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Warren Kiefer 02-06-2013 07:43 PM

POA Bulletin
 
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 621504)
CanI have the people that toss these things in my driveway charged with littering? I don't understand why I have to go out, pick these things up and throw them in the trash every few weeks. How can they have the right to litter like this?

I suggest rather than trashing the POA Bulletin, you read it. At one time it seemed to be mostly complaining but now has a lot of useful information. For instance, I found information from the POA that I could not get elsewhere such as what to do about the problems with vinyl siding, the leaking AC copper tubing, the roof vent, the roofing shingles, sinkholes, flooding and a host of others. I personally thru the POA discovered my roof ridge vent was defective and POA directed me to the source to have it replaced at no cost. So Boogie Man, you really should read it and please don't throw it into the trash, put it into one of the recycle at one of the churches......

Warren Kiefer 02-06-2013 08:01 PM

Neighbors and Deed Restrictions
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 621357)
Was the modification against deed restrictions?

It must have been awful if the "entire" neighborhood was opposed.

We have 106 homes in our neighborhood, 105 were opposed to the modification and the remaining one was the accused. The project was started without the required permits from Architectural Review Committee ( the contractor said the plans had been approved and somehow misplaced). The ARC subsequently denied the project three times as not being aesthetically conforming with the neighborhood. The issue was then appealed to our District Board of Supervisors who overturned the three ARC denials. The reason; basically, aesthetics are in "THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER". Our neighborhood concluded; a resident can do just about anything they want to do as long as it is not clearly and SPECIFICALLY spelled out in the deed restrictions..

rubicon 02-06-2013 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 621812)
We have 106 homes in our neighborhood, 105 were opposed to the modification and the remaining one was the accused. The project was started without the required permits from Architectural Review Committee ( the contractor said the plans had been approved and somehow misplaced). The ARC subsequently denied the project three times as not being aesthetically conforming with the neighborhood. The issue was then appealed to our District Board of Supervisors who overturned the three ARC denials. The reason; basically, aesthetics are in "THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER". Our neighborhood concluded; a resident can do just about anything they want to do as long as it is not clearly and SPECIFICALLY spelled out in the deed restrictions..

The outcome here is sad and may set precedent. The thing that TV had going for it was the ARC approval which protected residents.

The POA as a watchdog has to respond in kind. The period you refer too was such a period and what some call negative was the POA protecting residents interests.

The VHA had the Developer's blessing and contribution and was organized to compete directly against the POA which the Developer beleieved was a thorn in his side. However he issued this caveat that if they ever did anything he disapproved of or ws against him then he would withdraw his support . If you look closer you will notice the VHA is a quasi-public relation organization for the Developer. If you look even closer you will see that each of the past VHA presidents end up as a Board of Directors Southwest Water District, Village hospital Board ,etc. I will leave other to put a label on these moves.

I do not belong to either organization but if I did decide to support one it would be the POA

Advogado 02-07-2013 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 621833)
The outcome here is sad and may set precedent. The thing that TV had going for it was the ARC approval which protected residents.

The POA as a watchdog has to respond in kind. The period you refer too was such a period and what some call negative was the POA protecting residents interests.

The VHA had the Developer's blessing and contribution and was organized to compete directly against the POA which the Developer beleieved was a thorn in his side. However he issued this caveat that if they ever did anything he disapproved of or ws against him then he would withdraw his support . If you look closer you will notice the VHA is a quasi-public relation organization for the Developer. If you look even closer you will see that each of the past VHA presidents end up as a Board of Directors Southwest Water District, Village hospital Board ,etc. I will leave other to put a label on these moves.

I do not belong to either organization but if I did decide to support one it would be the POA

I find it absolutely outrageous that the Developer subsidizes the VHA for the sole purpose of undermining the POA-- yet very few Villagers seem to feel that way. Your post doesn't mention the fact that, a couple of years ago, the Developer almost succeeded in putting the POA out of business. In my view, it is crucial for for the residents that the POA survive as a viable organization to protect their interests when their interests conflict with those of the Developer-- for instance, if the IRS investigation ends unfavorably for the Center Districts and the Developer.

In light of the background of the VHA and all the good that the POA has done, as recited in your post, I guess that I am a little surprised to read that you do not support the POA. Just out of curiosity, why do you take that position?

Augie 02-07-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 622357)
I find it absolutely outrageous that the Developer subsidizes the VHA for the sole purpose of undermining the POA-- yet very few Villagers seem to feel that way. Your post doesn't mention the fact that, a couple of years ago, the Developer almost succeeded in putting the POA out of business. In my view, it is crucial for for the residents that the POA survive as a viable organization to protect their interests when their interests conflict with those of the Developer-- for instance, if the IRS investigation ends unfavorably for the Center Districts and the Developer.

In light of the background of the VHA and all the good that the POA has done, as recited in your post, I guess that I am a little surprised to read that you do not support the POA. Just out of curiosity, why do you take that position?

No surprise here!

Warren Kiefer 02-07-2013 11:42 PM

POA support
 
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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 622357)
I find it absolutely outrageous that the Developer subsidizes the VHA for the sole purpose of undermining the POA-- yet very few Villagers seem to feel that way. Your post doesn't mention the fact that, a couple of years ago, the Developer almost succeeded in putting the POA out of business. In my view, it is crucial for for the residents that the POA survive as a viable organization to protect their interests when their interests conflict with those of the Developer-- for instance, if the IRS investigation ends unfavorably for the Center Districts and the Developer.

In light of the background of the VHA and all the good that the POA has done, as recited in your post, I guess that I am a little surprised to read that you do not support the POA. Just out of curiosity, why do you take that position?

If you reads my additional posts you can only determine I support and am a member of the POA. I didn't want my posting to appear as an attack on the VHA by a POA membe. I had hoped for some lively discussion and got it. It is my belief the VHA has no value for the residents. Your assumption that I do not support the POA is just wrong.

Advogado 02-08-2013 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 622591)
If you reads my additional posts you can only determine I support and am a member of the POA. I didn't want my posting to appear as an attack on the VHA by a POA membe. I had hoped for some lively discussion and got it. It is my belief the VHA has no value for the residents. Your assumption that I do not support the POA is just wrong.

My post was in reply tp Rubicon's, in which he praised the POA but said that he does not belong. My view is that everybody has the obligation to support the POA. Otherwise, we are freeloading when we accept the benefits that the organization brings us.

graciegirl 04-15-2013 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Xavier (Post 621535)
I have supported both the POA and VHA as I believe they both have a role that is beneficial to the residents of The Villages. If I had to make a choice today I'd probably pick the POA over the VHA. Fortunately, I don't have to make a choice.

When we first moved here we found that the POA newsletter and their approach in general was VERY negative and down-right nasty. Since the change of leadership, we have found their tone and actions to be more effective and have made them a representative group that I'd be proud to be associated with.

The VHA on the other hand has acted like they had taken the same orientation program as the rest of the developer held enterprises. This is a good thing. In my humble opinion, the really good thing is they do have that developer connection and (maybe) his ear. It's pretty obvious to me that in the last two (maybe more) editions of the VHA newletter there was almost no substance at all. They honestly weren't worth the paper they were printed on. Now that's a big change that I've noticed since their change in leadership.

Both organizations have done loads of good for our community. I'll continue to support both for now and give them a hearty pat on the back and a sincere "Thank you."

Xavier

I am reposting your excellent post.

JB in TV 04-15-2013 03:46 PM

Here's a small reason to join the VHA, many local discounts...Member discounts

One in particular, kinda timely, as it ends 4/30/2013 Sams Club Spring Promotion

I have NO vested interest other than saving money, and will probably join POA also.

Villageshooter 04-15-2013 04:16 PM

Vha paper will always have five finger holes in it,,,, those are the holes the developer keeps his hand in the puppet to make sure it spreads the proper flavor of koolaid to drink. Just another puff sheet !! Beware!!!

perrjojo 04-15-2013 04:21 PM

Honestly...why bash either one. They both contain valuable information. Why do so many people think everything in life is EITHER/OR ?

justjim 04-15-2013 04:34 PM

The VHA'S newspaper has always been in the delivered Daily Sun. I have always wondered if they pay for that service? To answer the OP'S question ----"which will it be the VHA or the POA----my answer is, currently, BOTH. Bottom line----it seems to me that both have provided a needed service to the residents of TV. Competition is good---at least that is perceived by most to be the American Way! Following build out of TV, perhaps consolidation would make sense from an economic and effective stand point. Perhaps not.

buggyone 04-15-2013 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 621504)
CanI have the people that toss these things in my driveway charged with littering? I don't understand why I have to go out, pick these things up and throw them in the trash every few weeks. How can they have the right to litter like this?


Call their circulation depts and ask them not to deliver to you. No problem.

Personally, I enjoy reading the POA paper to see what kind of ridiculous actions have caused the golf cart accidents.

Reading both of them is kind of like flipping channels between FOX Noise and MSNBC. The truth is in the middle.

If someone is so doggone against the Morse family and what they have provided for us in The Villages, why continue to live in this repressive community? Move on to Ave Maria or Elgin, Iowa.

Bogie Shooter 04-15-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 660147)
Call their circulation depts and ask them not to deliver to you. No problem.

Personally, I enjoy reading the POA paper to see what kind of ridiculous actions have caused the golf cart accidents.

Reading both of them is kind of like flipping channels between FOX Noise and MSNBC. The truth is in the middle.

If someone is so doggone against the Morse family and what they have provided for us in The Villages, why continue to live in this repressive community? Move on to Ave Maria or Elgin, Iowa.

I agree!

Moderator 04-15-2013 07:51 PM

The topic is the publications of the VHA and the POA. Stay on the topic and refrain from the personal attacks.

Moderator


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