooting in this situation... you in fact put your own self in a life situation.

You know dam well your life was not at stake here but the vehicle driver had the right to take yours...you pulled a gun and left him/her no way to escape or drive away..

NoMoSno 10-03-2014 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Stdole (Post 947972)
Lots of truthful comments in this thread..

Happy Employee.. you got it right except add an (s) to your answer for shot fired.

I fully support the second Amendment and also Right to Carry.. but we just hate this type of person.... his life was not in danger but he in fact put the driver of the vehicle in fear of their life or lives. The Motorcycle to the rear was also a large factor in this case and could also be charged and most likely will.

Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act or we the law abiding carry believers will eventually lose our rights should these type of actions continue.. You know dam well you should not have even think about shooting in this situation... you in fact put your own self in a life situation.

You know dam well your life was not at stake here but the vehicle driver had the right to take yours...you pulled a gun and left him/her no way to escape or drive away..

We may never know the facts in this case.
Do we even know he HAD a permit to carry?
Could it be true, what someone said in the online news, that the car driver attempted to back over him?
I won't judge someone based on a small article, until the facts are out.

patfla06 10-03-2014 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 947953)
If a tattooed biker and his friend had me blocked in, I might try to escape too.....Even if it meant running over the person who had me blocked. I would be very fearful for my Saftey.

Absolutely!

Abster 10-03-2014 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rp001 (Post 947945)
Make sure that you all read the other news site updates to the comments. There are a group with a totally different side to this story and claims the reporters were totally wrong and misleading. I'd love to really know what happened. Some there are saying the man was actually attacked by the car. Sounds weird all around to me.

I read the lengthy comment earlier. It certainly describes a totally different scenario. I think everyone should withhold judgment until you know what exactly happened.

rp001 10-04-2014 07:22 AM

Not to worry, the word police "eliminated" the whole discussion from the lady and others. Now the thread really makes no sense. I'm wondering what is being covered up? If the facts are as shown in this thread are accurate, and the second party was blocking the motorists escape, then why weren't charges filed?
Even worse, is the blatant censorship displayed there and elsewhere. Even though I don't agree with the dissenting opinion, that person's opinion or side needs to have a venue in this court of public opinion. It really is unfair to have that kind of power where only one side is expressed and I believe is very dangerous to society as we know it.

graciegirl 10-04-2014 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rp001 (Post 948062)
Not to worry, the word police "eliminated" the whole discussion from the lady and others. Now the thread really makes no sense. I'm wondering what is being covered up? If the facts are as shown in this thread are accurate, and the second party was blocking the motorists escape, then why weren't charges filed?
Even worse, is the blatant censorship displayed there and elsewhere. Even though I don't agree with the dissenting opinion, that person's opinion or side needs to have a venue in this court of public opinion. It really is unfair to have that kind of power where only one side is expressed and I believe is very dangerous to society as we know it.

Boy Howdy. No conspiracy. The jerk fired at motorists.

DougB 10-04-2014 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 947953)
If a tattooed biker and his friend had me blocked in, I might try to escape too.....Even if it meant running over the person who had me blocked. I would be very fearful for my Saftey.

What if it was an untattooed biker and his friend?

rp001 10-04-2014 08:00 AM

Why
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 948064)
Boy Howdy. No conspiracy. The jerk fired at motorists.

Why were the posts removed? I happen to agree with you but if this is a court of public opinion, and it is, both sides need to be heard! No one should remove anything just because you disagree. That is not our justice system. Sorry

graciegirl 10-04-2014 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rp001 (Post 948073)
Why were the posts removed? I happen to agree with you but if this is a court of public opinion, and it is, both sides need to be heard! No one should remove anything just because you disagree. That is not our justice system. Sorry


Look, kiddo. I get posts removed too. I am not a moderator of this forum and never have been no matter what you read on Topix.

A post is removed on this forum because the owners and those appointed by them deemed that the poster went too far.

I have had hundreds of posts removed because I post a lot and sometimes go too far.

After simmering down, I have agreed with their efforts to keep this forum moderated. I think this is a well run forum even if they remove my posts.

And I am an old, very traditional woman who has majority views on almost everything, so a lot of old traditional people agree with me sometimes and sometimes they don't.

I am guessing that this post will be removed and I already agree with it.

collie1228 10-04-2014 09:15 AM

This guy fired a gun at people! Did a prosecuting attorney recommend the $10K bond? I'd like to know who the judge is that set the bond so low.

red tail 10-04-2014 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by collie1228 (Post 948099)
This guy fired a gun at people! Did a prosecuting attorney recommend the $10K bond? I'd like to know who the judge is that set the bond so low.

bible belt justice..... sex is worse than attempted murder

perrjojo 10-04-2014 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 948066)
What if it was an untattooed biker and his friend?

If ANYONE had me stopped and blocked on a roadway, I would feel VERY threatened! Maybe if the biker had Mom tattooed in plan sight I might reconsider:angel:

perrjojo 10-04-2014 09:29 AM

Speaking of removing posts, I noticed that the road rage and sex on the utility box has been removed from "that other news source".

MikeV 10-04-2014 09:30 AM

The driver of the car showed more restraint than I could have. If someone pointed a gun at me I would probably run them over.

dbussone 10-04-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 948074)
Look, kiddo. I get posts removed too. I am not a moderator of this forum and never have been no matter what you read on Topix.

A post is removed on this forum because the owners and those appointed by them deemed that the poster went too far.

I have had hundreds of posts removed because I post a lot and sometimes go too far.

After simmering down, I have agreed with their efforts to keep this forum moderated. I think this is a well run forum even if they remove my posts.

And I am an old, very traditional woman who has majority views on almost everything, so a lot of old traditional people agree with me sometimes and sometimes they don't.

I am guessing that this post will be removed and I already agree with it.

I bet it won't, Gracie.

TheVillageChicken 10-04-2014 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 948109)
Speaking of removing posts, I noticed that the road rage and sex on the utility box has been removed from "that other news source".

.

They are still there, just fell off front page

joldnol 10-04-2014 10:28 AM

If he had fired on me he would have been a speed bump

Sandtrap328 10-04-2014 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeV (Post 948110)
The driver of the car showed more restraint than I could have. If someone pointed a gun at me I would probably run them over.

A lot better response than the poster who said he would engage in a gunfight right on 466.

Bonanza 10-04-2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 947710)
This guy was released after posting $10,000 bond, yet the two having sex are being held without bond in the Sumter County detention center.

Just to really show you how ridiculous our local law system is . . . Mrs. Klemm and her friend from that eventful night, are still in jail for a 6-month stint for her behavior in the Lake Sumpter Landing sexcapade. How stupid is that? And this gun-wielding cowboy is out on bail? What am I not understanding??? Where do these stupid judges come from and what is their justification for the penalties they give -- or don't give??

Bonanza 10-04-2014 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 947752)
one does not need to state the serious-ness it is implied or given via the incident.

And it most certainly is not the way TV looks to America....in other cities with far larger crime blotters than the TV, are they defined by what happened yesterday in the sheriff's department? I think not.

Remember the news folks are looking for revenue and ratings. They want people to believe the world is a terrible place. It is not. It is a wonderful place with most of it's inhabitants doing and living in it right.

It is too bad that our society dwells on, magnifies and elevates the very few that are nothing at all like the rest of us!

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 947759)
You are right. And pretty soon someone is going to try to tell me to feel sorry for these people. I don't.

You are correct, Gracie. I don't feel sorry for them either and I won't.
They are low-life trash.

CFrance 10-04-2014 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 947704)
Motorist says he was coming up behind the motorist and tailgating him several times, then pulled in front of him abruptly and stopped, forcing the motorist to stop. Then the motorist blew a horn at him. There is a picture of him on his facebook page with a woman who he says works at the Harley Davidson dealership. (His girlfriend?) Anyway a "girlfriend" on another motor cycle also was involved in bedeviling this motorist who lives in The Villages. This guy shot out the motorist's back tire and light and then took off, but the cops got him.

Lock him up and leave him locked up.

If only they had enough jail space! This jerk is probably already back out on the road. Hope he gets his license to carry rescinded. Oh wait... Did he even have one?

Skybo 10-04-2014 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 948214)
Just to really show you how ridiculous our local law system is . . . Mrs. Klemm and her friend from that eventful night, are still in jail for a 6-month stint for her behavior in the Lake Sumpter Landing sexcapade. How stupid is that? And this gun-wielding cowboy is out on bail? What am I not understanding??? Where do these stupid judges come from and what is their justification for the penalties they give -- or don't give??

After Ms Klem was arrested for the square incident, she WAS allowed to bond out of jail (as was he). It wasn't until she turned herself back in for Violation of Probation that she was denied bond for that offense (the probation violation). The reason they are both still in jail now is because they took plea deals and agreed to the six month sentences rather than go before a jury where they may have gotten longer sentences. The other two utility box yahoos were denied bond based on their unique history.

None of these cases have anything to do with the road rage incident and it doesn't make any sense to try to compare them. The primary purpose of bond is to ensure that the accused shows back up for trial. The amount of bond is based on various factors unique to that particular case.

gerryann 10-04-2014 01:18 PM

I think the bond and jail time is based more on past record, then on the current event. Don't forget....the square sex lady was on probation from a prior and I believe a stipulation said she was to stay away from the booze.
There's always more to the story than is printed. We don't know the whole story with the gun wielding motorcyclist.

mtdjed 10-04-2014 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 948240)
If only they had enough jail space! This jerk is probably already back out on the road. Hope he gets his license to carry rescinded. Oh wait... Did he even have one?

And he may be a reader of TOTV and your neighbor and reading your comments.

janmcn 10-04-2014 01:39 PM

Mr Michael Dunn, of the loud music case fame, got 30 years for each shot he fired at a moving car even though no one was injured - three shots fired equals 90 years in jail. To top it off, he just received (in a separate trial) a life sentence for first degree murder. So he is serving a life sentence plus 90 years.

The moral of the story is think long and hard before shooting at an occupied car.

Xavier 10-04-2014 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 947664)
In today's Daily Sun. Road rage on 466 which ended in a motorcyclist shooting into a car!

So this is what America's Friendliest Home Town looks like to the rest of the world - the media are going to have a field day with this one - first sex and now road rage. It's been a long hot summer, but this is ridiculous.

I'd have to look up his address to be absolutely positive, but I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that the motorcyclist is the same jerk that I followed through the Calumet Gate a while ago. No sooner was he through the gate and he took a hard left in front of oncoming traffic and gave it full-throttle onto the southbound cart path and took a shortcut into where he lives.

Mr. Macho needs a mental evaluation in my opinion.

Xavier


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