Someone named Amy Greene is championing this jerk and has written long rants on the other online news. She must be his girlfriend.

I have a ccw permit, all those who expose, shooting it out--remember the gunfight you can always win is the one you avoid; otherwise, its 50/50. Be aware of your surroundings & let nuts go their way & also you're not a law enforcement officer--do not try to correct others.

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So far they are allowing hers to stay on there. Different from yesterday. She is extremely defensive and it must be very personal to her. I have yet to hear one word, here or there that shows a need for gunfire. As an earlier poster said, if he was trying to play mr policeman, he would have been a speed bump. Saw an incident live on TV several years ago where a group of protesters tried to stop a car in Miami. The lady ran one over. She then went to the police station. She was followed by the injured protestor. Guess what, they arrested the protestor ( as soon as he got out of the hospital with a broken leg).

ALWAYS check the real Villages news website for crime details. Google The Villages to find their website. Other websites will also show up when there is a crime report of this nature.

If it were me, after I hurried home to change my underwear, I'd head to my lawyers to prepare for the civil suit.

Xavier

And your point is?

Right on!

AAA has great advice about road rage. click here

It may save your life or mine too if there is collateral damage.

Has it been established that the shooter had a license to carry?

Good advice. Thank you.

Thinking about the reason why did a motorcyclist carry a concealed weapon during a ride in one of the safest places in USA. (???)

If you have a CCP you carry as a routine.

On that other site a Ms Green has been posting, and her posts are still disappearing. Her claim, and she writes as if she is very close to the situation, tell a very different story. Her story is that the car driver was angry at the motorcycles. That the shooter was not in front of the car but behind it. That the car driver in anger was backing up as if to run over the cyclist. That the cyclist was off his bike and walking backwards to escape the rear moving car when he tripped and as the car was continuing to move rearward toward him he then used his gun to shoot the rear tires and rear quarter panel to get the car to stop going toward him and leave the scene. She also says there is a witness who stopped at the scene and has or will be giving a statement to the police supporting that version.

While this is a different explanation from that which we have been presented, it leaves unanswered the important question... If the shooter used his weapon to protect his own life from imminent danger, why did he not call 911 and why did he leave the scene?

Scary, isn't it? All the drinking here and carrying weapons??? Is it one of the safest places in the US?

Name a safer place with a great climate, free golf and 1,000 actvities or clubs that are free or nearly free.

Very scary. Especially combined with road rage.

Were there any witnesses?

A gun shot at a tire would not stop a rolling automobile in time.

The exact same news story was printed in The Daily Commercial.

I cannot think of any reasonable scenario for someone to shoot at a car.



Villager arrested in road rage shooting - Daily Commercial: News

The correcThank God for witnesses

Do you really think this is the only place this is happening?

Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act ????? You blame this on all of the good, law abiding people that exercise their God given right to carry a weapon? First of all, we don't even know if this guy had a permit. The gun could have been illegal. Secondly, how often have you heard of this kind of incident or any kind of illegal gun incident occurring involving people with CCPs?

We really have no idea what went on here. There are conflicting reports and I, personally, will wait for all of the information to come out before I post an opinion. But, I will not blame this one the legions of law abiding people, the vast majority of which have no desire to ever shoot anyone, that choose to carry a firearm.

And I will not make posts inferring that this sort of event is commonplace.

I bet all the golf carts will have to have bulletproof glass installed and the residents will need to wear bulletproof vest. The bubble is now a magnet. Soon ISIS & Ebola will headline at the squares. Has anyone added bars to theirs windows yet ?

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Anybody know what he has been charged with .????

In Ms Green's version, Bibas was at the rear of the car (and perhaps prone due to "tripping") and shot the tires / car. In the drivers account, Bibas was in front of the car when he shot.

It would seem that simple, basic forensic evidence could quickly determine which version is truthful.

I don't care if he was hanging over the car from a helicopter and the guy in the car was taunting him with nasty signs, he had NO reason to shoot his gun at them.

First of all I am not supporting either version, as I was not a witness nor participant .... only stating that simple evidence should be able to determine which is factual. Secondly, I did not in anyway condone using a weapon.

but for the sake of argument (as you seem to want to manufacture one with me) Let's just say that ms. Green's version is correct .... in which case the driver was literally attempting to run over Bibis. Would he be justified then? Do you support Fla's "stand your ground" law?

Unfortunately no. It's happening all over. Just hate the drinking and guns combo. Leave the guns out of the bars. If you can't stay sober, leave your gun at home.

Sorry Landlocked. you are always a fair person. I'd have to think that jumping out of the way or moving quickly would have made him safer than firing his gun, but I have never shot a gun or driven a motorcycle but I have nice friends here who do both.

I can't imagine trying to kill anyone with a car or a gun unless they were trying to harm my family. And yes I do support Second Amendment rights to own a firearm.

None of the published articles, as far as I can see, have stated what the charges will be, only that he was arrested when police found him in Lake County. Perhaps future articles will divulge what charges he faces and when and where he will appear to face those charges. As a poster cited previously, this case should not be that difficult to figure out by examining the evidence.

My point exactly. Guns don't belong here. This is a retirement community. Who are you protecting yourself from? The only thing in my opinion that questions the safety of TV is wondering which senior citizen is walking around with a gun and doesn't know what to do with it. There is no reason to fire a weapon here unless your life is in imminent danger. I don't think the motorcycle guys life was in imminent danger. He was just a hotshot who wanted to scare the other guy.

I thought this happened on 466.
I dont remember hearing of any bar-related shootings here in TV....

It is against the law in Florida to carry a gun into a bar. Other business establishments are asking customers to leave their guns outside, such as Panera's, Target, Starbucks. Where do concealed carry license holders leave their guns when shopping in these places or entering a bar?

Maybe at home?

I can't improve on that for a comment, thanks, Miles.
Matter of fact, i am making a keyboard shortcut so I don't have to type it all every time it is appropriate to post.
You're not claiming a copyright are you?

Re-read his post. He was not saying all carry concealed people act like the Harley guy. He was saying the Harley guy-type people are giving carry concealed people a bad name. Kinda like those few dog poop people give the rest of us owners a bad name.

you might want to ask that auto driver if he would consider carrying a gun after being shot at? i never owned a gun but stories like this ae changing my mind. When you consider we are no longer strong enough to defend ourselves with our fists perhaps an equalizer like this is exactly what people of retirement age need


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I don't know you but I seriously do not think you truly believe this. I have seen comments from you over the years, and I do not believe you really think that senior citizens need to be walking around with guns! Tell us you're not serious with your statement.
And regarding the man who was shot.....I DO NOT think he wishes he had a gun on him when he was shot at.

Having a weapon in your vehicle is legal for anyone.
Permits are required to carry it on your person, or to have it immediately accessible in vehicle.
Example: if you unlock glove box to access, that does not require permit by law. If it is on the seat beside you, permit is required.
So it does not matter if this offender has a permit or not--nobody is allowed to pull, brandish or shoot under circumstances described.

The exact quote that I took from his post was, "Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act".

That's pretty clear to me. He's telling conceal carry people to clean up their act before we have our rights taken away. It sounds to me like he's blaming everyone who has a permit to carry.