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graciegirl 08-21-2014 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TVMayor (Post 926475)
I got excited education is a wonderful thing. In my life time I have never spoke out nor have I vote against a tax increase that was for education.

I absolutely agree with you and I have voted for tax increases for our local schools every time. We aren't against children, most of us love children, very much and not just our own, either.

but this is an age segregated community.

Please don't think hate where there is none. AND most of us love dogs too.
Most of us.

TVMayor 08-21-2014 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 926551)
I absolutely agree with you and I have voted for tax increases for our local schools every time. We aren't against children, most of us love children, very much and not just our own, either.

but this is an age segregated community.

Please don't think hate where there is none. AND most of us love dogs too.
Most of us.

My dog was home schooled.

graciegirl 08-21-2014 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TVMayor (Post 926555)
My dog was home schooled.

:a20::a20::a20:

Becky 08-21-2014 05:47 PM

The kids are not going to The Charter School. Charter School does not have busses.

graciegirl 08-21-2014 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 926751)
The kids are not going to The Charter School. Charter School does not have busses.


Children are not allowed to live in The Villages. There are three, non-village, villages, built for workers, with no amenities but they have golf cart access. Children can live there but not in Silver Lake or any of the "regular" villages.

It doesn't matter whether it is Charter or Public school. Children are not allowed to live in The Villages. They may visit for up to 30 days a year.

redwitch 08-21-2014 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 926779)
Children are not allowed to live in The Villages. There are three, non-village, villages, built for workers, with no amenities but they have golf cart access. Children can live there but not in Silver Lake or any of the "regular" villages.

It doesn't matter whether it is Charter or Public school. Children are not allowed to live in The Villages. They may visit for up to 30 days a year.

To date, we don't know they are living in TV. There are many possible scenarios where the kids are being dropped off but don't actually reside here. Considering how easy it is to make an anonymous call, I doubt they are living here on a permanent basis. The other possibility is that the neighbors have decided to not call for whatever reason, regardless of the rules.

So, the choices are: do nothing, directly ask the parent, or become a detective and find out if the kids actually do live here and then take the appropriate action.

CFrance 08-21-2014 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 926793)
To date, we don't know they are living in TV. There are many possible scenarios where the kids are being dropped off but don't actually reside here. Considering how easy it is to make an anonymous call, I doubt they are living here on a permanent basis. The other possibility is that the neighbors have decided to not call for whatever reason, regardless of the rules.

So, the choices are: do nothing, directly ask the parent, or become a detective and find out if the kids actually do live here and then take the appropriate action.

I'm confused. Someone said the parents are dropping some of them off via golf cart. I don't understand the implications of that. They would have to be coming from inside TV if they're coming by golf cart, right?

ganative 08-21-2014 08:07 PM

Based on the op's statement of 5 golf carts and 3 cars waiting for the bus I'm going to assume it's a central bus of sought and their commuting perhaps from one of villages that allows kids perhaps. Not really familiar with the historic side to know how far one of the kid friendly villages are from the bus stops. I just can't imagine 8 families or about are living in silver lake illegally. Just my opinion. ..but I have known to be wrong before.

Martysmom 08-21-2014 08:15 PM

Live and let live. Let someone else worry about it.

buggyone 08-21-2014 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Martysmom (Post 926170)
I have noticed since school started how many kids there are living in Silver Lake! At first I thought it was grandparents babysitting and the bus picking them up but this morning I counted 5 golf carts and 3 cars sitting at the Jeffery Gate entrance waiting for the school bus and 4 of these golf carts were being driven by either the young mothers or the fathers. Do these people live in Silver Lake with these kids and if so, how do they get away with it? I counted 9 kids waiting for the bus and some were in cars and vans...right at the Jeffrey gate entrance.

Just hop on your golf cart and follow the young parents or grandparents home. If you find out it is a family with children who have been living here for more than 30 days, call Deed Restrictions listed in the front of your phone book. You do not need to give your name.

We do not dislike children but the rules are clear AND there are no exceptions to the 30 day limit.

njbchbum 08-21-2014 08:28 PM

As long as you are sleuthing, Martysmom, you could always call the school and find out the residential area serviced by that bus stop; and ask if children from the Villages board the bus there - and any other Villages stop that might be available, too!

Martysmom 08-21-2014 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 926824)
As long as you are sleuthing, Martysmom, you could always call the school and find out the residential area serviced by that bus stop; and ask if children from the Villages board the bus there - and any other Villages stop that might be available, too!

Good idea! I will do that tomorrow!

DougB 08-21-2014 09:18 PM

They could possibly be students in transition (in other words homeless) and the families are staying with the grandparents in The Villages for thirty days. The district would be required to provide bus service.

graciegirl 08-21-2014 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 926848)
They could possibly be students in transition (in other words homeless) and the families are staying with the grandparents in The Villages for thirty days. The district would be required to provide bus service.


Doug, thank you for reminding us of homeless children. When I taught, that was unheard of.

Skybo 08-21-2014 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Martysmom (Post 926814)
I found out today these kids are going to Lady Lake Elementary and not TV Charter school.

I was able to only snap a photo of one this AM. There were 3 other carts to the right but I didn't want them to see me taking a photo. Attachment 44445 Sorry it's sideways...my phone does that sometimes! :confused: If you click on the photo, it comes out right. Go figure!

OK, this is just wrong. You don't know who these folks are or if they are doing anything wrong. Their photo shouldn't be arbitrarily posted on a public website, especially a photo of a child. Send your your concerns onto the appropriate department and let them figure out what is going on.

Harry Gilbert 08-22-2014 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybo (Post 926898)
OK, this is just wrong. You don't know who these folks are or if they are doing anything wrong. Their photo shouldn't be arbitrarily posted on a public website, especially a photo of a child. Send your your concerns onto the appropriate department and let them figure out what is going on.

Not to mention the possibility of a nice conversation with the county prosecuter about the legality of stalking these people.

If you have a concern call the authorities.

Martysmom 08-22-2014 05:57 AM

Illegally stalking? Oh c'mon...I drive out that gate every morning and there they all are! How is that stalking??

nitehawk 08-22-2014 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 926880)
Doug, thank you for reminding us of homeless children. When I taught, that was unheard of.

Maybe you never heard of them -- but there has always been homeless chrildren

Moderator 08-22-2014 06:53 AM

The topic is school kids being picked up near Silver Lake and whether they reside in The Villages.

Please stay on topic and do not direct replies at other members.

Moderator

Challenger 08-22-2014 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Martysmom (Post 926917)
Illegally stalking? Oh c'mon...I drive out that gate every morning and there they all are! How is that stalking??

This thread is showing more and more paranoia. Kids standing on a corner waiting for a school bus. "They must be hiding in The Villages" Hmmmmmm

Martysmom 08-22-2014 07:06 AM

I asked a simple question because I'm new and didn't understand the rules of TV yet. I'm sorry I even asked. Good grief, what a strange turn this took!

dbanks50 08-22-2014 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Martysmom (Post 926937)
I asked a simple question because I'm new and didn't understand the rules of TV yet. I'm sorry I even asked. Good grief, what a strange turn this took!

I'm glad you posted, and I hope you pursue this. I have a place in Silver Lake but I'm not there full time. I do not wish to have full time children in the neighborhood. It's not good for them either. No one to play with and possibly having to stay indoors to not draw attention.

dirtbanker 08-22-2014 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Martysmom (Post 926937)
I asked a simple question because I'm new and didn't understand the rules of TV yet. I'm sorry I even asked. Good grief, what a strange turn this took!

Does this mean you are not going to call the school and get an answer that would end the suspense?

Don't let them run you off, they are a fickle bunch on here!

graciegirl 08-22-2014 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Martysmom (Post 926937)
I asked a simple question because I'm new and didn't understand the rules of TV yet. I'm sorry I even asked. Good grief, what a strange turn this took!

Children under the age of 19 are not allowed to live here. You have a right to think and say whatever you want to. This is The Villages. We are all grown up.

redwitch 08-22-2014 08:28 AM

A few years ago, I had a boy staying at my home until his father could find a place to live. He stayed for six weeks. Yes, I know, over the legal limits but the neighbors were very well aware of his being there and knew it was truly temporary, emergency situation. I took him to Target every morning in my golf cart and then walked to the school with him every day. Ditto after school. As soon as his father could, he took his son. On occasion after that (probably about five times), the boy would spend the night and I'd take him to school (usually when his dad had to get to work extremely early or work late).

The schools don't care if the address is inside or outside of TV, just that it is within their jurisdiction and by that bus stop. So, I'm sure some of the kids at that stop are perfectly legal and probably live somewhere near Griffen Road. The kids on golf carts may or may not be legal. Depends on whether they are actually living in TV (could just be a morning drop off with grands picking kids up after school and then watching them at the kids' homes until the father gets home -- know of a couple instances of this occurring) and, if so, for how long.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. If staying too long, odds are a neighbor will report them.

kstew43 08-22-2014 08:34 AM

anybody ever think that maybe the grandparents babysit the children after school while the parents work. then the parents come by the grandparents home after work to retrieve the kids.

parents just maybe use that bus stop to make it eaiser for the grandparents and because of that must drive the kids themselves to the bus stop in the morning.

If you want to play detective, watch and see who picks up the kids at the bus stop in the afternoon.

Martysmom 08-22-2014 08:51 AM

I'm not pursing this because it's ruffling too many feathers. If someone else wants to, that's ok.

RedChariot 08-22-2014 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Martysmom (Post 926978)
I'm not pursing this because it's ruffling too many feathers. If someone else wants to, that's ok.

You have a right to ask and pursue the information. If this subject is not brought into the light it could become more pervasive. Don't let the bullies on this board influence you.
If a business does not know of a problem, how can they correct it? Bring this issue into the forefront to the proper authorities. Good luck and I for one would hope you would let us know the outcome.

Bogie Shooter 08-22-2014 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 926984)
You have a right to ask and pursue the information. If this subject is not brought into the light it could become more pervasive. Don't let the bullies on this board influence you.
If a business does not know of a problem, how can they correct it? Bring this issue into the forefront to the proper authorities. Good luck and I for one would hope you would let us know the outcome.

Good suggestion.......................better than taking photos and posting on the Internet.

Martysmom 08-22-2014 09:32 AM

I took the photo down. I see what everyone means by bullies now...

nitehawk 08-22-2014 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Martysmom (Post 926978)
I'm not pursing this because it's ruffling too many feathers. If someone else wants to, that's ok.

Rest assured -----nobody will ---- most people ( not the people on totv :laugh: ) just give advise - weather they know what they are talking about or not --even if you found out why-- some people still will not believe it---- try the kool-aid--- there is never anything bad happening in tv- just read the daily sun --I just love tv - the golf courses - the squares -- the clubs -- the entertainment --etc and i will never move --- just had my kool-aid

Martysmom 08-22-2014 09:39 AM

I want to thank all those who were kind and thoughtful and had suggestions and answers. (Thanks Gracie!) I just find the bullies comments are outweighing the nice comments. The last batch from Bogie Shooter has done it for me. His comments were rude and unnecessary.

Thanks to TOTV for being helpful and informative. I think I'll go elsewhere for information. This forum isn't what I expected.

graciegirl 08-22-2014 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by nitehawk (Post 926999)
Rest assured -----nobody will ---- most people ( not the people on totv :laugh: ) just give advise - weather they know what they are talking about or not --even if you found out why-- some people still will not believe it---- try the kool-aid--- there is never anything bad happening in tv- just read the daily sun --I just love tv - the golf courses - the squares -- the clubs -- the entertainment --etc and i will never move --- just had my kool-aid


I cannot figure this out. I never know when some posters are kidding.

Some people have been positive all of their lives. They try to find the good in stuff. It is easy to do here. And also to get really, really mad. We are all humans and we have things we believe in. Not everyone who lives here is nice, but most have lived long enough to be, well, reasonable.

I like grape. Lotta ice.

buggyone 08-22-2014 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 926989)
I was able to only snap a photo of one this AM. There were 3 other carts to the right but I didn't want them to see me taking a photo. Attachment 44445 Sorry it's sideways...my phone does that sometimes! If you click on the photo, it comes out right. Go figure!
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This is so very, very wrong. You need to get a new hobby or do some volunteer work.

No, I do not think taking a picture of a deed restriction potential violator is wrong. It is the same as if someone posted a picture of an overgrown lawn at a vacant house or a junk car in a driveway or (if I was south of 466) the flock of pink flamingos in my front yard. Glad I live north of 466!

dbanks50 08-22-2014 09:49 AM

Well, I called Community Standards. They can't do anything without an address. Regardless of the circumstance, it's worth investigation. If it's appropriate, that's fine. If it's not, it should be addressed. I'm not in TV right now, so I can do no more. And, yes, I live in Silver Lake so it does matter to me.

Bogie Shooter 08-22-2014 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Martysmom (Post 927001)
I want to thank all those who were kind and thoughtful and had suggestions and answers. (Thanks Gracie!) I just find the bullies comments are outweighing the nice comments. The last batch from Bogie Shooter has done it for me. His comments were rude and unnecessary.

Thanks to TOTV for being helpful and informative. I think I'll go elsewhere for information. This forum isn't what I expected.

Since you directed this post at me I will respond.
You brought up a good question in your OP. It is wrong if there are children living in the villages for more than 30 days. Thats not my idea its in the deed restrictions we all signed.
If you really wanted answers to your question a simple call to the Community Standards office with your concern, and they would have followed-up.
However, taking secret photos of children at a bus stop (like a Paparazzi), in my opinion was going too far.
You call this bulling. You stated your opinion and your actions. I expressed my opinion as well........that's not bulling.

Villageswimmer 08-22-2014 10:01 AM

Perhaps it's about the tone and, yes, arrogance that comes through--intended or not. Maybe we're all guilty of it from time to time.

Indydealmaker 08-22-2014 10:35 AM

Almost on topic
 
With regard to children visiting residents in The Villages, I have never seen a clarification of the "30 days" restriction. Is the 30 days per year an aggregate number or 30 days per child?

skip0358 08-22-2014 11:06 AM

There is a thirty day rule about Children under 19 living here. There have been emergency cases where it has been allowed BUT you must get permission from the powers to be. Children can be dropped off by there parents at the grandparents house before and after school so Mom and or Dad can go to work. I doubt they're living here full time as someone would complain. As for taking picture of a child at a bus stop be very careful you could wind up in trouble with the law. The bus over there would be going to THE Villages Elementary School on Rolling Acres Road. This is NOT part of The Villages Charter System and it does get bus transportation from that area.

John_W 08-22-2014 11:17 AM

I remember playing golf with a fellow about a year ago that was moving out of TV to Parkwood, which is a community off CR 101 north of the CVS. I asked why were you moving, you didn't like it here? He said, his 20something year old daughter was living with them and had just given birth to a baby. In order for her and the baby to continue living with them they would have to move.


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