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retiredguy123 05-13-2022 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 2094703)
They lowered 88 year old Dad's SS this year. Only reason I got from THEM was medicare and his secondary insurance was increased. BS

The Medicare Part B premium increased, but, unless he was affected by IRMA, the Social Security income increase should have more than covered the extra premium. Any secondary insurance premium that he has is not deducted from his SS check unless he has set up an automatic payment to the secondary insurance company. That premium does not go to Medicare. I would contact the secondary insurance company and get a statement of the premium increase. Another possibility is that he was on Medicaid and they were paying his Part B premium, and he lost his eligibility for Medicaid. Just my thoughts.

rustyp 05-13-2022 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 2095064)
This year for my 88 year old Dad.

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2095090)
The Medicare Part B premium increased, but, unless he was affected by IRMA, the Social Security income increase should have more than covered the extra premium. Any secondary insurance premium that he has is not deducted from his SS check unless he has set up an automatic payment to the secondary insurance company. That premium does not go to Medicare. I would contact the secondary insurance company and get a statement of the premium increase. Another possibility is that he was on Medicaid and they were paying his Part B premium, and he lost his eligibility for Medicaid. Just my thoughts.

Another possibility is your Dad tripped an income level point. At 88 Dad had to take a RMD of over 7%. That is reported as income. The first Medicare trip point is $91000 single filer. Over the $91K level the premium goes from $170/mo to $238. More than enough to eat up the 2022 SS raise.

retiredguy123 05-13-2022 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2095094)
Another possibility is your Dad tripped an income level point. At 88 Dad had to take a RMD of over 7%. That is reported as income. The first Medicare trip point is $91000 single filer. Over the $91K level the premium goes from $170/mo to $238. More than enough to eat up the 2022 SS raise.

That would be the IRMAA law.

vintageogauge 05-13-2022 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by keepsake (Post 2094899)
8.6 on s/s -- then medicare will jump 20% -- we lose no matter what

Amen to that and the supplements and prescriptions will go up also, we'll definitely lose.

Stu from NYC 05-13-2022 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Timothyimitchell (Post 2094958)
The whole financial system is one big Ponzi scheme.

The entire system? Seriously?

Investing with a bit of knowledge and not being greedy is how one gets ahead investing in the long run.

Michael G. 05-13-2022 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2095102)
That would be the IRMAA law.

income-related monthly adjustment amount

The income-related monthly adjustment amount (IRMAA) sliding scale is a set of statutory percentage-based tables used to adjust Medicare Part B and Part D prescription drug coverage premiums. The higher the beneficiary's range of modified adjusted gross income (MAGI), the higher the IRMAA.Dec 6, 2021

Michael G. 05-13-2022 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2095143)
The entire system? Seriously?

Investing with a bit of knowledge and not being greedy is how one gets ahead investing in the long run.

Yeah, now go educate the young people about that.

rustyp 05-13-2022 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2095158)
income-related monthly adjustment amount

The income-related monthly adjustment amount (IRMAA) sliding scale is a set of statutory percentage-based tables used to adjust Medicare Part B and Part D prescription drug coverage premiums. The higher the beneficiary's range of modified adjusted gross income (MAGI), the higher the IRMAA.Dec 6, 2021

Isn't google wonderful.

And for the rest of the story:

SSA - POMS: HI 01101.020 - IRMAA Sliding Scale Tables - 12/06/2021.

Stu from NYC 05-13-2022 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2095160)
Yeah, now go educate the young people about that.

Taught our kids and soon will be the grandkids turn. 11 year old already has small business washing cars.

Topspinmo 05-13-2022 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2094596)
Yep, If this happen, S/S we will be seeing the end of S/S in our lifetime.


Only because the stole money over the years and pass it out like candy to people under 62.

Nucky 05-13-2022 06:23 PM

There are many people (not me) who worked for cash their entire life. Maybe part of their life was legit and on the books. Their SS check is not too much, hence their raise is BS and when the extra money for Medicare comes off the top, BINGO. Upsidedown.

I'll bet you it was a thrill getting over and not paying any taxes for most of your life. Sooner or later the score is going to be evened up!

If I had it to do all over again I would say forget being a Manager. I would like to be the one taking orders and without a doubt, I would be a Union member. My kids are cleaning up as Union Members. You wouldn't believe it. $$$$$$$$$$$

Stu from NYC 05-13-2022 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 2095255)
There are many people (not me) who worked for cash their entire life. Maybe part of their life was legit and on the books. Their SS check is not too much, hence their raise is BS and when the extra money for Medicare comes off the top, BINGO. Upsidedown.

I'll bet you it was a thrill getting over and not paying any taxes for most of your life. Sooner or later the score is going to be evened up!

If I had it to do all over again I would say forget being a Manager. I would like to be the one taking orders and without a doubt, I would be a Union member. My kids are cleaning up as Union Members. You wouldn't believe it. $$$$$$$$$$$

Union jobs can pay very well but way to many companies have gone under giving up control to their unions. This includes the company I worked for in my youth.

Rodneysblue 05-13-2022 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2094612)
I don't know what that means, but when you hire 10 people to do what 2 people can do, it's difficult to stay busy. I was criticized many times for being too fast and too efficient and making other employees look bad. Not exaggerating.

Been there , heard the same.

Nucky 05-13-2022 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2095257)
Union jobs can pay very well but way to many companies have gone under giving up control to their unions. This includes the company I worked for in my youth.

I get it. It does happen.

The local that represented the drivers at my company had some kind of accounting malfunction and when the second guy went to retire after approximately 45 years with the company the funds were no where to be found.

I understand that when foul play is the reason that there is a way the government helps out those who got hammered. I got that spaination from one of the drivers so I don’t know that it is a fact.

I’d take my chances still. Union. Can’t believe I have done a complete turn around on my view.

Michael G. 05-13-2022 07:33 PM

My brother was a union man, (I never was in one), but I remember him saying:

"If all companies were honest, we wouldn't need unions."

I wouldn't know that for sure. :shrug:

Timothyimitchell 05-14-2022 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2095143)
The entire system? Seriously?

Investing with a bit of knowledge and not being greedy is how one gets ahead investing in the long run.

Dead serious. And it's about ready to crash and expose itself as just that

Stu from NYC 05-14-2022 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Timothyimitchell (Post 2095324)
Dead serious. And it's about ready to crash and expose itself as just that

Time will tell

biker1 05-14-2022 09:38 AM

Doubtful. First of all, 62 is not the retirement age. It is, however, the earliest you can take benefits at a reduction, a fairly substantial reduction. The full retirement age is between 65 and 67 depending on your age. You are old enough that it is doubtful that your full retirement age, or the age you can start taking reduced benefits, will change. I suspect the full retirement age will be gradually raised for younger people, similar to what was implemented in the last reform in 1983. Other possible reforms could be a change in the COLA calculation, an increase in the SS tax, and an elimination of the earnings ceiling for paying SS tax. Another possibility, which I would deem very unlikely, is means testing.

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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2094916)
Yep, I have been predicting for the last 20 years that by the time I am eligible for retirement the date will be moved. I’m a month from 59 and I still say there is no way 62 will be the retirement age when it’s my turn


Stu from NYC 05-14-2022 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2095361)
Doubtful. First of all, 62 is not the retirement age. It is, however, the earliest you can take benefits at a reduction, a fairly substantial reduction. The full retirement age is between 65 and 67 depending on your age. You are old enough that it is doubtful that your full retirement age, or the age you can start taking reduced benefits, will change. I suspect the full retirement age will be gradually raised for younger people, similar to what was implemented in the last reform in 1983. Other possible reforms could be a change in the COLA calculation, an increase in the SS tax, and an elimination of the earnings ceiling for paying SS tax. Another possibility, which I would deem very unlikely, is means testing.

Another reform which I would favor is raising the age for collecting. We are all living longer and now less people are available to pay into the system. Not to mention there is a shortage of workers.

Michael G. 05-14-2022 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2095403)
Another reform which I would favor is raising the age for collecting. We are all living longer and now less people are available to pay into the system. Not to mention there is a shortage of workers.

Makes sense to me, now go to Washington and tell them for the both of us. :thumbup:

Stu from NYC 05-14-2022 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2095419)
Makes sense to me, now go to Washington and tell them for the both of us. :thumbup:

Unfortunately their are too many vested interests that would never go for this.

thevillages2013 05-14-2022 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2095185)
Taught our kids and soon will be the grandkids turn. 11 year old already has small business washing cars.

I love that! Awesome.:ho:

thevillages2013 05-14-2022 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2095361)
Doubtful. First of all, 62 is not the retirement age. It is, however, the earliest you can take benefits at a reduction, a fairly substantial reduction. The full retirement age is between 65 and 67 depending on your age. You are old enough that it is doubtful that your full retirement age, or the age you can start taking reduced benefits, will change. I suspect the full retirement age will be gradually raised for younger people, similar to what was implemented in the last reform in 1983. Other possible reforms could be a change in the COLA calculation, an increase in the SS tax, and an elimination of the earnings ceiling for paying SS tax. Another possibility, which I would deem very unlikely, is means testing.

The break even point for me when comparing the reduced benefits at 62 compared to full retirement at 67 is at 79 years old. I’m rolling with 62 if things don’t change by then

Stu from NYC 05-14-2022 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2095445)
I love that! Awesome.:ho:

People appreciate money more when they work for it.

Djean1981 05-14-2022 09:52 PM

If we the U.S. can send BILLIONS overseas, we should be able to fund seniors..

Boomer 05-15-2022 12:05 AM

We just finished watching “The Big Conn” on Apple TV.

It is a 4 episode docuseries about an East Kentucky lawyer, Eric Conn, who scammed Social Security out of 550 Million dollars. True story. Awful mess.

Boomer

biker1 05-15-2022 07:06 AM

Regardless of when people, on average, start taking their benefit (age 62-70), SS will pay out the same amount. On average, people die at approximately age 79. The crossover point is 79 for everyone. One possible way to impact this is to take your benefit at age 62 and invest the money. Depending on your return, the crossover point could be pushed out past age 79. This is really a great feature of SS because you can decide, based partly on your health and family longevity, when to start your benefit. Based on family history, I will start at age 70 unless I develop some health issues.

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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2095446)
The break even point for me when comparing the reduced benefits at 62 compared to full retirement at 67 is at 79 years old. I’m rolling with 62 if things don’t change by then


davem4616 05-15-2022 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2094585)
Social Security checks could jump 8.6%, expert predicts.


MSN



When it comes to experts and the government I've learned to not count my chickens until they've hatched

the so called experts aren't always correct....most recent example, Ukraine was going to fall in 3 weeks


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