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toeser 06-26-2020 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1791630)
I think that TV is safe now. But I am waiting until more things reopen before we plan a Lifestyle Visit there.

In the meantime, I will stay in my nearly 4000 sqft home on close to 2 acres in an outer gulf coast suburb. A few days ago, I spent the entire day trimming shrubs, weeding and hauling big cans of yard debris around. Today I have 5 bathrooms to clean and sanitize.

When we retire, I want less maintenance and more fun activities. The idea of spending our days working out, going golfing and swimming, shopping and dining on the squares, going to classes and listening/dancing to live entertainment sounds like a lot of fun.

We are patiently awaiting things to reopen in TV so that we can check it all out. We know that good things take time and eventually things will get back to normal.

Do you own the house or does the house own you? I was finally able to talk my wife into dumping our larger home and downsizing to just the space we needed. It's a better way to live.

huange@verizon.net 06-26-2020 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill32 (Post 1791685)
A lot of sarcasm on this thread....;)

Yeah, the OP should’ve just asked their village friends by email/phone/text instead.

Gulfcoast 06-26-2020 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by toeser (Post 1792206)
Do you own the house or does the house own you? I was finally able to talk my wife into dumping our larger home and downsizing to just the space we needed. It's a better way to live.

We love our house and it's been a great place to raise our family. But now that our kids are getting older and we're looking at having an empty nest soon, it is time for us to start thinking about what the next phase of our life will be.

Downsizing and moving to an easy maintenance home in TV with access to lots of fun activities sounds really nice!

BlackhawksFan 06-26-2020 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Clarinet (Post 1791408)
We are pretty long-term Villagers with a home in a fairly safe northern state. We are conflicted about whether we would feel safer staying here (with limited activities) or returning to The Villages in the Fall. We've made this trip 17 times and miss the activities and friends there but are concerned about whether we would be making a mistake in returning this October. We would appreciate some advice from people either way. Thank you.

If you're concerned just wait it out. You went this long and look your safe. Florida cases are exploding and a co-workers niece is a radiologist in Leesburg and told her the other day there were about 20 new cases between Leesburg and the Villages earlier this week.

For the most part the Villages are still restricted capacity in places and there's no Square entertainment and from what I've read here even though the movies are open the attendance has been low.

If I were up north I'd stay and just wait it out.

Good luck in whatever you decide.

TandHSTAR@AOL.com 06-26-2020 07:39 AM

Actually people not going to the pool etc means we are all cautious. Hopefully that applirs no mstter where you live. The are no guarantees that other parts of this country do not have the same problem. We only hear about our state because this is where we reside. I for one am cautious and encourage others to do the same. I have started my water aerobics class. We have a limit of 40 and that is working out well.

ctmurray 06-26-2020 07:52 AM

I would say don't come back this fall. Florida does not have a mask order, and the governor wants to re-open ASAP. So they will not have the virus under any type of control by the fall. Even though it is suggested to use a mask, many do not, again for political reasons. So restaurants with servers not wearing a mask is common. Basically to stay safe you have to just stay in your house. With golf you can socially distance but many other activities that is not possible. Wait until there is a vaccine.

Dana1963 06-26-2020 07:56 AM

Safer than Sorry
 
I’m staying away for a while until Florida works everything out. Although we should be relatively safe villages picked up 12 cases in last 2 days. Some of the infected claimed they had contact with covid patient. Yesterday the found was not specific. Play safe
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Originally Posted by Clarinet (Post 1791408)
We are pretty long-term Villagers with a home in a fairly safe northern state. We are conflicted about whether we would feel safer staying here (with limited activities) or returning to The Villages in the Fall. We've made this trip 17 times and miss the activities and friends there but are concerned about whether we would be making a mistake in returning this October. We would appreciate some advice from people either way. Thank you.


Jazzman 06-26-2020 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kahiland (Post 1792187)
Stay there as long as you can. Florida's numbers are going up and most people in TV do not seem too concerned. Makes me nervous.

The “numbers” are increasing worldwide and those now seeing the highest rates of infections and hospitalizations are in the 18 to 35 year range. Unfortunately you won’t find this info in any page one story in the Daily Sun. This age group were absent from the initial phase where the overwhelming majority of cases and deaths were senior citizens and particularly the elderly. This is a result of those now being identified as infected or asymptomatic being out and about in groups. You can issue all the mandates you want but you can’t stop groups from being together in someone’s home attending a party etc.

Whether many want to believe it or not, more testing results in identification of more people being infected. What to look at is the hospital admittance rate and death rate based on age basis.

Carlsondm 06-26-2020 08:10 AM

It depends on your risk level. It is June 26 and Florida is peaking. Many northern states peaked already and are guarding a resurgence. I would stay north until FL cases and deaths are on the decline for a week or two. Many activities are outside here, so watch contact but consider coming down to stay active. Bring hand sanitizer and masks. Still hard to get here.
I just moved here from Michigan and will be returning there for a while to see the self home schooled grand kids after my 14 day quarantine. Parents are all nurses/ drs or prison workers, so the grandkids have had limited contact w adults. I expect a seasonal virus return In the fall most everywhere and it usually is more deadly than this one. Check to see if you have some immunity perhaps, and come on down to enjoy the sunshine and modified activities. It is certainly better than being stuck in your home for 3-4 months.

I am guessing that the northern states will support careful vaccine production/distribution more aggressively than southern states. May want to get vaccinated there. Good luck & health, and kudos for requesting input.

lindaelane 06-26-2020 08:21 AM

If you make this trip by plane, I recommend getting the ticket now so that you can change plans if there is a new spike and you need to.

I think it is safe here as long as recommended precautions (masks, social distance) are followed. While cases in Florida are increasing, they are among a younger demographic - average age mid-30s - , and some but not all of the increase in numbers is attributable to more testing.

Deaths have not increased anywhere, including Florida, even though cases here and elsewhere have increased for weeks.

I see plenty of people in the pools. Current talk is that there will be club meetings in person, though we will need to wear masks, of course. I go to restaurants and see plenty of people dining-in. Servers wear masks and patrons are socially distanced. Golf goes on as it has.

For me the bottom line is that people fall into two camps. This is contagious, there is not a vaccine, we can't close down forever. This means a good percent of people will get the virus. The two camps:

(Camp A): I am at risk of death or serious health complications so I will isolate myself for as long as it takes.

(Camp B) I cannot stay isolated forever, the shut-down was for purposes of keeping hospitals from being overwhelmed, they are not overwhelmed, and I am going to go out even if I could get sick.

Hopefully Camp B folks wear masks and keep distant. I'm Camp B - I can't stay in my home for months or years, so I use caution but go out. If I was Camp A, I would not come - too many chances to catch the virus on the road. If you are Camp A you are going out as little as possible, so I do not see how you would enjoy coming here.

Your northern state will be "open" by October (unless we have a second wave, in which case all bets are off) so its likely your northern state will be having an increase at the time you want to come here. We always knew openings would cause increased cases, but we knew we could not close forever without eventually doing more harm to people that the virus itself.

So flexibility is key - get a ticket that can be rescheduled or don't have irrevocable plans to drive. Be ready to make a final decision closer to the day.

In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention *esti*mated in May that the coronavirus kills about 0.26 percent of the people it infects, about 1 in 400 people. This is an average - older people and people with underlying conditions won't do as well, but it is not fatal to most people healthy enough to travel, such as yourselves.

One thing that is a little different here is people who are not wearing masks - It is not a majority, but I think there are far too many. That difference is likely to persist since, sadly, it seems to be political and there are political differences, on average, between The Villages and northern states.

It was much better at Publix last time I went, though I am not sure the improvement is permanent. I can hope. You could check closer to the day to see how we are doing with masks if this is a big factor in your decision.

davidkath 06-26-2020 08:21 AM

Stay there.
 
Stay there

Gulfcoast 06-26-2020 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by lindaelane (Post 1792310)
If you make this trip by plane, I recommend getting the ticket now so that you can change plans if there is a new spike and you need to.

I think it is safe here as long as recommended precautions (masks, social distance) are followed. While cases in Florida are increasing, they are among a younger demographic - average age mid-30s - , and some but not all of the increase in numbers is attributable to more testing.

Deaths have not increased anywhere, including Florida, even though cases here and elsewhere have increased for weeks.

I see plenty of people in the pools. Current talk is that there will be club meetings in person, though we will need to wear masks, of course. I go to restaurants and see plenty of people dining-in. Servers wear masks and patrons are socially distanced. Golf goes on as it has.

For me the bottom line is that people fall into two camps. This is contagious, there is not a vaccine, we can't close down forever. This means a good percent of people will get the virus. The two camps:

(Camp A): I am at risk of death or serious health complications so I will isolate myself for as long as it takes.

(Camp B) I cannot stay isolated forever, the shut-down was for purposes of keeping hospitals from being overwhelmed, they are not overwhelmed, and I am going to go out even if I could get sick.

Hopefully Camp B folks wear masks and keep distant. I'm Camp B - I can't stay in my home for months or years, so I use caution but go out. If I was Camp A, I would not come - too many chances to catch the virus on the road. If you are Camp A you are going out as little as possible, so I do not see how you would enjoy coming here.

Your northern state will be "open" by October (unless we have a second wave, in which case all bets are off) so its likely your northern state will be having an increase at the time you want to come here. We always knew openings would cause increased cases, but we knew we could not close forever without eventually doing more harm to people that the virus itself.

So flexibility is key - get a ticket that can be rescheduled or don't have irrevocable plans to drive. Be ready to make a final decision closer to the day.

In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention *esti*mated in May that the coronavirus kills about 0.26 percent of the people it infects, about 1 in 400 people. This is an average - older people and people with underlying conditions won't do as well, but it is not fatal to most people healthy enough to travel, such as yourselves.

One thing that is a little different here is people who are not wearing masks - It is not a majority, but I think there are far too many. That difference is likely to persist since, sadly, it seems to be political and there are political differences, on average, between The Villages and northern states.

It was much better at Publix last time I went, though I am not sure the improvement is permanent. I can hope. You could check closer to the day to see how we are doing with masks if this is a big factor in your decision.

I am probably more of a loose camp B and I may even be more of a camp C. I feel as though contracting the virus is pretty much inevitable for me. The horses are out of the barn, the dust masks that people are wearing are not going to prevent the spread to susceptible people unfortunately. The virus is tiny and preventing the spread would require medical grade masks which most of us do not have access to.

I have a parent in an Independent living facility and they are taking very prudent precautions. Everyone wears a mask. There are strict social distancing rules. They have meals served in their apartments. If a resident even gets tested for the viruses, the facility basically goes on a lock down with residents confined to their apartments. If I was in group A and wanted to greatly minimize my risk of exposure to this virus, I would live where she is living. No question.

Active adults, living in single family homes in an active adult community with lots of shared group amenities are simply going to experience a higher level of risk unless they can stay inside of their homes until a safe and effective vaccine is developed.

The best thing that people can do is if they are symptomatic - stay home. Do not put on a mask and head out to Publix - stay home. The risk of asymptomatic transmission appears to be, thankfully, very low. It's the symptomatic, sneezing, coughing folks (masks or no masks) who are spreading this virus around.

jimjamuser 06-26-2020 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Clarinet (Post 1791408)
We are pretty long-term Villagers with a home in a fairly safe northern state. We are conflicted about whether we would feel safer staying here (with limited activities) or returning to The Villages in the Fall. We've made this trip 17 times and miss the activities and friends there but are concerned about whether we would be making a mistake in returning this October. We would appreciate some advice from people either way. Thank you.

All the TV networks have nationwide maps showing Fl in RED. If your state is orange or lower--STAY there. It is 100 degrees here so you can hardly do anything outside. Activities here are WAY down. Fl is like Texas on the cusp of big-time increasing CV and crowded hospitals. What's your hurry? Take a trip to Alaska if you have to entertain yourself by travel. Good luck.

jimjamuser 06-26-2020 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by toeser (Post 1792206)
Do you own the house or does the house own you? I was finally able to talk my wife into dumping our larger home and downsizing to just the space we needed. It's a better way to live.

The Villages has a lot to offer. I have a problem here in the summer-itis 100deg today. And the heat index is greater. So, my advice is to spend the winter in TV and the summer in Alaska, Canada, or Scandinavia. Happy trails to you!

rmd2 06-26-2020 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1791630)
I think that TV is safe now. But I am waiting until more things reopen before we plan a Lifestyle Visit there.

In the meantime, I will stay in my nearly 4000 sqft home on close to 2 acres in an outer gulf coast suburb. A few days ago, I spent the entire day trimming shrubs, weeding and hauling big cans of yard debris around. Today I have 5 bathrooms to clean and sanitize.

When we retire, I want less maintenance and more fun activities. The idea of spending our days working out, going golfing and swimming, shopping and dining on the squares, going to classes and listening/dancing to live entertainment sounds like a lot of fun.

We are patiently awaiting things to reopen in TV so that we can check it all out. We know that good things take time and eventually things will get back to normal.

For now, forget about the squares, there is no live entertainment anywhere. Dancing, going to classes, and normal rec center activities are severely restricted or non-existent. Even shopping is dicey. You cannot use the dressing rooms to try on clothing and the hours in many of the stores are more restricted. The number of cases continues to go up so it may be better where you are right now.

jimjamuser 06-26-2020 10:15 AM

The Villages has a nice video they can send to you. And reading this TOTV will give you some flavor for the place. There is, also a forum on Facebook for TV.

rmd2 06-26-2020 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TandHSTAR@AOL.com (Post 1792261)
Actually people not going to the pool etc means we are all cautious. Hopefully that applirs no mstter where you live. The are no guarantees that other parts of this country do not have the same problem. We only hear about our state because this is where we reside. I for one am cautious and encourage others to do the same. I have started my water aerobics class. We have a limit of 40 and that is working out well.

If you have 40 people in a non-sports pool I would be very concerned about the spread of COVID. I'm not even sure it would be a good idea in a sports pool.

Gulfcoast 06-26-2020 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rmd2 (Post 1792379)
For now, forget about the squares, there is no live entertainment anywhere. Dancing, going to classes, and normal rec center activities are severely restricted or non-existent. Even shopping is dicey. You cannot use the dressing rooms to try on clothing and the hours in many of the stores are more restricted. The number of cases continues to go up so it may be better where you are right now.

Yes, I think we'll wait until the crisis has passed and things are more back to normal. I live in Florida now and, for the most part, things have been opening back up. You still can't try on clothes in the dressing rooms but you can go bowling, eat at a restaurant, have drinks at a bar, spend the day at the beach, go to the gym and get a haircut now. I got my 6 month dental cleaning which was nice, too.

There is an uptick in cases but many of those cases appear to be in the younger age groups and most of those people are not getting very sick from it which is a blessing.

Considering how many people are out and about I think we're going to be o.k. If things were going to get bad they would already be really, really bad. I think that the fresh air, sunshine and Florida citrus are helping to keep us healthier than other parts of the country. TV will bounce back from this - I am sure of it.

Chatbrat 06-26-2020 10:56 AM

Don't go anywhere, especially if you're over 65 and your BMI is over 30--do you need a better reason to lose weight

Carl99 06-26-2020 11:06 AM

As far as the virus is concerned, The Villages is a safe place to be .

Rosebud1949 06-26-2020 12:32 PM

In 3 counties combined ( Marion Lake and Sumter) for 3+ months we had less than 1000 positives and around 30+ deaths. Considering the rest of Florida that was so good. Since they "opened things up" who knows. WE cant get TRUE figures... With travel from hot spot States, and other visitors, it will bad in the fall and winter. If you value your life stay safe, and stay home.. Too many here will NOT wear a mask or social distance. NO MASK MEANS YOU DONT CARE, about family, friends or even yourself.

And BTW, if you rent then cancel with the Villages they WILL keep your money.. regardless of the US & global situation on travel.

Snorkl46 06-26-2020 12:40 PM

Don't plan on coming anytime soon but keep checking. Today Texas and Florida reversed themselves and are now banning alcohol sales in bars because of the huge uptick in positive cases. Many here do not wear masks because it's restricting their freedom to contract or spread the virus. It may come under control once again.

Barborv 06-26-2020 04:19 PM

After being basically couped up at home for the past three months, We are driving down from NY next week. We will try not to stay in a hotel, but will have my own sheets, etc, just in case. But I will tell you that I will not be doing anything that has me to close to other people, and I absolutely will not go out to public areas without a face mask. Of course in my golf cart, no need for a mask I guess. I just plan to do some things in my house, bike ride, take rides in the golf cart, go to the pool, if not crowded, etc. Watch out for this NY gal, because if someone walks past me in an indoor place, not wearing a mask, the Brooklyn will come out!! HAHA

Stu from NYC 06-26-2020 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Barborv (Post 1792599)
After being basically couped up at home for the past three months, We are driving down from NY next week. We will try not to stay in a hotel, but will have my own sheets, etc, just in case. But I will tell you that I will not be doing anything that has me to close to other people, and I absolutely will not go out to public areas without a face mask. Of course in my golf cart, no need for a mask I guess. I just plan to do some things in my house, bike ride, take rides in the golf cart, go to the pool, if not crowded, etc. Watch out for this NY gal, because if someone walks past me in an indoor place, not wearing a mask, the Brooklyn will come out!! HAHA

stay safe scary out there

Rsauer3473 06-26-2020 06:50 PM

Snowbirds deserve our thanks!
 
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Originally Posted by hlsboro (Post 1791426)
It will be extremely dangerous here so please stay away. This also goes for all the snowbirds planning a return this fall. It is very sad every time i go to the pool and i'm the only one there. SAD SAD SAD. This goes for restaurants and stores as well, not to mention the awful times i can drive around without bumper to bumper traffic. So to anwser your ? I would highly recommended staying put.

As fairly new homeowners in The Villages, we enjoy our time there though we were happy to return to Oregon after our extended stay this Winter and Spring.
You know, we snowbirds pay property taxes on our homes, amenity fees, and other fees for garbage and water even when we are not there. So as we see it, we are subsidizing the full timers in The Villages. And we don’t mind.
A simple thanks would be enough.

Brynnie 06-26-2020 07:25 PM

Don’t
 
There’s a reason why certain eastern and northern states are quarantining travelers coming from Florida. The virus is bad here and getting worse. It’s appalling to see the number of people walking around without masks. If I were you, I’d plan to stay put. I wish I were up there right now. I won’t be surprised if The Villages has to close much of what it has opened too soon. Getting the virus is a high price to pay for “ having fun.”


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Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 1791843)
By October, the weather up north is getting colder plus it will be flu season. Get the heck out and come back down. You're safer here.


Villages Kahuna 06-26-2020 08:00 PM

If you have a house here and really like it, come on down. Not necessarily safe to do any “normal” activities except maybe golf.

A friend ventured out to dinner at Cane Garden last week, at an outside table. They observed ‘back to normal’ activities at the bar. Two deep, loud, agitated....terrific for COVID spread. As you ride around town, you see similar ignorance of the CDC guidelines.

If you feel really safe up north, stay there.

By the way, bring groceries. If you come to Florida you’re expected to quarantine for fourteen days.

CoachKandSportsguy 06-27-2020 04:56 AM

You might want to think about risk in more than one way: first the risk that you get sick. That risk is difficult to quantify. Your movements, your interactions, your health profile, etc, The second risk is that if you get sick, will there be enough hospital capacity to treat you effectively? That is the secondary risk which actually is more easily quantified, and may be more relevant.

Personally, the risk here is a bit more elevated that in other states due to culture, but you can catch the virus in either place. Your outcome may depend more on the availability and quality of healthcare than of getting the virus. However, there are no future guarantees and statistics are not a guarantee, just a historical measurement with never enough details, to any future outcome so being conservative will always be your best option.

sportsguy

VApeople 06-27-2020 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rsauer3473 (Post 1792658)
You know, we snowbirds pay property taxes on our homes, amenity fees, and other fees for garbage and water even when we are not there. So as we see it, we are subsidizing the full timers in The Villages. And we don’t mind.
A simple thanks would be enough.

You won't get a 'Thanks' from me.

You are enjoying your way of life and we are definitely enjoying ours. We all make decisions that are best for us. There is no need for any of us to thank the other for simply enjoying their life as they choose.

nn0wheremann 06-27-2020 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarinet (Post 1791408)
We are pretty long-term Villagers with a home in a fairly safe northern state. We are conflicted about whether we would feel safer staying here (with limited activities) or returning to The Villages in the Fall. We've made this trip 17 times and miss the activities and friends there but are concerned about whether we would be making a mistake in returning this October. We would appreciate some advice from people either way. Thank you.

Fewer than 5 cases diagnosed in the Marion County part of ZIP code 32162.

Mendy 06-27-2020 03:16 PM

Over 100 cases in The Villages now
 
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Originally Posted by Clarinet (Post 1791408)
We are pretty long-term Villagers with a home in a fairly safe northern state. We are conflicted about whether we would feel safer staying here (with limited activities) or returning to The Villages in the Fall. We've made this trip 17 times and miss the activities and friends there but are concerned about whether we would be making a mistake in returning this October. We would appreciate some advice from people either way. Thank you.

Latest Updates:
Friday June 26, 2020

Today, Florida reported another record for daily new coronavirus cases, with more than 8,900 new cases.

Florida Smashes Coronavirus Case Record: Nearly 9,000 Positive Cases on Thursday (NPR)

It was a rough week in The Villages too, which now has more than 100 cases.

Seven more Villagers test positive for COVID-19 (**************)

As you might expect, with numbers rising like they are, the brakes are being pumped on our “re-opening”, starting with bars.

All alcohol consumption at Florida bars suspended effective immediately (WESH)

Some businesses that have been open, are now shutting back down, either as a precaution, or as a result of their employees or customers contracting the virus.

Village Dental shut down due to COVID-19 (**************)

Testing will be available this week at the New Covenant United Methodist Church in The Villages from Monday, June 29th through Thursday, July 2nd from 9:00 AM to 12:00 PM.

Registration is required and you can do that here: Events List Page | Florida Department of Health in Sumter

NavyVet 06-28-2020 01:55 PM

Another factor to consider: traveling is especially difficult. My younger brother is an over the road trucker (all over Eastern states.)
He could not stay home - essential worker delivering food and goods to businesses, etc. For the past 4 months, clocking 60-80 work hours a week. He said it has been extremely high stress. Truck stops and motels not open, can't get a shower, can't eat anywhere except for takeout or eating food brought from home in truck. Makes long traveling days even longer.
I wouldn't even consider getting on an airplane these days.
If you are in a relatively safe area, I would stay put. Many people in Florida ignoring consequences and we have yet to reach peak numbers. The threat is a long way from over.

GoodLife 06-28-2020 02:26 PM

We have a small but non violent group of Grantifa activists here but so far no riots or statue toppling.

New cases are surging but they are mostly younger median age 35. Its safe here as long as you stay away from people. Hospitals are not overwhelmed as most younger cases rarely need them.

Stu from NYC 06-28-2020 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1793945)
We have a small but non violent group of Grantifa activists here but so far no riots or statue toppling.

New cases are surging but they are mostly younger median age 35. Its safe here as long as you stay away from people. Hospitals are not overwhelmed as most younger cases rarely need them.

Grantifa?? Do you mean antifa?

GoodLife 06-28-2020 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1793978)
Grantifa?? Do you mean antifa?

Nope, it's a new word for older ones. Grandma, grandpa, Grantifa :icon_wink:

Nucky 06-28-2020 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1792135)
We don't yet know if this uptick in cases is a true second wave or just a statistical blip on the radar. However, based on the last several days of posts on TOTV, it looks like the second wave of paranoia has already begun.

Direct us in all things Consigliere! I've known you for 5 years and you never Steered Us (MOO) wrong yet! I've been waiting for your post and holding on for which direction to go. Blip? Wave? New Cases? Or My Favorite Paranoia! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: I have held the course and not changed since day one. Mask On, Distancing, Washing the Hands, No Touch Da Face! Good so far.

When you decide which way I should change to can you PM me thanks a lot!

I just got a PM that says you may have been wrong about one thing. Not my business but it had something to do with a couple of Lobsters! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: :bigbow: :mademyday:

tophcfa 06-28-2020 08:20 PM

It is as safe as one makes it. Take risks and it is not, take appropriate precautions and it is safe. It all depends on personal responsibility.

CoachKandSportsguy 06-28-2020 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by golfing eagles
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We don't yet know if this uptick in cases is a true second wave or just a statistical blip on the radar. However, based on the last several days of posts on TOTV, it looks like the second wave of paranoia has already begun.
Disagree with this statement. FL never had a first wave like the northeast due to the seasonal activity differences. With the virus spread primarily indoors, in the northeast, Feb/Mar/Apr were relatively cold monthly, and people were aggregating indoors and spread the virus. At that time, in FL, activities were mostly outside with little spread. Now in the north, there is little indoor activities and mostly outdoor activities, where the spread is reduced. Down here, people are now migrating indoors for air conditioning, as its very hot outside, which promotes spread of the virus. Hat tip Coachk for picking up on that subtle point by Desantis this afternoon.

So, that is why the South has not been as infected as the North over the same time period, but the behaviors are reversing and the South is spreading due to more indoor activities to escape the heat. So this surge is effectively the south's first wave, which makes the south luckier in that the more deadly virus which kills its host and has a shorter life span, has a faster diminishing R0, and not as prevalent and the less deadly or milder is the current most persistent virus.

However, Friday, Fauci also said that this type of virus with such large variation of outcomes, has never been seen before in infectious disease studies. So don't assume that there are any guarantees of simple or safe outcomes just because the average age of infections is trending towards the average age of the population, the only assumption is better treatments for most serious shorter hospital stays. Apparent mild cases are still ending up dead at home.

And these statements are not paranoia, just data points and analysis from individual outcomes, and medical observations and analysis, as reported in a hospital setting by Coachk, who reviews individual deaths many times a week for statutory reporting. And CoachK listens in every morning on senior staff conference calls at the medical center, discussing all aspects of the hospital current daily status and updates.

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