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JoMar 04-20-2015 04:10 PM

I believe Otis Williams is with the Temps and he is an original member......in any event, it is all about the music, would rather see a group that does the music justice then the original's who don't.....Sha Na Na comes to mind.

Cathy H 04-20-2015 07:18 PM

my hubby "sweaty" reminds me that the imaginary parking problem can be solved since 2 carts can park in one car space, so cart in all you concert goers

Chi-Town 04-20-2015 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xavier (Post 1048309)
It is what it is. It certainly isn't going to be moved or un-built. I'm sure we can somehow manage to live with it. Enjoy it if you can. If you can't, move on to something else that you may be able to change. In our golden years, it seems we would have learned those lessons. For our (scant) remaining years, we can enjoy life or be trampled by things that we don't agree with.

By the way, on Saturday night there were lots of things going on in Spanish Springs. The PBA tournament, the entertainment in the square (exceptional band by the way), the Cruise-in, and the sold out show at The Sharon. With just a little planning, we parked and dined at Ruby Tuesdays, with only a 10 minute wait, viewed some of the classic cars, listened to the band and, without waiting in line, found our seats inside The Sharon. Our departure from Spanish Springs was as uneventful as our arrival.

Xavier

Nice to know how well things went. That should quiet the naysayers. Well, some of them.

KeepingItReal 04-20-2015 07:52 PM

[QUOTE=Dr Winston O Boogie jr;1048520]
Five guys impersonating the Temptations. I wonder if people realize that there is not one original member of the Temptation performing with these impersonators. And I'm told that the same group will be appearing about ten miles from here and the seats are $25.00 which is more in line for tickets to see tribute bands.

Since we have tickets I thought I would check it out. Don't see anything close to here and the cheapest tickets start at around $45 and most are over $100 up to over $200 on the link below for their appearances..

Totally agree it would have been good to have something on the south side. As usual people and even big businesses tend to do the same things they have always done.

The Temptations Calendar 2015, Tour Dates & Concerts


jrandall 04-20-2015 09:11 PM

It looks great. I for one pinch myself each day because I feel so blessed to live in The Villages. I Absolutely have no reason to complain about anything.

Bonny 04-20-2015 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jrandall (Post 1048730)
It looks great. I for one pinch myself each day because I feel so blessed to live in The Villages. I Absolutely have no reason to complain about anything.

ME TOO !!!! We have lost several good friends in the last 2 months. Life is just too short. My favorite saying in the world.... "I do everything for fun. If it ain't fun, I don't do it." At this age, I just want to laugh and have fun with family and friends !!! Why on earth does anyone want to b**ch and moan about things they can't change and have no control over. Just relax, chill and enjoy your life !!

JoMar 04-20-2015 10:14 PM

[quote=KeepingItReal;1048684]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1048520)
Five guys impersonating the Temptations. I wonder if people realize that there is not one original member of the Temptation performing with these impersonators. And I'm told that the same group will be appearing about ten miles from here and the seats are $25.00 which is more in line for tickets to see tribute bands.

Since we have tickets I thought I would check it out. Don't see anything close to here and the cheapest tickets start at around $45 and most are over $100 up to over $200 on the link below for their appearances..

Totally agree it would have been good to have something on the south side. As usual people and even big businesses tend to do the same things they have always done.

The Temptations Calendar 2015, Tour Dates & Concerts


Otis Williams was an original.

DougB 04-20-2015 11:18 PM

Otis Williams will not be performing with them at The Sharon. Otis Williams owns the name "The Temptations". Note that the group coming to The King Center is "The Temptations Review featuring Dennis Edwards". Edwards joined in 68 replacing David Ruffin.

graciegirl 04-21-2015 05:45 AM

Just to summarize

There was a group who wanted a performing arts center some years ago and Mark Morse offered to enlarge the Church on the Square and they turned him down.They wanted something bigger or to their plans.

The church on the square had been used by a church early on and then for many years had a rotating bunch of non denominational speakers at noon on Sunday. The building was used for a variety of musical events including The Villages Philharmonic. Some of the smaller groups were very inexpensive.

Here is the letter sent by Mark Morse to Janet Tutt in 2010.

http://www.districtgov.org/images/wh...nterLetter.pdf

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 04-21-2015 06:21 AM

[quote=JoMar;1048738]
Quote:

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 1048684)

Otis Williams was an original.

True, my bad.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 04-21-2015 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1048759)
Just to summarize

There was a group who wanted a performing arts center some years ago and Mark Morse offered to enlarge the Church on the Square and they turned him down.They wanted something bigger or to their plans.

The church on the square had been used by a church early on and then for many years had a rotating bunch of non denominational speakers at noon on Sunday. The building was used for a variety of musical events including The Villages Philharmonic. Some of the smaller groups were very inexpensive.

Here is the letter sent by Mark Morse to Janet Tutt in 2010.

http://www.districtgov.org/images/wh...nterLetter.pdf

Interesting letter. They obviously did it as inexpensively as possible with absolute minimum risk involved. That is pretty apparent looking at the finished product. And I can't really say that I blame them for that. They are being very conservative.

What I don't see in this letter is any mention of demographics surrounding some of these struggling centers. The Villages is now at about 110,000 people and growing. A bigger facility in a better location would also draw from Wildwood, Summerfield, Bellevue, Fruitland Park, Leesburg and even Ocala not to mention Weirsdale and communities up that way.

The Villages also has a good percentage of it's population that has the disposal income to enjoy a facility.

I don't know what kind of studies were done so I really can't have an opinion based on any real numbers, but it does seem to me that this area could stand a bigger performance center.

Number 6 04-21-2015 07:31 AM

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Number 6 04-21-2015 07:32 AM

Am I correct in assuming that Rocky Entertainment is not booking acts into the Sharon? They have acts still booked into the Savannah Center into next year. Might be the cost, no (or politics)?

Bogie Shooter 04-21-2015 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1048775)
Interesting letter. They obviously did it as inexpensively as possible with absolute minimum risk involved. That is pretty apparent looking at the finished product. And I can't really say that I blame them for that. They are being very conservative.

What I don't see in this letter is any mention of demographics surrounding some of these struggling centers. The Villages is now at about 110,000 people and growing. A bigger facility in a better location would also draw from Wildwood, Summerfield, Bellevue, Fruitland Park, Leesburg and even Ocala not to mention Weirsdale and communities up that way.

The Villages also has a good percentage of it's population that has the disposal income to enjoy a facility.

I don't know what kind of studies were done so I really can't have an opinion based on any real numbers, but it does seem to me that this area could stand a bigger performance center.

Its too bad you were not here in 2010 to lend your expertise and opinion to the PALM comittee. What is accomplished at this point by picking on the center that is now a reality?
High hopes for Villages performing arts center | Ocala.com

Bonny 04-21-2015 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Number 6 (Post 1048802)
Am I correct in assuming that Rocky Entertainment is not booking acts into the Sharon? They have acts still booked into the Savannah Center into next year. Might be the cost, no (or politics)?

Why are you assuming this ?

Number 6 04-21-2015 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1048815)
Why are you assuming this ?

Because he has acts booked into the Savannah Center into 2016 and has nothing booked into the Sharon.
Just asking.

Xavier 04-21-2015 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1048814)
Its too bad you were not here in 2010 to lend your expertise and opinion to the PALM comittee. What is accomplished at this point by picking on the center that is now a reality?
High hopes for Villages performing arts center | Ocala.com

It is a shame indeed. Good question as well. Water over the dam or under the bridge. Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda!!

Xavier

graciegirl 04-21-2015 09:33 AM

I think this speaks for itself. Income. Expenses. Funding. Funding seems important, very important in many cases.

http://nonprofits.findthecompany.com...g-Arts-Centers

Challenger 04-21-2015 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1048864)
I think this speaks for itself. Income. Expenses. Funding. Funding seems important, very important in many cases.

http://nonprofits.findthecompany.com...g-Arts-Centers

"You have to do well in order to do good." a financial white elephant would plague the community for years. Thanks to the" family" once again for remaining rational.

JoMar 04-21-2015 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Number 6 (Post 1048837)
Because he has acts booked into the Savannah Center into 2016 and has nothing booked into the Sharon.
Just asking.

Has entertainment booked into January 2017 at the Sharon. Assume more will be coming so we will continue to have choices....not a bad thing.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 04-21-2015 11:18 AM

[quote=KeepingItReal;1048684]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1048520)
Five guys impersonating the Temptations. I wonder if people realize that there is not one original member of the Temptation performing with these impersonators. And I'm told that the same group will be appearing about ten miles from here and the seats are $25.00 which is more in line for tickets to see tribute bands.

Since we have tickets I thought I would check it out. Don't see anything close to here and the cheapest tickets start at around $45 and most are over $100 up to over $200 on the link below for their appearances..

Totally agree it would have been good to have something on the south side. As usual people and even big businesses tend to do the same things they have always done.

The Temptations Calendar 2015, Tour Dates & Concerts


The Temptations with Otis Williams are playing at the Trilogy in Orlando on May 20. Tickets run from $35 to $65. The Temptations Review is what is playing at the Sharon. The lead singer replaced Davis Ruffin toward the end of their run. He didn't sing on any of their hit records.

Number 6 04-21-2015 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1048911)
Has entertainment booked into January 2017 at the Sharon. Assume more will be coming so we will continue to have choices....not a bad thing.

I was specifically asking about Rocky Entertainment, who, as far as I can see has not booked the Sharon.

Chi-Town 04-21-2015 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Number 6 (Post 1048961)
I was specifically asking about Rocky Entertainment, who, as far as I can see has not booked the Sharon.

Rocky Entertainment may be considered local, catering more to the Squares, Katie Belles, and the Savannah Center. I doubt if they will ever play The Sharon unless it's part of a benefit gala.

JoMar 04-21-2015 01:59 PM

[quote=Dr Winston O Boogie jr;1048920]
Quote:

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 1048684)

The Temptations with Otis Williams are playing at the Trilogy in Orlando on May 20. Tickets run from $35 to $65. The Temptations Review is what is playing at the Sharon. The lead singer replaced Davis Ruffin toward the end of their run. He didn't sing on any of their hit records.

I stand corrected, thank you.

Bonny 04-21-2015 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1048969)
Rocky Entertainment may be considered local, catering more to the Squares, Katie Belles, and the Savannah Center. I doubt if they will ever play The Sharon unless it's part of a benefit gala.

I would think it will depend on the various artists Rocky brings in.

jbdlfan 04-21-2015 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Xavier (Post 1048502)
Miracles happen, my friend. Miracles happen. Not all wisdom is divested solely amongst the Negative-Nellies. I think the Morse family may have a bit of it (wisdom) too!

Xavier

I personally don't care, but to compare a night in middle of April with December- March is apples to oranges. Cruise in, holiday movies, seasonal residents, The Sharon, new World of Beer, these will pose challenges. I would withhold judgment on that one.

coach 04-21-2015 05:16 PM

[quote=Dr Winston O Boogie jr;1048920]
Quote:

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 1048684)

The Temptations with Otis Williams are playing at the Trilogy in Orlando on May 20. Tickets run from $35 to $65. The Temptations Review is what is playing at the Sharon. The lead singer replaced Davis Ruffin toward the end of their run. He didn't sing on any of their hit records.

I really don't have a dog in this fight, but it bothers me when comments are made about Dennis Edwards and the Temptation Review that are just plain wrong. Dennis Edwards replaced David Ruffin in the fall of 1968 after Ruffin was fired. Edwards was lead singer from 68-76, 80-84' and 87-89. During these years they had 14 gold albums, 5 Grammys, were inducted into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame and had 38 billboard top 40 hits. So when you say that Dennis Edwards is some has been with no credentials you are just flat wrong. The concert will be wonderful I assure you.

JoMar 04-21-2015 05:34 PM

I think Boogie's position is that if they aren't the original day 1 group they aren't worth seeing and the groups are all just impersonators. In his context he is or course, correct since most of the original day 1 groups are dead. I think his other points revolve around cost and that is an individual choice. I'm a believer that the music needs to be kept alive and that's what these groups do. They don't add their own style, or their own interpretation.....they give it to us the way we remember. I will be at their show.

tomwed 04-21-2015 05:40 PM

If I had any talent or knew any talent, I would put together a knock-off woodstock concert for the stage. I would just go to the album[s] and have those songs performed. How could you miss? Call it the 46th anniversary concert.

DougB 04-21-2015 07:24 PM

[quote=Dr Winston O Boogie jr;1048920]
Quote:

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 1048684)

The Temptations with Otis Williams are playing at the Trilogy in Orlando on May 20. Tickets run from $35 to $65. The Temptations Review is what is playing at the Sharon. The lead singer replaced Davis Ruffin toward the end of their run. He didn't sing on any of their hit records.


[quote=JoMar;1048988]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1048920)

I stand corrected, thank you.

See post #48
Edwards sang on many hits; Cloud 9, I Can't Get Next to You, Ball of Confusion, Shakey Ground, Papa Was a Rolling Stone.

Chi-Town 04-21-2015 10:28 PM

The Four Tops and The Temptations played together many years ago at Ravinia which is an outdoor venue north of Chicago. There was hardly an original member between them even then. But it was extremely crowded and everybody had a great time. Already have tickets for The Sharon.

EnglishJW 04-22-2015 10:04 AM

[quote=coach;1049078]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1048920)

I really don't have a dog in this fight, but it bothers me when comments are made about Dennis Edwards and the Temptation Review that are just plain wrong. Dennis Edwards replaced David Ruffin in the fall of 1968 after Ruffin was fired. Edwards was lead singer from 68-76, 80-84' and 87-89. During these years they had 14 gold albums, 5 Grammys, were inducted into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame and had 38 billboard top 40 hits. So when you say that Dennis Edwards is some has been with no credentials you are just flat wrong. The concert will be wonderful I assure you.


I understand both sides of this discussion since we are somewhat like the blindfolded men describing an elephant. For me, Eddie Kendricks and David Ruffin WERE the Temptations. On the other hand, without these two, the group has gone on to have a wonderfully successful career. It isn't an 'either/or' discussion. The Temptations changed and evolved. What was is not what is. How about The Drifters (with or without Ben E. King)? Or The Beach Boys (with or without Brian, Dennis and Carl Wilson as well as Al Jardine)? Let's enjoy things we like.

Bruiser1 04-22-2015 10:40 AM

:BigApplause:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1048731)
ME TOO !!!! We have lost several good friends in the last 2 months. Life is just too short. My favorite saying in the world.... "I do everything for fun. If it ain't fun, I don't do it." At this age, I just want to laugh and have fun with family and friends !!! Why on earth does anyone want to b**ch and moan about things they can't change and have no control over. Just relax, chill and enjoy your life !!


I have to agree with Bonnie! Several weeks ago friends expressed an interest in seeing Beginnings (Chicago tribute band) at Savannah. I thought I hope I can still get tickets . I was delighted to get 4- 6th row tickets .

The band came out and the horns section was fantastic. The band obviously was charged up with the enthusiastic response of the audience. This was their third trip here and they expressed their desire to return again.

Thanks also for Doctor Boogie for expressing himself on the forum.
"Imagine" if we all could live in peace and harmony! Until then "we can work it out"!

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 04-22-2015 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruiser1 (Post 1049403)
:BigApplause:


I have to agree with Bonnie! Several weeks ago friends expressed an interest in seeing Beginnings (Chicago tribute band) at Savannah. I thought I hope I can still get tickets . I was delighted to get 4- 6th row tickets .

The band came out and the horns section was fantastic. The band obviously was charged up with the enthusiastic response of the audience. This was their third trip here and they expressed their desire to return again.

Thanks also for Doctor Boogie for expressing himself on the forum.
"Imagine" if we all could live in peace and harmony! Until then "we can work it out"!

I have no problems with tribute bands. In fact I've played in some. You just don't normally pay a lot of money to see them. A friend of mine plays in one of the top Beatles Tribute bands in the world. These guys travel all over the world and have even won an Emmy. Tickets to see them top out at about $35.00.

I just don't like it when the billing is for a famous band and you get to see one of the members of that band and a lot of professional musicians. It happened to me a few years back when I shelled out $100 per ticket to see the Beach Boys only to find that it was Mike Love and a cast of unknowns. Sorry, but it wasn't the Beach Boys.

It's like what English JW said about Kendricks and Ruffin being The Temptations. Even though Dennis Edwards did sing on several of their later records, he alone is not the Temptations. Otis Williams was pretty much a back up singer in the group and he along with four other guys is not the Temptations. I have no problem that people go to see them and enjoy them. I just think that they should be advertised and priced according to what they are.

On the other hand, if people are willing to pay big bucks to see these acts, God Bless them for being able to get it.

looneycat 04-23-2015 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Allegiance (Post 1048163)
I have read the other threads on The Sharon and some people think it was a bad idea, parking etc. People have personally told me that previous surveys have suggested against it being built but the Developer built regardless. I walk by The Sharon most mornings and I have to say I think its ugly. It kinda looks like a prison with a cross on top. Is it just me?

If they wanted more commercial space could they have not incorporated it into the perimeter of that prison warehouse looking Sharon, instead of dooming Katie Belles? They could have had their theater and a bustling beautiful building. The idea of The Sharon makes no sense in a Square, fully one forth of the square will now be dead ugly unused space the vast majority of the time. Will it be used daily by the residents?

Yes yes yes... the developer has a right to do whatever they want with their hard earned money, and yes they are most likely smarter than the rest of us. The question is ... is it ugly? Does it belong in a square? I would do this post as a survey if I knew how and had the rights.

PS...Why do some people never ever criticize the developer?


They are not God.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::b igbow::bigbow::bigbow:

nope it's not ugly at all and yes it belongs there and was there when you got here, so? I don't know anything about past surveys that didn't want this, please provide us with those imagined survey results....saying it doesn't make it so

Number 6 04-23-2015 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1049810)
I have no problems with tribute bands. In fact I've played in some. You just don't normally pay a lot of money to see them. A friend of mine plays in one of the top Beatles Tribute bands in the world. These guys travel all over the world and have even won an Emmy. Tickets to see them top out at about $35.00.

I just don't like it when the billing is for a famous band and you get to see one of the members of that band and a lot of professional musicians. It happened to me a few years back when I shelled out $100 per ticket to see the Beach Boys only to find that it was Mike Love and a cast of unknowns. Sorry, but it wasn't the Beach Boys.

It's like what English JW said about Kendricks and Ruffin being The Temptations. Even though Dennis Edwards did sing on several of their later records, he alone is not the Temptations. Otis Williams was pretty much a back up singer in the group and he along with four other guys is not the Temptations. I have no problem that people go to see them and enjoy them. I just think that they should be advertised and priced according to what they are.

On the other hand, if people are willing to pay big bucks to see these acts, God Bless them for being able to get it.

Just my opinion but Jay and the Americans without Jay Black is a tribute band. That goes for the Animals without Eric Burdon, the Lovin' Spoonful without John Sebastian, Herman's Hermits without Peter Noone, the Classics 4 without Dennis Yost, well you take my point.
Hey, there is nothing wrong with this, as long as you know what you are buying I went to the Classics 4 show and it was great. I have seen a couple of dozen Beatle tribute bands and will continue to do so. I will not, however, waste my money watching Joe Butler play the autoharp and sing, "Do You Believe in Magic".

brovelli 04-29-2015 02:58 PM

Have been inside for the HS kids. It is a beautifully done theatre. I have tickets for the "State of the Villages message" and "Million Dollar Quartet" in May.

The lobby area, the old Church on the Square is still in tack, alter and all.. I would guess it wouldn't take much to actually have a "wedding there",, just rent some chairs,but don't know.

I have "heard" something awful that I think the developer should address.. (I don't have a single fact, so if someone know something, would love to hear..)
I heard that the Villages Orchestra will not be at the Sharon.. What a waste. The sound system was amazing and sitting in the seats would have made listening to wonderful music a joy. Maybe that is not true.. I can hope.
b

Bizdoc 04-29-2015 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brovelli (Post 1053254)
I have "heard" something awful that I think the developer should address.. (I don't have a single fact, so if someone know something, would love to hear..)
I heard that the Villages Orchestra will not be at the Sharon.. What a waste. The sound system was amazing and sitting in the seats would have made listening to wonderful music a joy. Maybe that is not true.. I can hope.
b

It is true that the Philharmonic Orchestra will not be performing there for the 2015-16 season. The official reason was that they could not agree on dates which need to set far in advance for the visiting soloists.

The real reason is probably poor attendance. Other than Messiah, they had 25-50% of the seats empty this year. A sad fact of life for all orchestras is that their audiences are literally dying - the bulk of their season ticket holders (and patrons) are up in years. I doubt that they will be around very many more years.

And no, it isn't the seats or acoustics at Savannah Center. Plenty of other groups sell out including the various Villages Bands, Villages Symphony, and the Wisconsin Singers.

The success or failure of the Philharmonic is the responsibility of its board. Why does everyone want *The Developer* to shoulder responsibility for everything?

rdhdleo 04-29-2015 05:06 PM

:agree:
Quote:

Originally Posted by NJblue (Post 1048527)
While I liked the visual symmetry of the old configuration, the new building is a long way from ugly. I think SS is a good location for it. We have to remember that this building must be economically viable to survive. My guess is that part of its appeal to the devloper was the fact that, by putting it in a town center, it makes the restaurants and shops in town more profitable by virtue of more people coming into the area. More profits for the businesses mean more profits for the developer that can be used to prove in the economic viability of the performing arts center. I tip my hat to them on this and wish them luck.

:agree: BEST post yet!!! I for one feel the building blends in well, is beautiful inside and out and will be an asset to businesses in the area and those that wish to enjoy what it has to offer. The Villages has something for everyone. Variety is the spice of life. I for one am grateful we have so many versatile venues to enjoy!

2BNTV 04-30-2015 10:03 AM

Random thoughts:
1. I think SS is a beautiful square.
2. Should have Sharon Morse PAC be built in an area where ample parking with a bigger seating capacity along 466 by Bealls, would have been my choice.
3. I would have preferred KB's to be remodeled/updated and not changed.
4. Change will always happen and "who's to say", it's not for the best.

Last time I looked, the developer didn't ask my opinion on what is to be built and where, and they have done a great job in building the most beautiful retirement community ever!!!

Time to "let it be" and be happy!!!


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