They are going to have to build golf cart rest stops, with snacks.:clap2:

And the price of Villages maps are gonna go waaaaaaay up.

I wonder if one of the most successful families in the nation , will take the advice of a bunch of grumpy old fools.

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Not verified but I heard they are going to have building lots down here ranging from 1 to 5 acres. That will be a different village for sure. I do realize they have the few 7 acre parcels up north but this would be a lot different as it is pre-planned. Lots of interesting stuff going on down here that has not been done elsewhere in TV.

What do I think? I think, based on what I have read, that there are those who believe that everything south of 466 is 'villages 2'. Funny how many of the concerns are exactly the same.

Gracie, dear, now that's funny. But isn't TV just like a bed of roses?

It often amazes me how much some people can resist change and progress. It’s true change is not always good but it is inevitable. Every place I have ever lived has grown and changed. When I was first born in the Dallas/Fort Worth area there were about 500,000 people. Today there are over 7,000,000.people. If you are not growing, you are stagnant. I like things the way they “were” but I NEVER want to stagnate. When we first looked here there were only 8,000 people...no Home Depot, Lowe’s, Bed Bath and Beyond, etc. there was no Sumter Landing. Should they have stopped building then? Who are we to say that progress must stop?

News article July 2020 -CartTram Planned from Disney to Fenney (The Center of the Villages).

Well, I haven't done this in a while, but I guess it's time for me to chime in again.:loco:

It's late and I don't remember exactly where the saying came from, but this seems to be "Much ado about nothing."

I, for one, love it that Harold Schwartz had the foresight and the family has carried it on for decades. I challenge anyone here to come up with a winner such as The Villages and then walk away and say, "OK, have at it, ya'll". Ain't gonna happen. Why should it?

Everyone came here because they wanted to come. We all came here for something other than what we already had. I know there are those who will get their 'knickers in a knot" when told that if they don't like it here, they can leave. What part of that statement is not true? That is not telling someone that they have to do so, anymore than telling them that they had to move here in the first place. I know for a fact, we didn't have a gun to our heads telling us what we were going to do.

As for the idea of turning it over to the residents, I will vote a resounding "NO". Why? Because it would cease to be well run and would go downhill faster than a snowball headed for hell. For crying out loud, there are too many already that cannot agree on anything simple, much less something as big as this place. It would be constant bickering, it would show, and everyone would suffer the consequences. Does it suit everyone now? Of course not. We are, after all, individuals. But, there are always those around who think they can build a better mousetrap. Most, if not all of us, did not come here to build mousetraps.

With this being primarily a retirement community, how many of us have generations left to worry about how big it is getting, anyway? I just feel that we should all be grateful for what we have instead of complaining about what we don't have or what someone else does have. Not only does the Morse family continue to grow their business and their profits (after all, isn't that what business is supposed to do), but we continue to reap the benefits while they put out the big bucks. Thank goodness, they are not the tightwads that some people here are.

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That'snot going to happen. They will have a bridge or tunnels and cart paths connecting those southern most villages to Brownwood.

They would never have started that project if they didn't know for sure that they would be able to do it. These people are not idiots.

Exactly. My guess is that Fenny and the other southern villages were planned before Brownwood was developed. It always seemed odd to me that they would build a town square at the very edge of The Villages. Now it makes sense. Brownwood will eventually be centrally located.

Don't be ridiculous. There will be a monorail that we can put our golf carts on.

Absolutely not acceptable as an idea. I lived in Calumet before, and I had a long drive to get to southern activities (i.e. I'm an avid billiards player and love that the billiards community comes from all over the villages.). Many of the activities are not necessarily adjacent to where your home is. This is part of why we move to the Villages!!!! Don't worry, it won't be a 'burden' to you just because Fenney is developing. I live in Fenney and love it. I'll be mainly going to Brownwood and Sumter Landing squares when I want to social opportunities they provide. The Villages developed BRILLIANTLY to ensure new Villages are fairly self-contained, yet have the wonderful sports and social offerings of the larger population!

I can recall in the days shortly after Lake Sumter Landing was announced, some folks questioning why the developer would put a town center at the southern most part of TV.

All one has to do is review the developers past track record of methodology. Very consistent and methodical. Never reveal any more future plans than absolutely required to do the job at hand. Keeps all options open for unknown better opportunities. They have had and still have a formula and track record of success. No matter what generation, they will not change that.

There will always be a new cadre of folks from else where who do not know TV back ground hence erroneous speculation/rumors.

Agree..............but a few choose not to and stir the pot. :blahblahblah:

Now that's funny!!!

We closed on our house in Fenney this week. Can't wait to see what the adventures we will have!

I have never done this before but as I read your post I was looking for the "Like" button so I could like it. What a great post and I totally agree. Welcome to the Villages, you are just as much one as anyone else (probably more than the OP is).
Ed

It seems like no matter what Villages live in here, it is the best village. It’s because all the neighbors are friendly and you bond with your neighbors; so welcome to the Villages and have a great life. Soon there are clubs and village socials, golfing buddies, luncheon groups. I have never lived anywhere the people were so helpful. Don’t believe all that stuff you hear, people are here to have fun and help each other. I think I live in the best village in The Villages as well. And the best neighborhood. You will love it here. Fenney is very pretty and somewhat isolated for now, but soon you will be able to get to the rest of the Villages. Just enjoy and don’t listen to the critics.

That's because everyone is happy down here. It is truly amazing how many people have moved down from other villages to take advantage of this environment. 3 of the 7 homeowners on our street did just that and we have met many more who did the same. The only thing we need down here right now is rain, everything else will come as "The New Kids" have planned it, just takes time.

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I will wager that those new communities south of 44 have more amenities there than the current Villages have when it is all said and done. It will probably be the other way around with a lot of Villagers north of 44 "crowding out" those south of 44. BTW, everyone pays fees, the amenities are for all Villagers, they are not yours or mine.

I do agree that that retail is inadequate but that is inadequate everywhere once you get south of 466. I would love to see 44 or 466A have type of retail and medical we have on 441, it would eliminate a lot of vehicles travelling through the north end where I live to get to 441.

Everything is relative.
Inadequate retail is nothing more than a current snap shot. Has nothing to do with what is yet to come.

I go back to my earlier post.
Inadequate retail?
How about what was not here retail wise as TV began to move across 466 (not 466 A).
No shopping center where Target is....no shopping center where Kohls is....no home depot....
nothing in or around Rolling acres.
No Lake Sumter Landing....and on and on.
Well the same thing that happened as the development moved not so slowly southward.
The population hit a critical mass level that was of interest to many national chains.
As the saying goes build it and they will come. Well once TV crossed 466 the population began to soar.

Does anybody remember when Publix at Colony Plaza opened. It was the place to go because there was nobody there.
Fast forward to crossing 466 A...the population continues to soar...the new retail continues to fill in....

For all of you that were not here during this evolution.....rest assured as south of 44 fills in the retail will come....and other businesses/restaurants/big boxes/and stuff like Shooters World will continue to come.

All the arm waving about Fenney this or that.....will be a laugh in 5 more years!!

As was stated by an earlier post.....sound advice.....TV is ours....NOT this is mine and that is yours!!

I surely hope the retail and medical facilities we have on the 441 run will be duplicated in the southern end of The Villages. Traffic will become unbearable if all of The Villages have to venture to 441 for retail stores and medical facilities.

I live just south of 466 in Mallory and it is very close for me to get to 441 and all the stores. I can not imagine living in Fenney and having to travel to 441 as often as I go there.

Gracie.....thanks so much for posting the flash mob video. Just beautiful!

separate fennny???
 

Think of what the residents along Micro Racetrack and Rolling Acres Roads have to put up with now because of the lack of retail in the southlands.
It’s only gonna get worse.


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In politics there are pro-life and pro-choice factions. So too in this discussion. Many subscribers on TOTV are pro-developer while the majority of subscribers on the OTHER PUBLICATION are pro-choice

TV no longer resembles its original concept. The Developer was suppose to develop and then move out of the way.

But the developer continued to build manipulated ways so that residents never get to vote.

The developer maneuvered to ensure that all 5 county commissioners (Sumter One) remained under his watchful eye

An amendment has been advance to eliminate the age 55+ restriction.

Saving cost by waiting for FEMA to pick up Irma debris. The result a lot of aggravation and a reason the rat population exploded. Just ask your pest control guy

We have a three rate water fee schedule plus base rates
claimed to conserve water but a population exploding because the developer continues onward. Apparently conservation means one thing for residents and another for the developer and realtors . Now that's hypocrisy.

The infrastructure cannot withstand this rapid growth.

people are being packed in like sardines. I don't believe sardines view their life as being lived in paradise

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I drive 40 minutes to get to a shopping mall up north. 20 to 40 minutes to get to a grocery. Why are so many are upset that driving 10minutes to get to everything is just going to ruin life here. Retail will come to the southern area.
I would say it’s a generation thing, but my parents shop online as much a we do. When we first came here LSL was just built, not many stores. 10 years later I can say If it wasn’t for Starbucks I would not shop in most stores in the squares, after all you can only store so many clothes, cooking stuff, and knickknacks.
I am trying to get rid of stuff and rarely see something I need or want.

You need to actually look into this over 55 change you keep bringing up because you’re completely wrong. Pick up a phone, you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

And again on the infrastructure argument, you have yet to explain why you think all of a sudden, they will just only build houses this time and not add golf, retail, restaurants, and upgrade roads. WHEN HAS THIS HAPPENED SO FAR? Why would they mess with a system that’s made them millions. You just keep repeating this as if it’s fact.

You are correct, a lot of people fall on the extremes here when it come to the developers. I try to stay informed, talk with government officials, go right to the source. I really, really hope people don’t rely on the comment section of the online news to get their information.

And when it’s found out that all the outrage was over false information, people just move on to the next thing to get up in arms over.

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Oh woe is me, the sky is falling.............................

Here is something I never understood. Maybe someone can explain it.

Why is being happy and satisfied with the community that we chose to live in considered bad? Why do some feel the need to categorize others as 'pro-developer', 'cool-aid drinkers', etc? Is thinking that the developer did a great job really incorrect, as some seem to think it is? Can't a person enjoy living here without having an opinion of the Morse family?

I so agree. I don't KNOW the Morse family and they don't allow us to know them very well. I know them only by their works.

I think it is good business, and probably good mental health for the Morse family to stay OUT of the spotlight. It is wise to not advertise you want to do this or that when land is part of the equation. Suddenly that land becomes out of sight financially.

HOWEVER, she rants, I know enough about life in general, about business, and know that the things we get in return for our investment here of money is more than fair.

If I were the person behind the screen, I would stay behind the screen. It is O.K. to run a for profit business. That is what this country's financial well being is built on.

If the builder stopped. Another builder would begin, or a dozen. And we would have growth. Uncontrolled growth in a way that most would NOT like.

Florida has become the third most populous State in the Union and will continue to grow as ten thousand Boomers a day retire for the next 12 years.

Baby Boomers Retire | Pew Research Center

That's a lot of Boomers Gracie. I doubt that I'll be around for 19 years to meet them all.

And the vast majority of Villagers are neither, simply living and enjoying their life here.

Well said Gracie.

I have been involved and, on many other occasions observed community governing bodies once turned over to the "Inmates" Often an ugly scene. Kind of like turning over a country to a group that has no knowledge or experience in governing.

Great response to a person who seems to resist change and does not make those of us who are new or are moving to TV feel welcome.