[Challenger]

money spent unecessarily on inefficient or unneeded projects deprives high efficiency and necessary projects from being made. I do drive the MMPs after dark and there are a few(operative word is few) spots where some further highlighting would be helpful. i find that the few reflectors on the MMPs through a place like Turtle Mound do the job quite well. We do not need a major project throughout the community. A few relectors or reflective paint on a few centerlines will improve visibility quite adequately.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Challenger

money spent unecessarily on inefficient or unneeded projects deprives high efficiency and necessary projects from being made. I do drive the MMPs after dark and there are a few(operative word is few) spots where some further highlighting would be helpful. i find that the few reflectors on the MMPs through a place like Turtle Mound do the job quite well. We do not need a major project throughout the community. A few relectors or reflective paint on a few centerlines will improve visibility quite adequately.

Although the first sentence is a bit presumptuous...terms such as inefficient and unneeded are very subjective...I agree with the rest of your post. IMHO reflectors or some sort of striping could be used in some isolated areas, but is not really necessary system wide.

[looneycat]

Originally Posted by Challenger

money spent unecessarily on inefficient or unneeded projects deprives high efficiency and necessary projects from being made. I do drive the MMPs after dark and there are a few(operative word is few) spots where some further highlighting would be helpful. i find that the few reflectors on the MMPs through a place like Turtle Mound do the job quite well. We do not need a major project throughout the community. A few relectors or reflective paint on a few centerlines will improve visibility quite adequately.

sounds like you are agreeing, reflectors and striping DO increase safety and visibility. Why would you not want that safety on all roads. Virtually all public streets are striped...I guess those engineers who checked out the Villages don't think 50,000 golf carts require the safety they afford people on public streets. That's all that needs to be said...you either care about the safety of others or you don't....no further replies are needed.

[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by Challenger

money spent unecessarily on inefficient or unneeded projects deprives high efficiency and necessary projects from being made. I do drive the MMPs after dark and there are a few(operative word is few) spots where some further highlighting would be helpful. i find that the few reflectors on the MMPs through a place like Turtle Mound do the job quite well. We do not need a major project throughout the community. A few relectors or reflective paint on a few centerlines will improve visibility quite adequately.

Maybe in the southern portions of the. Buena Vista trail the landscaping is such that the trail is not darkened. Up north here, I have taken to driving the street that runs parallel to Buena Vista when it is dark. The street is much better lit and straigther. This is called taking personal responsibiliy....

[JiminTV]

How well can you see the path at night in the rain with an oncoming golf cart's lights reflecting on your windshield? To me, this is an important safety issue that is well worth the $1-2 per household per year.

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by looneycat

sounds like you are agreeing, reflectors and striping DO increase safety and visibility. Why would you not want that safety on all roads. Virtually all public streets are striped...I guess those engineers who checked out the Villages don't think 50,000 golf carts require the safety they afford people on public streets. That's all that needs to be said...you either care about the safety of others or you don't....no further replies are needed.

a mis characterization of my comments-- completely.

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Although the first sentence is a bit presumptuous...terms such as inefficient and unneeded are very subjective...I agree with the rest of your post. IMHO reflectors or some sort of striping could be used in some isolated areas, but is not really necessary system wide.

Money is a scarce commodity The adoption of a project with monetary costs does limit other activities unless there is a bottomless pot -somewhere, as in taxpayers pockets(residents)

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Challenger

Money is a scarce commodity The adoption of a project with monetary costs does limit other activities unless there is a bottomless pot -somewhere, as in taxpayers pockets(residents)

Not sure I see your point. Don't get me wrong...I totally agree with your statement. But it's true for all projects in any budget, not just trail striping.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Challenger

Money is a scarce commodity The adoption of a project with monetary costs does limit other activities unless there is a bottomless pot -somewhere, as in taxpayers pockets(residents)

What happened to "it's not about the money, it's the principal"?

[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by outlaw

What happened to "it's not about the money, it's the principal"?

It has always been about the money. Striping was a good idea until the cost was published.

[twoplanekid]

Originally Posted by tomwed

Isn't this a great opportunity for the rest of the villages to see if the number of accidents go down?

If it doesn't improve safety, which admittedly is hard to measure, close calls and all than maybe the rest of the districts could help chip in to defray the cost. That may set up a president. So the next time an idea comes along one district could try it out and the other districts would help defray the cost if it fails or add the same service if it doesn't.

This strikes me as an opportunity to try new ideas out.

Rather than stripping all districts, let District 8 stripe as an experiment. As people travel through this district on the multi-modal trails, let Villagers see for themselves if stripping the trails does help at night. As no one else in the world has the data or experience to help with this issue, we may be required to try it here on a small scale. Spend a little to save a lot or try it as you may grow to like it.

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by outlaw

What happened to "it's not about the money, it's the principal"?

In some cases, the money is the principle. Not necessarily so when someone commits a criminal act.

This case has much to do with efficient use of scarce resources (money)

[biker1]

I suspect it will be difficult/impossible to collect data that will allow for the testing of the hypothesis that striping improves safety, to a statistically significant degree. In the absence of real data, typically you would want to go with the opinion of an expert. His opinion was not to stripe. South of 466A, there are some blind curves with embedded reflectors in the middle of the MMP. They serve double duty as they "thump" if you go over them with your tires. These seem like a good idea.

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

Rather than stripping all districts, let District 8 stripe as an experiment. As people travel through this district on the multi-modal trails, let Villagers see for themselves if stripping the trails does help at night. As no one else in the world has the data or experience to help with this issue, we may be required to try it here on a small scale. Spend a little to save a lot or try it as you may grow to like it.

[pgc4340]

Originally Posted by virgind

Some one please tell me why the side stripping of the golf cart paths have to be done. Thats an expence that is a waste of money.

I would also like to know the same thing. If people really need a stripe because they can't see well at night, in spite of having headlights, then why not a stripe down the middle dividing lanes. It would serve a dual purpose of ensuring people stay on their own side of the path, and give them a guide to follow so they don't run off the road. The number of people who drive down the middle of the path as if it is a one way street is ridiculous.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Challenger

In some cases, the money is the principle. Not necessarily so when someone commits a criminal act.

This case has much to do with efficient use of scarce resources (money)

I agree money is principal.