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Bill14564 10-18-2023 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2266350)
The idea is not continuous flow. The idea is no traffic light to sit at for several minutes. Instead of sitting at a red light, allowing other cars to cross your path, you YIELD. Whoever is in the round about before you has the right of way.

Sometimes, you can move through seamlessly. But, when a vehicle is in the left lane there is a possibility they will need to cross over your path to exit. You YIELD to them and allow them to do so.

Some/I would say that "no traffic light" and no red light is the same as "continuous flow."

If you yield to traffic already in the circle then the ONLY way the left lane will need to cross your path is if one of you attempts to exit inappropriately: either they turned at the first exit or you continued past the second. Of course you avoid an accident but you also recognize that the yield was only necessary because someone did the wrong thing.

Randall55 10-18-2023 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2266355)
Again, THERE SHOULDN'T BE IF PEOPLE FOLLOW THE RULES. For that to happen, EITHER
a) a driver who doesn't understand entered the RB when a vehicle was coming around in the inner lane, or
b) a driver, even more ignorant, entered with you and was proceeding to the 3rd exit in the outer lane while you were going to the 2nd exit

And btw, is there a substantial difference (not semantic) between NOT sitting at a light for 2 minutes and "continuous flow"???

Some drivers believe they can keep moving without worrying about who is in the roundabout. That is not correct.

If a vehicle is in the inner (left lane) before you enter, that vehicle has the right of way. You wait until it crosses your path before proceeding. You are required to yield.

If done correctly, it only takes a few seconds which would be continuous flow. If done incorrectly, the vehicle in the left lane has to drive around the circle AGAIN to exit. Or, two vehicles slam on their brakes because an entering driver did not YIELD. Which is not continuous flow.

golfing eagles 10-18-2023 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2266363)
Some drivers believe they can keep moving without worrying about who is in the roundabout. That is not always the case.

If a vehicle is in the inner (left lane) before you enter, that vehicle has the right of way. You wait until it crosses your path before proceeding. Which only takes a few seconds.

There are some people who believe you do not yield AT ALL. That is incorrect. A vehicle in a left lane needs to cross over the right lane to exit. If it needs to cross your path, You allow that vehicle to do so.

If done correctly, it only takes a few seconds which would be continuous flow. If done incorrectly, the vehicle in the left lane has to drive around the circle AGAIN to exit. Or, two vehicles slam on their brakes because an entering driver did not YIELD. Which is not continuous flow.

Thanks for the clarification, you now make sense. I was hoping that everyone knows NOT TO ENTER until the RB is clear, so the entering vehicle has to yield and therefore the flow is not continuous. I love semantics. But is is closer to continuous than a 2 minute traffic light

Randall55 10-18-2023 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2266368)
Thanks for the clarification, you now make sense. I was hoping that everyone knows NOT TO ENTER until the RB is clear, so the entering vehicle has to yield and therefore the flow is not continuous. I love semantics. But is is closer to continuous than a 2 minute traffic light

This is why I IMAGINE I am at a red light when I approach a roundabout. You wait until the roundabout is clear, then you proceed.

I have seen far too many drivers approaching round abouts thinking they always have a green light to go. These people scare me and I immediately slow down. We all have been driving for decades. How do some not understand that at an intersection you must stop and yield?

Most traffic intersections have stop signs or red lights forcing a driver to stop. The rules do not change for roundabouts. Before you enter, you YIELD. In a roundabout, similar to a stop sign, it only takes a few seconds.

VApeople 10-18-2023 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2266095)
As I was about to pass a right hand turn and continue on in the round about, a driver next to me in the left lane made a sudden turn in front of me to exit the round about. I had to slam on the brake to avoid getting hit.

If he was already in the roundabout when you entered the roundabout, then you were at fault. When there is a car already in the roundabout near you, you must not enter.

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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2266095)
Seems like a crap shoot.

Yeah, that is right.

I suggest you learn the rules for driving thru roundabouts and always have your hand on the horn. Honk if you think someone is breaking the rules and may endanger you.

Gpsma 10-18-2023 05:01 PM

Im not sure what I like better…another roundabout thread..or a really good dog poop thread

golfing eagles 10-18-2023 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 2266421)
Im not sure what I like better…another roundabout thread..or a really good dog poop thread

Pretty much a tie

cjrjck 10-18-2023 05:31 PM

Multiple lane roundabouts can be challenging. Despite what the armchair lawyers say, often when you enter the roundabout in the left lane destined for the second exit, a car will enter the right lane at the first exit either ignoring you in the other lane or entering just as you are passing and speed up to the point that as you ready to take the second exit in the left lane they are either next to you in the right lane or just behind you so close as to make a right turn dangerous. Do you have the right away? Most likely.

Randall55 10-18-2023 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 2266421)
Im not sure what I like better…another roundabout thread..or a really good dog poop thread

MMPS are great threads too. Walk against traffic or with traffic? Do golf carts have the right of way or do the walkers? Should bicyclists honk to let walkers know they are behind them? Always interesting. And, ALWAYS many posts.

Randall55 10-18-2023 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cjrjck (Post 2266428)
Multiple lane roundabouts can be challenging. Despite what the armchair lawyers say, often when you enter the roundabout in the left lane destined for the second exit, a car will enter the right lane at the first exit either ignoring you in the other lane or entering just as you are passing and speed up to the point that as you ready to take the second exit in the left lane they are either next to you in the right lane or just behind you so close as to make a right turn dangerous. Do you have the right away? Most likely.

I do not see it as arm chair lawyer. If you approach a roundabout and see a vehicle driving in the inside circle, COMMON SENSE dictates that vehicle must cross over the outside lane to exit. There is no other way for him to exit but to cross over your lane. This is when you yield.

You do not get into the roundabout and speed up because you feel waiting those few seconds to allow the car to cross your path is inconvenient. Same with Merge. You slow down to allow cars coming onto the highway to do so quickly and efficiently. You do not speed up when you see a Merge sign. If caught, the policeman will give you a failure to merge ticket. (My nephew has received several. He seems to believe he has the right of way and no one is going to tell him different)

Garywt 10-18-2023 10:52 PM

The right lane driver must get off turn 1 or 2 and the driver in the left lane CANNOT get off on the first turn can get off turn 2, 3 or 4. Everyone must stay in their own lane when leaving.

Randall55 10-18-2023 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2266465)
The right lane driver must get off turn 1 or 2 and the driver in the left lane CANNOT get off on the first turn can get off turn 2, 3 or 4. Everyone must stay in their own lane when leaving.

What you are saying is correct. However, a vehicle trying to enter must wait until the roundabout is clear. IMO, if two vehicles slam on their brakes, it happened because the vehicle entering did not wait until the vehicle in the inner circle made their exit. Exits must be allowed before entering.

rsmurano 10-19-2023 04:29 AM

It’s so easy to navigate a roundabout but there are so many bad drivers here in TV, I’m not surprised by all the accidents. Quite a few people’s replies here will show you they don’t know how to navigate a roundabout, and there is the same sign before each roundabout that shows exactly what each lane can do.
I wish we would have more cops at these roundabouts ticketing or even taking their drivers license away from people that can’t navigate one. I’ve called multiple companies telling them that their driver almost hit me in a roundabout by not following the law.
Me, I don’t care if you have your turn signal on or off, follow the rules. I’ve witnessed multiple people try to use their turn signal in the roundabout so they think they don’t have to follow the rules if their turn signals are on.
Simple rules:
Right lane driver in a roundabout has to exit the roundabout at either the 1st or 2nd exit. Period!
Left lane driver in a roundabout cannot take the 1st exit, can exit the 2nd, 3rd exits or go all the way around.
Also, the person going around the roundabout has the right of way of any cars coming into the roundabout so the car in the roundabout’s left lane can take the 2nd or 3rd exit. All cars entering the roundabout must yield to the car in the roundabout no matter which lane the car is using in the roundabout.

Blackbird45 10-19-2023 04:33 AM

I know this is a negative point of view, but whenever you find yourself next to a car in a roundabout you must assume they are a jerk.
I'm not saying they are, just remember the old Boy Scout moto; "Be prepared".

Spikesheba13 10-19-2023 04:49 AM

If I'm in the left lane and want to turn right I always have my right turn signal on most do not pay attention to your signal

banjobob 10-19-2023 04:56 AM

I always make I am not beside someone in a roundabout, and try to watch my outside mirrors.

golfing eagles 10-19-2023 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikesheba13 (Post 2266481)
If I'm in the left lane and want to turn right I always have my right turn signal on most do not pay attention to your signal

I think part of the misunderstanding of many stems from the term "turn right" from the "left" lane. You are not turning at all, you are not crossing a lane, you are exiting from your own (inner) lane, as you should. Perhaps always using the terms "inner" and "outer" lanes will help educate those who don't know how to navigate a RB.

Santiagogirl 10-19-2023 05:09 AM

I don't mind the constant repeats of this particular thread, as people always seem to be at different points on their learning curve. Important to get in habit of looking at the sign when entering roundabouts, as there are occasionally exceptions to the 'rules' stated above. Example: Exiting (east) onto Paige Place from the El Camino Real/Morse Blvd/Paige Place traffic circle near Spanish Springs, there is only a single exit lane, which is for cars in the right lane. Vehicles traveling in the left lane may only exit onto Morse or El Camino (west). I have nearly been hit on several occasions while properly exiting onto Paige from the right lane by cars trying to exit from the left lane who expect me to yield. This happens particularly during snowbird season. I always stay alert for people making that mistake, and take a deep breath & count to 10 when they honk at me as if it were my error.

bowlingal 10-19-2023 05:13 AM

bsloan....it's a CIRCLE. people need to realize that if they miss their exit, JUST GO AROUND again!!

golfing eagles 10-19-2023 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Santiagogirl (Post 2266487)
I don't mind the constant repeats of this particular thread, as people always seem to be at different points on their learning curve. Important to get in habit of looking at the sign when entering roundabouts, as there are occasionally exceptions to the 'rules' stated above. Example: Exiting (east) onto Paige Place from the El Camino Real/Morse Blvd/Paige Place traffic circle near Spanish Springs, there is only a single exit lane, which is for cars in the right lane. Vehicles traveling in the left lane may only exit onto Morse or El Camino (west). I have nearly been hit on several occasions while properly exiting onto Paige from the right lane by cars trying to exit from the left lane who expect me to yield. This happens particularly during snowbird season. I always stay alert for people making that mistake, and take a deep breath & count to 10 when they honk at me as if it were my error.

Hence the self-preservation rule of never ride side by side in a RB. There are several RBs that have a one lane exit----Morse at Pinellas/Moyer eastbound comes to mind immediately. If you are aware of the issue, like you are at Paige, you stay in the outer lane. But for newbies.........

thevillagernie 10-19-2023 05:20 AM

round a bout
 
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Originally Posted by Davonu (Post 2266097)
1) Yield to approaching vehicles in both lanes of the roundabout;
2) Never drive next to another vehicle in the roundabout.

never, never, get beside anyone in a roundabout.

kendi 10-19-2023 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MrChip72 (Post 2266123)
I always thought the that the rule of thumb is that when you're approaching a roundabout and you plan to exit from the 1st or 3rd (right or left exits) of the roundabout, you should always be in the outside lane well before entering the roundabout.

If you’re taking the 3rd exit you need to be in the inside lane. Inside lane goes straight or left. Outside goes straight or right.

Sandy and Ed 10-19-2023 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MrChip72 (Post 2266123)
I always thought the that the rule of thumb is that when you're approaching a roundabout and you plan to exit from the 1st or 3rd (right or left exits) of the roundabout, you should always be in the outside lane well before entering the roundabout.

Wrong. Check the roundabout signs. Third exit (9 o’clock) must be in inside (left) lane and you (traffic in circle) have right of way to exit the circle (carefully). There should be no one in the circle in the right lane to impede your own exit. Circle has right of way (unless you are in New Jersey : ). Period.

golfing eagles 10-19-2023 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by thevillagernie (Post 2266491)
never, never, get beside anyone in a roundabout.

As opposed to #2 in the post referenced. Interesting. Usually this occurs because someone fails to read previous posts. But I think this is a first---actually quoting the repetitive post. But, since it is good advice, I suppose it bears repeating.

Originally Posted by Davonu:
1) Yield to approaching vehicles in both lanes of the roundabout;
2) Never drive next to another vehicle in the roundabout.

neilbcox 10-19-2023 05:46 AM

Every roundabout has a lane assignment on a big green sign before you enter it. Also the roads are clearly marked on the asphalt as to what each lane can do!

Follow the green sign as to who has the right away. This danger really increases when snowbirds return!

FYI…There are no general roundabout rules…many are different in lane assignments!

Indydealmaker 10-19-2023 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2266095)
We were in a double- 2 lane round about, in the right lane. As I was about to pass a right hand turn and continue on in the round about, a driver next to me in the left lane made a sudden turn in front of me to exit the round about. I had to slam on the brake to avoid getting hit.

This started me thinking- If you are in the left lane of the round about you always run the risk that someone in the right lane will be in your way when it's time for your exit. Just because you have been passing right turns without taking them- someone just entering on the right could be in your way when you take the 3rd exit.

What am I missing? is there a way for someone in the right lane to avoid getting hit by a driver turning in from the left- or is it 100% trusting every driver in the left to not hit you? Seems like a crap shoot.

Thanks

Obviously you need to be on constant lookout for the dummies because he shouldn't have been beside you. He should have been behind. You are not to enter a roundabout until any car to your left already in the circle has passed. It is like a 2 lane zipper. Also, this is much simpler if the speed limit is strictly adhered to.

PhilG 10-19-2023 05:56 AM

As you approach the potential turn, glance at the front right wheel of the guy to your left. Similarly, if wish to tuirn right from the left lane. glance at the front left wheel of the giy in the outside lane.

MidWestIA 10-19-2023 06:20 AM

tourists
 
yes I ONLY go in a round about when I am clear ahead of cars AND we have tons of tourists that are clueless about it ASSUME they will turn at the wrong time but don't be by anybody in there.

PersonOfInterest 10-19-2023 06:25 AM

The Villages' assumption that Retired people who would live in the Villages could figure out how to use a dual lane roundabout was perhaps a poor assumption. I would suggest that those who can't figure it out use 301 or Micro Racetrack Rd instead of going through the roundabouts, but sadly those who can't figure it out don't know that they can't figure it out. One hint pertaining to the OP's post, if you're in the right (outside) lane and you're passing the 2nd exit you've just screwed up. Smart option # 2, take your golf cart.

MikeN 10-19-2023 06:26 AM

Roundabout education
 
It seems not everyone knows how to handle roundabouts. If you’re in a left left that is not the time to be making a right hand turn. TV gives instructions on how to drive a golf cart. Perhaps they should educate people on how to use lanes in a roundabout
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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2266095)
We were in a double- 2 lane round about, in the right lane. As I was about to pass a right hand turn and continue on in the round about, a driver next to me in the left lane made a sudden turn in front of me to exit the round about. I had to slam on the brake to avoid getting hit.

This started me thinking- If you are in the left lane of the round about you always run the risk that someone in the right lane will be in your way when it's time for your exit. Just because you have been passing right turns without taking them- someone just entering on the right could be in your way when you take the 3rd exit.

What am I missing? is there a way for someone in the right lane to avoid getting hit by a driver turning in from the left- or is it 100% trusting every driver in the left to not hit you? Seems like a crap shoot.

Thanks


MandoMan 10-19-2023 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2266095)
We were in a double- 2 lane round about, in the right lane. As I was about to pass a right hand turn and continue on in the round about, a driver next to me in the left lane made a sudden turn in front of me to exit the round about. I had to slam on the brake to avoid getting hit.

This started me thinking- If you are in the left lane of the round about you always run the risk that someone in the right lane will be in your way when it's time for your exit. Just because you have been passing right turns without taking them- someone just entering on the right could be in your way when you take the 3rd exit.

What am I missing? is there a way for someone in the right lane to avoid getting hit by a driver turning in from the left- or is it 100% trusting every driver in the left to not hit you? Seems like a crap shoot.

Thanks

If you are in the right lane but planning to continue around the roundabout and not turn right at once, you are supposed to yield the right of way to people turning right from the left hand lane (I’m assuming turning into two lanes, not one). That’s why there is a solid white line pointing you to the right. If you are in the right lane and there is a car just in front of you in the left lane, always assume that car might be turning right (legally) and be cautious. Similarly, if you are in the left lane wanting to turn right and there is a car in the right lane, be cautious and watch carefully. If I am taking the first right, I enter the roundabout from the right lane. If I am going straight on, I enter the roundabout from the inside lane but that means turning right from the left lane, doesn’t it? I plan ahead and switch lanes before I reach the roundabout. This is fast and easy, but it depends on people not driving with their minds on cruise-control.

Chamo 10-19-2023 06:46 AM

Why do we need 1000 people stating their opinion on a question that has been put on this site 1000 times SMH EVERYBODY NEEDS TO PUT THEIR OPINION IN

Mikee1 10-19-2023 06:47 AM

It is really easy to know
 
This question comes up almost weekly. The easiest way to figure out what to do is...
If you cross the dashed white line you must yield, just like on a highway. Some traffic circles have left lane right of way and some do not. Just look at the dashed white line, if you cross it you must yield. So yes, there are many times when the inside lane traffic has the right of way to the exit.

mrf0151 10-19-2023 06:56 AM

Bottom line for roundabouts, just like the posted signs in TV indicate is that right lane is for going straight or turning right out of the roundabout. The left lane is for going straight or turning left into the roundabout. It is that simple, PERIOD.

nancymiller217@yahoo.com 10-19-2023 06:57 AM

And one more thing….

NEVER CHANGE LANES IN A ROUNDABOUT. *

I have witnessed more than one driver approach a RAB in the right lane and immediately go to the left lane of the RAB, and change back to the right lane and exit—basically going straight through the RAB, like they are the only vehicle there.

Truly special people.

*exception—lane markings force you to. For example, Morse south at Rohan rec, if you are turning left to the rec center, the big yellow lines on the road make you change to the right lane after the 2nd exit. Then you can and should change lanes.

DiandJay 10-19-2023 07:01 AM

Speed check
 
I believe the rules for correct use of round abouts was also provided in our welcome packet. Driving the posted speed helps enormously too. It gives you the ability to react to those who have not read the rules.
We lived in the UK for 10 years. Round a-bouts are very common there. Yet, we were still frustrated by confused drivers at times.

mrf0151 10-19-2023 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MandoMan (Post 2266526)
If you are in the right lane but planning to continue around the roundabout and not turn right at once, you are supposed to yield the right of way to people turning right from the left hand lane (I’m assuming turning into two lanes, not one). That’s why there is a solid white line pointing you to the right. If you are in the right lane and there is a car just in front of you in the left lane, always assume that car might be turning right (legally) and be cautious. Similarly, if you are in the left lane wanting to turn right and there is a car in the right lane, be cautious and watch carefully. If I am taking the first right, I enter the roundabout from the right lane. If I am going straight on, I enter the roundabout from the inside lane but that means turning right from the left lane, doesn’t it? I plan ahead and switch lanes before I reach the roundabout. This is fast and easy, but it depends on people not driving with their minds on cruise-control.

NOPE, Look at the TV sign and learn. https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=136be...NkFDQTlC&ntb=1

golfing eagles 10-19-2023 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeN (Post 2266520)
It seems not everyone knows how to handle roundabouts. If you’re in a left left that is not the time to be making a right hand turn. TV gives instructions on how to drive a golf cart. Perhaps they should educate people on how to use lanes in a roundabout

Yep, that post does prove that not everyone knows how to handle RBs. You are NOT making a right turn from the inner lane, you are exiting a RB in accordance with the rules. There have only been a million posts on how to do this.

srswans 10-19-2023 07:05 AM

Your Fault Then
 
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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2266113)
As I recall we entered the circle at the same time.

If the two of you entered at the same time and you didn’t take the first or second exit, you are at fault - never turn left from right lane.

golfing eagles 10-19-2023 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MandoMan (Post 2266526)
If you are in the right lane but planning to continue around the roundabout and not turn right at once, you are supposed to yield the right of way to people turning right from the left hand lane (I’m assuming turning into two lanes, not one). That’s why there is a solid white line pointing you to the right. If you are in the right lane and there is a car just in front of you in the left lane, always assume that car might be turning right (legally) and be cautious. Similarly, if you are in the left lane wanting to turn right and there is a car in the right lane, be cautious and watch carefully. If I am taking the first right, I enter the roundabout from the right lane. If I am going straight on, I enter the roundabout from the inside lane but that means turning right from the left lane, doesn’t it? I plan ahead and switch lanes before I reach the roundabout. This is fast and easy, but it depends on people not driving with their minds on cruise-control.

No, it DOESN'T. When you enter a RB in the inner lane and are going to the 2nd or 3rd exit---you are doing just that---exiting, in accordance with the rules. You are not "turning right".


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