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Plants 04-08-2020 07:21 AM

You can make a mask out of a teeshirt GOOGLE it. No sewing or rubber bands

Singerlady 04-08-2020 07:22 AM

Google how to make a mask without sewing...there are ways...and they work!

karostay 04-08-2020 07:25 AM

I see all Monday morning arm chair Infectious disease experts are awake

dennisgavin 04-08-2020 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1742364)
In all honesty, has anyone been in a queue, and had a person cough or sneeze near them?
On our rare ventures to shop for food, we have never heard or seen anyone do either.

I've thought about doing a fake one to scatter the line. Some are SOOOO Long! :icon_wink:

La lamy 04-08-2020 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1742363)
I'm still scratching my head about why the wearer of the mask is not protected to some degree. Actually, I did read an article that does say the wearer does have some degree of protection. Sorry, no link as I've been reading LOTS about coronavirus and I don't bookmark everything I read.

From where I'm sitting, if a home made mask can prevent droplets from a sneeze or cough from escaping into the air, then it should be able to stop droplets from entering the mask from the other side of the mask.

Agreed!

merrymini 04-08-2020 07:32 AM

A great deal of evidence suggests that porous cotton, such as a tee shirt, is ineffective, and, as such, would be false confidence. There is so much information, I almost do not know what to believe because most of it contradicts some previous statement. If you want to wear a mask, do it, but leave everybody else alone because it is very difficult to get these masks and they are most important for the medical community first and foremost.

La lamy 04-08-2020 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1742364)
In all honesty, has anyone been in a queue, and had a person cough or sneeze near them?
On our rare ventures to shop for food, we have never heard or seen anyone do either.

I was in Walmart 3 weeks ago and a woman in a scooter was coughing non-stop. I kept holding my breath and trying to get away from her, but we seemed to want the same things in the same aisles. So yes people who seem sick can be found in stores. And she was not trying to cover her mouth at all.:ohdear:

gsovas 04-08-2020 07:37 AM

Wearing a Mask
 
Oh Please:
I am NOT going to wear a mask as I drive my golf cart in this beautiful weather. You have multiple choices in the way you live with the current situation. If you think you may get droplets from a sneeze from the golf cart in front of you doing 20mph you may 1. Insure your windshield is up, 2. Drop back a distance to insure no one sneezes in front of you or 3. Stay Home



Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1742305)
Wear a freaking mask!

Picture this - you're riding behind another cart or even approaching another cart when someone that has been exposed (you really can't tell this, can you?) sneezes and you drive through the sneeze droplets. Guess what? You could get infected and by the looks of most of the people I've seen driving a cart without a mask, if you get infected, YOU COULD POSSIBLY DIE.

Mine is own from the time I leave the house to go to work until the time I get home.

You are not invincible - WEAR A FREAKING MASK.


TomSwango 04-08-2020 07:43 AM

It is not about you.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1742309)
That scenario is WAY low on my list of things to worry about. I'll just continue to ride my bike without a mask. Guessing I'm more likely to be hit by a car than get sneezed on from long distance.

I would suggest it is more about the rest of the world that you may contaminate without realizing it or caring.

traceofscent 04-08-2020 07:44 AM

im making masks

chenault55 04-08-2020 07:44 AM

I just ordered some from Amazon.

willbush 04-08-2020 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoPacers (Post 1742310)
Unless you somehow obtained an N95 mask, the mask is not intended to protect you. Furthermore, nobody is supposed to have an N95 mask other than medical personnel at this time.

The purpose of the mask is to protect others from you should you have the disease.

I have 5 N95 masks which I purchased from Home Depot long before the virus crisis (use them when applying sprays on our yard) ;of course I can wear my own masks I purchase without being a Doctor

DeanFL 04-08-2020 07:50 AM

Heard on Radio news this AM, and confirmed. I am ALL FOR THIS. The sooner this thing is controlled (mitigated), the sooner we get back to a new normal. I wear one when going shopping - and would if mandated for ALL outside activities.>>>

Los Angeles mandates face coverings

April 7, 2020, 9:21 PM EDT
By David Douglas and Dennis Romero
LOS ANGELES — Residents of the city of Los Angeles will have to wear face coverings if they venture out to grocery stores, pharmacies or other essential businesses allowed to serve the public amid a statewide stay-at-home order.

"Every Angeleno will share this responsibility with employers: to keep workers and everybody else safe, which is why we are requiring customers to wear face coverings to enter those businesses," Mayor Eric Garcetti said Tuesday in issuing the facial covering mandate, which takes effect Friday.

Full coverage of the coronavirus outbreak

"If you're shopping for groceries, picking up a prescription or visiting any other essential business, and if you're not covering your face, by Friday morning an essential business can refuse you service," the mayor said.

He said workers at those businesses would also have to wear face coverings. The order is designed to prevent the person-to-person spread of the coronavirus.

"These critical places where we do come into contact with each other — those workers also must wear a facial covering," Garcetti said.

Garcetti recommended last week that residents wear face coverings. A day later, the enters for Disease Control and Prevention said the same for all Americans.

bhemingway 04-08-2020 07:51 AM

Does anyone on this thread understand how our rights are being taken from us? Yes I understand common sense, but how many of you worry about the flu? Do you wear a mask all "flu" season? How about H1N1 during Obama's time in office? Wear a mask then? Probably not. Fear is what is guiding most people thanks to the overly hyped press going on adnauseam. Be sensible and keep your distance from others. Don't let this take over your lives.

Rzepecki 04-08-2020 07:52 AM

If you have a t-shirt and scissors, you can make a mask. Check out the front page of yesterday’s newspaper.

Ruggiero56 04-08-2020 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1742342)
kcrazorbackfan - Where are masks available to purchase? My friend has been to Sam's club pharmacy - was told they never sold them; CVS on Avenida Central - nope; grocery stores - nope; Home Depot - was told they were donated locally; Lowes - nope; Rural King - nope; Tractor Supply - nope. She doesn't sew and has no bandanas, hankerchiefs or scarves.

Where can she or her husband go to buy masks? Thanks

Face masks were available on Groupon as of yesterday. Check it out.

SusanKD 04-08-2020 07:57 AM

There are u tube videos showing how to sew or not sew mask making idea

rockyhyder 04-08-2020 08:02 AM

I am amazed at the number of people who think they can rant on social media and actually change behavior. First of all, once you’re 50+ years old experience has taught you (if you can learn) to make your own decisions by gathering information, weighing options and choosing the best option for your situation. Telling your neighbors to wear a mask only makes you look like some over-bearing, self-righteous, know-it-all. A discussion of facts ( including links to the source) may change behavior in this demographic but ranting never will.

MegandSteve 04-08-2020 08:04 AM

Check on the Next Door app, some of our neighbors are making them . Or if you sew, there are many sites that will tell you how to make one and Joann Fabrics sells a kit to make them .

llmcdaniel 04-08-2020 08:07 AM

Sue Lehota of the Village of Bonita is sewing them and selling them for $5 apiece. The money pays for material and elastic, and then she donates the rest to a charity she supports.

theruizs 04-08-2020 08:08 AM

The mask is to protect others from you, not you from them. I do agree though, if everyone wore masks when we are anywhere near other people it would go long way to slowing this down. So we wear masks for that reason, because it is the responsible thing to do, even according to the CDC now. This is because they have found out that the virus hangs in the air much longer than they thought, so it isn’t just through droplets or surfaces that you can get infected, and the six foot thing may actually not be enough UNLESS we are all wearing masks too.

Love2Swim 04-08-2020 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhemingway (Post 1742548)
Does anyone on this thread understand how our rights are being taken from us? Yes I understand common sense, but how many of you worry about the flu? Do you wear a mask all "flu" season? How about H1N1 during Obama's time in office? Wear a mask then? Probably not. Fear is what is guiding most people thanks to the overly hyped press going on adnauseam. Be sensible and keep your distance from others. Don't let this take over your lives.

Obama? I suppose next we'll be getting a rehash of Hillary's emails. News flash - this isn't the time for politics. We get enough of that from the daily briefings. And clearly, there is a vaccine for flu, and not for Corona. If the health experts and scientists recommend face masks, then that's the way to go.

CFrance 04-08-2020 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1742321)
For the most part they don't protect YOU from ME if you wear one they protect ME from YOU. Unfortunately, many people don't have access to masks or know how to sew. I guess we could wrap toilet paper around our faces, wait, not available. I guess a towel would work in a pinch and no we don't own a scarf. Maybe a Halloween mask except now they will be in short supply too. I guess I can always dress up as an orange panda if I can find animal masks at The Party Store.

You can wear a neck warmer or make a no-sew mask out of a bandana or a t-shirt. Today's online newspaper edition of The Guardian shows the t-shirt version.



The CDC has the bandana one. Coronavirus: CDC releases guide to making face masks if you can'''t sew - Business Insider

Mohawksin 04-08-2020 08:18 AM

Added benefit of any mask
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Oregon47 (Post 1742449)
I’m all for wearing a mask. I do when in an environment that will bring me into contact with others. But there is a misconception by some for the purpose of the mask. It is to protect others from you. It limits the dispersal of droplets you create, talking, coughing or sneezing. Yes, by wearing one you might not inhale something, but that would be a bullseye. More likely you’ll drive through the cloud, get it on your clothes and eventually transfer the virus to your face the next time you touch you nose or rub you eye.

A improvised, cheap mask will keep you from touching your face. Wash your hands before touching the mask and removing it. Putt it in your pocket. When you are going to use your hands for any chore, put on your mask. Do the chore. Repeat as necessary.

Daxdog 04-08-2020 08:21 AM

You only need a mask to protect other people, if you are sick then you NEED to wear a mask, that is what the Doc said.

Girlcopper 04-08-2020 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1742342)
kcrazorbackfan - Where are masks available to purchase? My friend has been to Sam's club pharmacy - was told they never sold them; CVS on Avenida Central - nope; grocery stores - nope; Home Depot - was told they were donated locally; Lowes - nope; Rural King - nope; Tractor Supply - nope. She doesn't sew and has no bandanas, hankerchiefs or scarves.

Where can she or her husband go to buy masks? Thanks

Does she have tshirts? Any material will do. But traveling store to store looking for a mask has just raised their chances of getting the virus. Kinda defeats the purpose

bluedivergirl 04-08-2020 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1742372)
There are plenty of people who have N95 masks, and have kept a supply on hand, for various jobs and tasks, long before this crisis.


Yes. We have two of them, left over from a wood refinishing job. They do not have the vent, they are old and out of the package. Medical personnel would not want our two measly masks.

cmj1210 04-08-2020 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1742342)
kcrazorbackfan - Where are masks available to purchase? My friend has been to Sam's club pharmacy - was told they never sold them; CVS on Avenida Central - nope; grocery stores - nope; Home Depot - was told they were donated locally; Lowes - nope; Rural King - nope; Tractor Supply - nope. She doesn't sew and has no bandanas, hankerchiefs or scarves.

Where can she or her husband go to buy masks? Thanks

I feel your pain. I am the most un crafty person there is. I did see one today to make out of a tee shirt. Easy Peasy. Just google face masks from tee shirt. This was a video. I am going to try this today. Wasn’t much too it. I also have no bandanas or scarves in the house or rubber bands for that matter.

billethkid 04-08-2020 08:34 AM

Hopefully we never get to the point where it is mandated that to be outside you will wear a mask.
Enforced by citation/fines/arrest.

Then the "I'm not gonna wear a mask" crowd can stay home.

ladybugsmom 04-08-2020 08:35 AM

Wow! Who made you the boss? If you’re wearing your face mask then you wouldn’t get the possible “sneeze droplets” from someone else who possibly has the corona virus, who possibly didn’t cover their mouth. We all know to sneeze into a cloth or our arm. Stay in your house if you are that worried. Don’t drive in your cart. Drive in your car. Wow.

PugMom 04-08-2020 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffy (Post 1742423)
Sorry, but many people legitimately have N95 masks. I have four because I do a lot of home projects. Had them many months prior to the virus. I stained our cabinets, sanded drywall, etc. They were all used so unable to donate them to medical personnel. Like those medical people, I do reuse them. I put them in a microwave for 15 seconds to “clean”. Don’t automatically judge someone when you may not have all the facts.

a doctor told me he leaves his in the sun @ the end of the day, something about uv light that kills the germ. it's still very unknown territory, we've never had a flu that mutated & crossed species on such a grand scale

kendi 04-08-2020 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1742305)
Wear a freaking mask!

Picture this - you're riding behind another cart or even approaching another cart when someone that has been exposed (you really can't tell this, can you?) sneezes and you drive through the sneeze droplets. Guess what? You could get infected and by the looks of most of the people I've seen driving a cart without a mask, if you get infected, YOU COULD POSSIBLY DIE.

Mine is own from the time I leave the house to go to work until the time I get home.

You are not invincible - WEAR A FREAKING MASK.

Whew! I felt that anger rush by me even 800 miles away. Best chill or your anger will affect your body’s ability to fight the virus.
Mask protects others, not you. The virus would still enter your body through your eyes. Can’t drive a golf cart with your eyes covered. Sounds like you need to stay home

amexsbow 04-08-2020 08:45 AM

When I was on the P.D. and we handled a case involving some "smart" guy who had just became deceased because of his foolish choice of action we would say he was "cleaning out the low end of the gene pool."

kendi 04-08-2020 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldbers (Post 1742433)
just take a T-shirt or a Suck and make one. For instructions check YouTube. It takes 10 seconds to make. Good luck.

Best to use 100% quilters cotton as recommended by the CDC. Knit fabrics don’t have a close enough weave to help much.

kendi 04-08-2020 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theruizs (Post 1742574)
The mask is to protect others from you, not you from them. I do agree though, if everyone wore masks when we are anywhere near other people it would go long way to slowing this down. So we wear masks for that reason, because it is the responsible thing to do, even according to the CDC now. This is because they have found out that the virus hangs in the air much longer than they thought, so it isn’t just through droplets or surfaces that you can get infected, and the six foot thing may actually not be enough UNLESS we are all wearing masks too.

But they also said when it hangs in the air you have to be in an enclosed room for a long period of time for it to affect you.

TedfromGA 04-08-2020 08:53 AM

Are Face Masks effective? Some information to consider.
 
Are face masks effective?

Unless it is N95 and properly sealed around the mouth and nose, it will not stop virus infection. Also note the virus can enter your body via your eyes so to truly protect you need sealed goggles or a full face shield.

Some facts via google research - you draw your own conclusion:

N95 masks filter 95% of particles greater than 0.3 microns.

Perioperative Considerations for the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Anesthesia Patient Safety Foundation

Average diameter of covid 19 virus is 0.12 microns.

Coronavirus - Wikipedia

Covid 19 virus is mainly spread during close contact and by small droplets produced when those infected cough, sneeze or talk. Small droplets typically have a diameter of 5.0 microns or larger.

Coronavirus disease 2019 - Wikipedia

Surgical masks: “Does NOT provide the wearer with a reliable level of protection from inhaling smaller airborne particles and is not considered respiratory protection”.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/pdfs...raphic-508.pdf


From CIDRAP (Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy):

COMMENTARY: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data | CIDRAP

Worth while reading the full report which is about 3 pages which contains references. The short version about mask performance (efficiency) is quoted below: (um is shorthand for micron)

“...Mask, N95 respirator filtering performance

Following a recommendation that cloth masks be explored for use in healthcare settings during the next influenza pandemic. The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) conducted a study of the filter performance on clothing materials and articles, including commercial cloth masks marketed for air pollution and allergens, sweatshirts, t-shirts, and scarfs.

Filter efficiency was measured across a wide range of small particle sizes (0.02 to 1 µm) at 33 and 99 L/min. N95 respirators had efficiencies greater than 95% (as expected). For the entire range of particles tested, t-shirts had 10% efficiency, scarves 10% to 20%, cloth masks 10% to 30%, sweatshirts 20% to 40%, and towels 40%. All of the cloth masks and materials had near zero efficiency at 0.3 µm, a particle size that easily penetrates into the lungs.

Another study evaluated 44 masks, respirators, and other materials with similar methods and small aerosols (0.08 and 0.22 µm). N95 FFR filter efficiency was greater than 95%. Medical masks exhibited 55% efficiency, general masks 38% and handkerchiefs 2% (one layer) to 13% (four layers).

These studies demonstrate that cloth or homemade masks will have very low filter efficiency (2% to 38%).

Medical masks are made from a wide range of materials, and studies have found a wide range of filter efficiency (2% to 98%), with most exhibiting 30% to 50% efficiency…”


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Bowtorc 04-08-2020 08:53 AM

What an idiot!

jlo2012 04-08-2020 08:55 AM

I have an N95 mask from my days working as an RN. I have been using it since the outbreak. And yes, it is to protect others as well as me. None of us really know if we are carriers or not.

lindaelane 04-08-2020 08:57 AM

A Lie
 
It is a lie that "the mask protects others but not you". Are we supposed to believe in one-way masks? If you sneeze, your virus droplets do not go through, and you protect others. The same if they sneeze around you as you cross paths in the grocery store, etc. The mask is not perfect protection, nor is hand-washing, nor is anything, but the mask does protect you. There are scientific articles sharing this truth, it is not just me (a PhD in a science related field) saying this. I wish we heard it more often from the powers that be, but they feel so bad about initially telling us not to use masks. And of course - wash hands before putting mask on, touch only the earpieces of the mask, do not buy multiple masks since health care workers need them, and use a scarf if you do not have a mask.

Bwolf1 04-08-2020 09:02 AM

Because I couldn’t find any masks I was wearing a nylon stocking.
 
Because I couldn’t find any masks I was wearing a nylon stocking. However after my unpleasant experience at the bank on Friday I have decided to go maskless for the time being.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1742305)
Wear a freaking mask!

Picture this - you're riding behind another cart or even approaching another cart when someone that has been exposed (you really can't tell this, can you?) sneezes and you drive through the sneeze droplets. Guess what? You could get infected and by the looks of most of the people I've seen driving a cart without a mask, if you get infected, YOU COULD POSSIBLY DIE.

Mine is own from the time I leave the house to go to work until the time I get home.

You are not invincible - WEAR A FREAKING MASK.



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