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mamamia54 08-30-2020 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by quietpine (Post 1824668)
I read that the white cross originated in Wisconsin as a protest. Yes folks, the people who display those crosses are protestors! You know, like the people protesting police shootings of unarmed black men.

What a crazy analogy.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 08-30-2020 09:33 AM

I wonder if the people with white crosses would be so welcoming of there devil worshiping neighbors pentagram???

njbchbum 08-30-2020 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Klatu (Post 1825158)
This is the age when some folks are rip roaring ready to take offense. White crosses are fine; I suspect the owners are good, decent people ready to express their faith in a non-threatening and sincere way. If others are bothered, well that is the way of living in community: some folks are different and toleration is a virtue.

You can "suspect the owners are good, decent people" all you want to...but unless they live in an area where lawn ornaments are permitted, they are owners who have no regard for following deed restrictions that they agreed to follow...and who knows what else! Following the rules is supposed to be "the way of living in community" - no?

Marathon Man 08-30-2020 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Klatu (Post 1825158)
This is the age when some folks are rip roaring ready to take offense. White crosses are fine; I suspect the owners are good, decent people ready to express their faith in a non-threatening and sincere way. If others are bothered, well that is the way of living in community: some folks are different and toleration is a virtue.

Good, decent people follow the terms of a contract that they signed. Good, decent people don't do things that demand toleration.

jimjamuser 08-30-2020 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1825152)
I'm not an expert historian. But I enjoy studying comparative religion. I've read parts of the Quran, the old and new testaments, the Talmud, the book of Mormon, parts of the Bhagava-Ghita, and several other religious texts. Grew up Jewish with Orthodox grandparents in a Reform home, belonged to both the Jewish youth group and the Methodist youth group to hang out with a friend who was in it. Studied in college for my midterms at the Hare Krsna Society building because it was peaceful there and smelled nice, am an actual card-carrying member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and lived with Wiccans, Pagans, and other random religious folks throughout the years.

So I've had lots of opportunity to learn about religion and it became an interest.

That was nice to share an interesting, unique life experience. My closest encounter with a different religion was a college lab partner from Iran who hated the Shaw of Iran. I never talked deep subjects with him. I did not have any real interest or curiosity about his religion or any religion, maybe I should have. All I knew about him was he once argued with a Catholic Priest about religion. He smoked good pot. He was a good lab partner.
........As to the Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster. I wonder if they serve salads at their service? Or just throw the spaghetti at each other. Anyway, it would make a GREAT title for a movie. You should write the screenplay. If Belushi were alive he could play the lead.

Velvet 08-30-2020 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1825152)
I'm not an expert historian. But I enjoy studying comparative religion. I've read parts of the Quran, the old and new testaments, the Talmud, the book of Mormon, parts of the Bhagava-Ghita, and several other religious texts. Grew up Jewish with Orthodox grandparents in a Reform home, belonged to both the Jewish youth group and the Methodist youth group to hang out with a friend who was in it. Studied in college for my midterms at the Hare Krsna Society building because it was peaceful there and smelled nice, am an actual card-carrying member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and lived with Wiccans, Pagans, and other random religious folks throughout the years.

So I've had lots of opportunity to learn about religion and it became an interest.

And may I ask this, did you find what you were looking for?

I came from a scientific background and it was a very difficult journey because I don’t accept the idea of belief easily.

Byte1 08-30-2020 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1824985)
That was me, with the Jewish, Wiccan, etc. comment. Religious symbols as a collective, don't bother me all that much. But when the ONLY religious symbol displayed prominently in an entire neighborhood is white crosses, it makes me uncomfortable. It makes me feel like there's some kind of club that I'm excluded from. It makes me feel like the property owner is saying, "I'm special and you're not." It is exclusionary, not inclusionary.

But like you, I don't report it, because a) I don't think it's restricted in my neighborhood and b) as I said previously, we moved into this neighborhood because creative expression is allowed, not restricted, and I accept what I like with what I don't like.

As you said - it floats their boat, and it isn't "hurting" me in any way, so hey go for it. I'd probably appreciate them more if they'd give them some funky paint job, because that stark white amidst their colorful gardens isn't very fashionable. Maybe a tie-dye, or give it the same color as the flowers on their hibiscus tree, or something to coordinate with the landscaping.

I like that idea about giving them "some funky paint job." I just do not see the cross as being exclusive, though. Guess I am just old fashioned and get the warm/welcome feeling when I see folks display them. They are so small that they appear subdued among all the landscaping. I've always been comfortable around older folks and now that I am one of them, I still enjoy how they help and comfort each other, as well as maintain their distance when folks wish their privacy. I consider the nosy and busybody folks on here that must interfere with others' happiness to be a minority and there is nothing that is going to change them. They are probably not welcome in their home community up North either.

Byte1 08-30-2020 01:07 PM

I have noticed all kinds of painted driveway designs that no one seems to take offense to. Perhaps a large cross painted onto the driveway would be accepted by all of these "well the rule is the rule" types.

There are a lot of hypocrites on here that espouse "rules are rules" that violate them in other ways every day. Of course, it's easier to just make excuses for their real fears by insisting that you are violating the rules when the real truth is that they are just plain offended that anyone can find happiness and peace by displaying a reminder to themselves and anyone that wishes to ask them why they are so contented. That little reminder gives them peace and happiness and shows folks that they can be welcome at their home. I'll bet there are plenty of visitors to the community that see those little crosses and know that there is a good chance that the neighborhood is friendly.

It does not matter a lot to me whether or not one places such a reminder in their yard. It does not bother me if some agitators wish to argue how it will lead to satanic symbols and star of David symbols. In my opinion, if the neighborhood does not like it they will let you know. There are always those that are being spiritually convicted that will be adamantly against anything that makes them uncomfortable. There will always be those around that wish to silence any view that is contrary to their own selfish banner.

On the other hand, I do not condone placing objects on a property that will obviously alienate your neighbors. To me, if I plan to live in a particular neighborhood, I want to become a good neighbor. I have seen how folks point at a passerby and say "he (or she) is a miserable person." I have never heard anyone mention that they were disturbed by a neighbor placing a small white cross, a Virgin Mary or even a Buddha statue in their landscaping. And folks, even good folks do gossip so it would get around if so.

I put my little lawn flags out on every national holiday to show my patriotism. I enjoy driving down my street and seeing hundreds of American flags lining the streets. Anything wrong with that? I enjoy driving around many neighborhoods during the holiday season to see the multitude of decorations and lights. I try to remember Jewish holidays so that I can pass on my wishes to my Jewish friends. They do not take offense when I give them a small Christmas gift. I honored or respected Ramadan when I was in the Middle East as well as other foreign holidays.

Tolerance is an interesting thing. You can mandate the inclusion or exclusion of tolerance but you cannot mandate one to condone an act or omission. What I mean is that you can legislate PC but you can not make someone condone or like-welcome a particular rule or law.
Live and let live. If a small white cross bothers you because one is breaking a rule, you are a justified stickler. If a small white cross bothers you because it "offends" you, then you should find out why it bothers you. If I say God Bless you, it is meant as a sincere prayer of peace and prosperity to you and not meant as a slight or condescension. God Bless you.

EdFNJ 08-30-2020 03:42 PM

Still waiting for the original poster of this thread to login again after dropping his clickbait. Obviously there was more to it than the post.

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1825438)
I have noticed all kinds of painted driveway designs that no one seems to take offense to. Perhaps a large cross painted onto the driveway would be accepted by all of these "well the rule is the rule" types.

Because the "cross issue" has nothing to do with anything other than deed restrictions prohibiting lawn ornaments, that would likely be a good and acceptable idea which, if permitted under DR's would be fine.

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1825438)
There are a lot of hypocrites on here that espouse "rules are rules" that violate them in other ways every day.

Very true, but so what? That doesn't change the fact that a "law is a law" and a "rule is a rule" and "CONTRACT is a contract." Lot's of hypocrites follow strict rules and flaunt others. Ask Jerry Jr. and about 50% of the politicians out there. They do what they can get away with then if caught they pay the price for breaking the law/rule/contract. That doesn't mean everyone can.


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