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Stu from NYC 06-15-2023 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Spectreron (Post 2226726)
Outstanding! Now you can put 300 miles of charge in a Tesla for $4.44 instead of $8.

Given that my Camry gets about 40mpg would save about $ 25 everytime I go 300 miles if I owned a Tesla.

At 10,000 miles per year do not think I could live that long to break even.

Jdburns11 06-15-2023 01:54 PM

Also interesting implications for solar customers (like me!) - obviously could benefit during the peak daylight hours - I wonder how they’ll adjust the exported KWs during all of the time periods involved. Right now it’s about $0.09 per KW . I also agree with others in that there seems to have been no mention of this significant change thus far - and do they have the technology in place to support such as change.

askcarl 06-15-2023 03:30 PM

Bend Over and Smile....

Southwest737 06-15-2023 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2226747)
Given that my Camry gets about 40mpg would save about $ 25 everytime I go 300 miles if I owned a Tesla.

At 10,000 miles per year do not think I could live that long to break even.

Tesla owners drive an EV not just because they are 3 times more efficient than antiquated ICE vehicles. We drive an EV because they are more fun. Modern, quiet, clean, smooth. Auto drive feature is sweet as is one pedal driving (it brakes and stops itself). But the best feature is the instant torque when pressing down the right foot. None of that lag associated with combustion, turbochargers, or downshifting. Sheer acceleration. Then the downer is when I have to drive my Chevy Colorado with its 3.6 liter V6. What a dog compared to the Tesla.

oneclickplus 06-16-2023 06:05 AM

battery storage
 
Seems like an incentive to put in a battery storage system. Store all the power you can in batteries from midnight to 6:00am. Draw upon that power during the heat of the day.


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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2226415)
SECO services most of TV as the electric utility. They have plans to switch all customers from a .11 first 1,000 kWh, .13 above 1,000 kWh: to a three tier time of day pricing plan.

Super off peak (SOP) .06 per kWh
Off peak (OP) .09
Peak (P). .23

April-Oct
12-6am SOP
6-2pm OP
2-6pm P
6-12pm OP

Nov-Mar
12-6am SOP
6-9am P
9-12pm OP

The SECO rep that I spoke to didn't know when this will be put in place. But the rates have been established so it's clearly not too distant.


crash 06-16-2023 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2226415)
SECO services most of TV as the electric utility. They have plans to switch all customers from a .11 first 1,000 kWh, .13 above 1,000 kWh: to a three tier time of day pricing plan.

Super off peak (SOP) .06 per kWh
Off peak (OP) .09
Peak (P). .23

April-Oct
12-6am SOP
6-2pm OP
2-6pm P
6-12pm OP

Nov-Mar
12-6am SOP
6-9am P
9-12pm OP

The SECO rep that I spoke to didn't know when this will be put in place. But the rates have been established so it's clearly not too distant.

If those times are correct very little of my electricity will be in peak hours and I should get a cut in my electric bill.

In California they had a tier system and very little of your electricity would occur in the low tier I believe it was 95 kWh at 0.12 up to 0.39 for over a 1000 with 5 tiers.

jrref 06-16-2023 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2226442)
Interesting since I do not believe the current meters or metering system would be able to support REAL TIME metering. To do what is being "reported" requires one way (possibly two way) communication to the utility, or meters with accurate TOD clocks and the ability to store all of this information for a monthly reading.
The other item to consider is if Duke and Florida Power actually have similar rates in place for SECO to buy power at the proposed levels to support the proposed rates. If have not seen any announcements from either of these utilities, or associated news article about the very significant changes to rates, ALL of which require approval from Florida government.
Just my humble opinion.

Right! Currently our meters can't report usage based on time of day.

msilagy 06-16-2023 06:18 AM

ComEd I Illinois has a sign up for notification of peak hours on very hot days. By reducing your electrical outlay during that time you earn $ if less than the year before. It happens maybe 2-3 times in the summer. I always earn $ that go against my next bill! Electricity is more expensive in my Florida home for sure. I pay less in Illinois.

bobnyce 06-16-2023 11:34 AM

Electric useage
 
My wife and I switched to a heatpump wster heater last October. It has saved us from 200 to 300 kwh per month. Bought it at Lowes -A O Smith. Had it installed bt Dunstan Plumbing. Cost about $2,400. Best decision ever. Never used electric elements to supplement at all.

Bilyclub 06-16-2023 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by msilagy (Post 2226915)
ComEd I Illinois has a sign up for notification of peak hours on very hot days. By reducing your electrical outlay during that time you earn $ if less than the year before. It happens maybe 2-3 times in the summer. I always earn $ that go against my next bill! Electricity is more expensive in my Florida home for sure. I pay less in Illinois.

You pay more for practically everything else up there.

Stu from NYC 06-16-2023 03:21 PM

We got our electric bill with news letter last night and while it mentions special pricing for electric cars no mention of time of day billing

Marsha11 06-16-2023 04:20 PM

I dont know why this is being done. I'm concerned with the hatred of utilities by government. Each and every large utility has brown outs for sure. The government won't build anything at all. Then the go broke so then they must raise prices. There is nothing to help the utility at all but govt.

Bogie Shooter 06-16-2023 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsha11 (Post 2227109)
I dont know why this is being done. I'm concerned with the hatred of utilities by government. Each and every large utility has brown outs for sure. The government won't build anything at all. Then the go broke so then they must raise prices. There is nothing to help the utility at all but govt.

Did you proofread this?

Keefelane66 06-17-2023 05:21 AM

We went true a smart meter conversion in Naples Florida Area with LCEC a cooperative similar to SECO.. TWACS Technology
This system will require the Cooperative to replace the existing electric meter with a new TWACS (Two-Way Automatic Communication System) digital meter. This project is designed to not only benefit customer-owners with convenience and cost attributes but to also increase the efficiency and safety of the Cooperative's employee team.
This technology will enable the Cooperative to have reliable two-way communication between our offices and your meter. The TWACS system uses existing power lines to transmit data to and from the home office. Eliminating the need for most meter readers.

vinricci 06-17-2023 05:58 AM

Received this email from SECO yesterday:
SECO has learned that there was an erroneous blog post claiming that we are mandating all members opt-in to a time-of-use rate and that is simply not true. I’m sorry for the misinformation.

We do have a TOU rate that you may be interested in since you charge your vehicle at night. Remember though, if you use your HVAC to cool/heat your home during peak hours the price per kWh is almost 23 cents. With summer temperatures, this may not be the time to make the switch.

Keefelane66 06-17-2023 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by vinricci (Post 2227183)
Received this email from SECO yesterday:
SECO has learned that there was an erroneous blog post claiming that we are mandating all members opt-in to a time-of-use rate and that is simply not true. I’m sorry for the misinformation.

We do have a TOU rate that you may be interested in since you charge your vehicle at night. Remember though, if you use your HVAC to cool/heat your home during peak hours the price per kWh is almost 23 cents. With summer temperatures, this may not be the time to make the switch.

I called SECO office Thursday and received the same info.

Toymeister 06-20-2023 09:55 AM

Received the following email from SECO to this question:

Is SECO intending to replace dumb meters with smart (AMI) meters in three to four years as announced by SECO's CEO at the 2022 annual meeting?

Answer: Thank you for your email. Regarding your inquiry, we are in the process of working on changing out the meters to AMI meters. It will take some time to get them all changed out, so I do not have a timeframe as to when your area will be changed out.



Bottom Line SECO will transition to smart meters as I have stated. And their public relations and communication in general are extremely poor

Bill14564 06-20-2023 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2228213)
Received the following email from SECO to this question:

Is SECO intending to replace dumb meters with smart (AMI) meters in three to four years as announced by SECO's CEO at the 2022 annual meeting?

Answer: Thank you for your email. Regarding your inquiry, we are in the process of working on changing out the meters to AMI meters. It will take some time to get them all changed out, so I do not have a timeframe as to when your area will be changed out.



Bottom Line SECO will transition to smart meters as I have stated. And their public relations and communication in general are extremely poor

This was in place in MD at least five years ago if not 10 years ago. I was surprised to learn it wasn't already in place in Florida.

If I remember correctly (it's been a while), time-of-use metering saved me money on Maryland with no changes to my normal usage. That was when I was out of the house working all day - we'll have to see what happens now that I'm retired.

Keefelane66 06-20-2023 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2228213)
Received the following email from SECO to this question:

Is SECO intending to replace dumb meters with smart (AMI) meters in three to four years as announced by SECO's CEO at the 2022 annual meeting?

Answer: Thank you for your email. Regarding your inquiry, we are in the process of working on changing out the meters to AMI meters. It will take some time to get them all changed out, so I do not have a timeframe as to when your area will be changed out.



Bottom Line SECO will transition to smart meters as I have stated. And their public relations and communication in general are extremely poor

AMI meters transmit data of usage eliminating the need for meter readers. It will not require all to go to time of day metering unless you elect this billing option.
As a side not our daughter has just installed solar on their home in Ct AMI meters installed on cloudy day with showers panels are making 30kwh during daylight on full sun days panels are producing 55kwh. Power consumption average is 20kwh for home per 24 hr day according to meter they are not on time of day metering.

Spartan86 06-28-2023 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vinricci (Post 2227183)
Received this email from SECO yesterday:
SECO has learned that there was an erroneous blog post claiming that we are mandating all members opt-in to a time-of-use rate and that is simply not true. I’m sorry for the misinformation.

We do have a TOU rate that you may be interested in since you charge your vehicle at night. Remember though, if you use your HVAC to cool/heat your home during peak hours the price per kWh is almost 23 cents. With summer temperatures, this may not be the time to make the switch.

Perhaps obvious but….you either stay on flat rate or go to variable, to include $.23/kw peak? Thanks.

Bill14564 06-28-2023 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan86 (Post 2230312)
Perhaps obvious but….you either stay on flat rate or go to variable, to include $.23/kw peak? Thanks.

Typically, yes. You either have the standard meter or they replace that with a time-of-use meter. One or the other, all-in on whatever choice you make.

When one of the electric companies in MD switched over they offered customers the choice. For one or two years you could voluntarily sign up for time-of-use billing. Later, they decided everyone would go to time-of-use metering and they changed everyone's meter. Who knows what SECO will choose to do but it sounds like it is a few years out anyway.

Spartan86 06-28-2023 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2230314)
Typically, yes. You either have the standard meter or they replace that with a time-of-use meter. One or the other, all-in on whatever choice you make.

When one of the electric companies in MD switched over they offered customers the choice. For one or two years you could voluntarily sign up for time-of-use billing. Later, they decided everyone would go to time-of-use metering and they changed everyone's meter. Who knows what SECO will choose to do but it sounds like it is a few years out anyway.

Thanks

RPDaly 06-28-2023 08:09 PM

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Pairadocs 06-28-2023 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 2226464)
Which brand did you get?

Ours is by Honeywell. They make quite a few, some, like ours, you can even program in the humidity you prefer, others just program for heat/cool temp, for each day of the week, so for those who work or are gone most of the day, the can program to just keep moderate cool/humidity, and then automatically cool a bit lower at the time you expect to return. Or, conversely, if you prefer it not as cool at night or when sleeping, you can program that in also. For us, we actually did find it lowered the bill, but part of that was, of course, replacing the old less efficient unit also ! I doubted the claims about efficiency, doubted actual savings, but the combination of a solid state programmable thermostat, and a new AC unit, did make an observable bottom line difference !

Pairadocs 06-28-2023 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RPDaly (Post 2230334)
Yes - to implement time-of-use billing you need a "smart" meter installed first that can transmit (typically via RF) stamped data to determine the cost based on the established tier pricing. Changing all meters over to this type will require a fair amount of time and cost to SECO. Although more than half of all residential customers in the United States already use this type of electrical meter so SECO is behind when it comes to this technology.

As a member owned rural co-op, quite different from a for profit corporation/utility (because this area was all ag at one time), I am surprised this was not mentioned at all at the last membership and election meeting, unless it was VERY quickly proposed the one time during the meeting I did leave to go to ....the restroom for a few minutes ! They usually do a great job of taking member input and discussion. Just surprised it was not even brought up by any members ?


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