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Originally Posted by jblum315 (Post 790610)

I used to have day lilies growing in profusion along the edges of my lot in NY and people would just help themselves until I had no blooms left. Never saw anyone doing it. . .

Perhaps they were deer eating your lillies

A lot of speculation about this incident. I'll throw another one out. Maybe these two had the wrong house and they were told to get these to analyze for a problem with the roses. Pests, bugs, fungus etc.

It doesn't seem logical that two younger adult males would be picking roses and putting them into a cooler for themselves or for their significant other for that matter. But I can believe they could accidently gone to the wrong property. Finding a certain property isn't always an easy thing to do in TV---especially if you are not a resident.

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 791147)

Why would you steal FLOWERS from private property? There are flowers everywhere in Florida.

and now the end of the story...

I was teasing our neighbor about his stolen roses. He said he saw the same young man working for one of the lawn companies yesterday. He went to the owner of the company and told him what happened. The rose owner is a kind, generous person and said he would have given him the roses if he had only asked. He thinks the young man's English was limited and just said he like roses. The fact that the man just stood there and didn't leave is what really creeped him out.

When the sheriff came, the officers said we should always call when something strange happens like this because you don't know what the motive is or if drugs are involved.

This morning, the lawn company owner had his truck parked in front of our driveway. I could hear him telling one of the workers that you just don't take roses from people. So perhaps he really didn't know that you don't do that.

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Originally Posted by springfield (Post 790607)

A neighbor told me yesterday that her husband caught a man in their yard cutting roses and putting them in a cooler. When he asked him what he was doing, the guy just said "I like roses. " The neighbor asked him to leave or he would call the police. He just continued to stand there. Their next door neighbor said there were 2 men in their yard looking around. One of them matched the description of the "rose thief." This is just creepy having strangers wandering around in ones yard.

This post illustrates, in my opinion, 2 major problems with our society today:

1) Individuals undertaking bad behavior without regard for the consequences.
Notice he just stood there when confronted and showed up in another yard later. One poster's comment about getting out his firearm did not seem to me to be unwarranted when the person did not leave...he became a threat to the homeowner at that moment and may have had to face the consequences of his action!!!!

2) Many members of society (ie our board here) seem to want to minimize the bad actions of individuals, make excuses for them, and denigrate an honest opinion of how one poster would handle this threat to his property.

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Originally Posted by springfield (Post 791167)

Bless you dear girl for this follow up explanation. It really did seem so strange. I wouldn't want you or anyone to be in danger.

so, all of this hand wringing posts about dementia, thieves, stand your ground, carry or not carry, shoot and ask questions later..............
were all a waste of time.....????

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 790680)

It is not necessary for you to shoot them for you to be in violation of the law. I'm sure as a very well informed gun owner you knew that. I'm sure you also know there are huge differences between wearing a watch and a gun and your seeming to equate them as equally benign is humor?
There is a law against display of a weapon as a means of making a threat.
790.10 Improper exhibition of dangerous weapons or firearms.�If any person having or carrying any dirk, sword, sword cane, firearm, electric weapon or device, or other weapon shall, in the presence of one or more persons, exhibit the same in a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense, the person so offending shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

However, it is possible that people following your advise will instead face aggravated assault without intention to kill as your suggested action contains all the required elements of that felony:
Florida Statutes

784.011 Assault.�

(1) An �assault� is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

784.021 Aggravated assault.�

(1) An �aggravated assault� is an assault:

(a) With a deadly weapon without intent to kill; or
(b) With an intent to commit a felony.

(2) Whoever commits an aggravated assault shall be guilty of a felony of the third degree,

Elements

To prove the crime of Assault, the State must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. Defendant intentionally and unlawfully threatened, either by word or act, to do violence to victim.
2. At the time, defendant appeared to have the ability to carry out the threat.
3. The act of defendant created in the mind of victim a well-founded fear that the violence was about to take place.

Hi blueash: assault or the spoken word depends on interpretations which is usually argued to the umpteenth degeee lawyers. Battery can be the mere laying of a hand or touch on a person.

it is conceivable that a homeowner could simply stand on his property with a weapon tucked in his waistline saying nothing but glaring at trespasser

I do not own a gun .

I agree with Gerryann. Maybe a little compassion instead of anger

It would be a great thing if ALL the companies that come into the villages to do work tell all their workers there are rules and laws here and one is you never take anything from someones property even flowers.

Moving truck in private driveway or Rose Thief in your yard.

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Originally Posted by kaydee (Post 790943)

call the police...it is a violation

Anyone else think this truck was not breaking any laws? As with the rose thief what would you have done if it were your driveway?

If the police and community watch would do NOTHING to stop this I doubt they would stop a rose thief. Both community watch and the SCSO Deputy said the truck was not breaking any laws and it was a civil matter. The truck was repeatedly within 6 inches OR LESS of the garage door on a private driveway but no laws were broken per SCSO.. Neither agency would do a thing to stop this HEAVY truck from repeatedly pulling up into the drive and making more marks on a private driveway and the owners were absent. Then the trucking company tried to deny with the property owner that they had made the marks but the photos proved it, really lucky this heavy truck did not crack the concrete. Truck was trying to back up and turn to back down a cul-de-sac and ended up in a private drive in the process.

You're pretty much on your own...don't expect much from SCSO or Community Watch.

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Originally Posted by boomerbaby (Post 791824)

Isn't that common sense? How are rules and laws any different here in TV?

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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 790654)

Alzeimers or dementia come to mind.....misunderstanding what they are doing...

Maybe he has a loved one at home is dying and that person loves roses!!! We need not jump to conclusions, just saying

That truck IS trespassing and should be held responsible for the damage on that driveway, pictures say it all.

Trespassing or Not

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Originally Posted by boomerbaby (Post 792277)

That truck IS trespassing and should be held responsible for the damage on that driveway, pictures say it all.

If the truck was breaking the law by trespassing why did the SCSO Deputy not stop him from continuing to drive into the driveway over and over and hold him responsible? The deputy left without doing anything at all knowing this damage had been done. No write up, no report, nothing.